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# they all had her
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:31, archived)
# haha--whatta troupe
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:35, archived)
# No, no, no
(yes!)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:37, archived)
# just had a look back my post earlier and cracked up at this reply
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:57, archived)
# Nora's never looked better. :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:33, archived)
# Needs more bill cosby
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:57, archived)
[challenge entry] poor owl
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:21, archived)
# ha ha ha priceless expression
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:22, archived)
# but paybacks are a muthafucker
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:22, archived)
# hahaha
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:31, archived)
#
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:53, archived)
#
poberta?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 18:06, archived)
[challenge entry] bad boy
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:06, archived)
# Two creepy animals rolled into one.
And I thought the Assassin Spider was scary.

budak.blogs.com/the_annotated_budak/images/assassin_spider.jpg

Best not to click on that if you hate long necked, massive jawed spiders.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:15, archived)
# hard to tell what's happening here but
something is dying, and that's a plus ;p
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:18, archived)
# Unfortunately not the assassin spider (thing on the left)
You can see the abdomen and thorax at the bottom of the picture, and a really long neck, with one of the mandibles resting against it, the other impaling a... thing.

At least that's my understanding of it.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:21, archived)
# they look awesome
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:24, archived)
# evolution is amazing
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:26, archived)
# ^This.
You know some experts reckon this is as far as humans are going to evolve, as we are building our world to suit us so well?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:31, archived)
# biologically, I assume you mean
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:35, archived)
# Biologically, yes.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:38, archived)
# So we're not all going the Wall-e route?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:40, archived)
# If what they've said is true (and I see no reason to quarrel with it)
then it is likely that our continued manipulation of the environment might put increased pressure on other species to survive, thereby triggering further evolution among them than might otherwise be the case.
(if that makes any sense)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:44, archived)
# I can see where you're coming from.
With all the deforestation and whatnot, animals, even as we speak, are evolving; maybe not physically but they are adapting to their ever-changing habitat.

I can see animals like pandas, who rely on us, becoming more... domesticated?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:47, archived)
# related to that
I'd like to see an image challenge re: animals/creatures evolving physically and/or behaviorally to compete in the human world. I suggested it but it didn't make the grade.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:52, archived)
# That'd be an excellent challenge for next week.
Lot of mileage in that one.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:15, archived)
# owl did you make that then?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:15, archived)
# basic headswap
that's owl
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:19, archived)
# yummy spiders - i bet they taste like soft-shelled crab

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:16, archived)
# I was told tarantula is a mix between chicken and fish.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:18, archived)
# i believe that. I bet they are tasty
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:20, archived)
# In a weird way I'd have to agree.
I bet they go down well with barbecue sauce.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:21, archived)
# sorry to threadjack, but had to show you lot this! gave the wife one! she quite liked it.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:16, archived)
# we've all given her one
at one time or another ;p
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:22, archived)
# always wondered why she was like a wizards sleeve
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:23, archived)
# many threads have focused on that very issue
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:27, archived)
# I haven't
Is that 8% man fat??
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:39, archived)
# let's broaden that to male fat
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:46, archived)
# *wraps newspaper*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:17, archived)
# no no no
escort him outside if you feel your health or property are at risk
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:19, archived)
# Glad someone else likes spiders
People who kill spiders invariably also complain about the various insects running unchecked about their homes.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:36, archived)
# I enjoy them all, as long as they don't crawl on me.
Flies -- I will try and usually succeed in opening the door to let them back out.

Ants are very helpful when my son comes to visit for the weekend. They carry off the crumbs and what-not that have fallen in those hard to reach areas.

Fortunately, I live in a clean multi-dwelling now, and have not had problems with anything in the roach family
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:47, archived)
# Pat Roach
one member of the Roach family with many problems www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Pad_PbkW8 (sweary NSFW)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:32, archived)
# better think that over--
I failed to put in a scale reference. It eats cities.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:25, archived)
# sorry for the Real Picture®
I saw this cute little guy when I was doing a cabling job at Home Depot.

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:29, archived)
# taste ok?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:31, archived)
# duuno. This one actually looked kinda dangerous to me.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:58, archived)
# rabid wolf spider I think
brown recluse are the ones you need to worry about in these parts
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:19, archived)
# is that cable 6 gauge or 16?
At first I thought it was a pencil, and thus he's only a little fella.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:35, archived)
# if this is a rabid wolf, and a female, it can be up to an inch in size
will bite if captured, but not considered harmful
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:41, archived)
# actually a 3-conductor 16 gauge extension cord


EDIT: and true, the cord is not much more than 125% the diameter of a pencil, so it is a bit small.

When it was in my mouth, the legs would only reach from the left molars to just about 1/2-way across my tongue
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 19:15, archived)
# As I thought, typical Home Depot garden extension cord
Small, but tasty!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 19:59, archived)
# shit, HA! I meant the spider was,,, ahh fuggit
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 20:36, archived)
# pfft, so did I
whatever, nevermind
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 20:49, archived)
# My other half has a pet Barn owl
and I want another Tarantula, but she keeps saying no, this is the perfect pet for us!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 18:22, archived)
# maybe genetic engineering can help you resolve this :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 18:43, archived)
[challenge entry] what's new about it?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:45, archived)
# i love it!
We used to call it 'flashlight tag' but I would love to relive those fun moments
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:46, archived)
# ranks right up there with cow tipping :D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:07, archived)
# whats the standard on that?
...15%
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:16, archived)
# I've misplaced the stats book, but I'll let you know
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:29, archived)
# So here is my tribute..
She went of the rails bit before that I quite liked her stuff.

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:31, archived)
# or this:
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:44, archived)
# hahaha
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:04, archived)
# at age 13
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:09, archived)
# So you're doing deathday VAG CREAMS as well?
This is quite lovely. Fans would approve.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:44, archived)
# It wa ment to be a complementry tribute to her
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 19:48, archived)
[challenge entry] Don't get him angry
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:08, archived)
# Excellently done :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:14, archived)
# Nice one...
Looks pissed off and ready to lash out
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:15, archived)
# *fears*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:16, archived)
# This is rather good.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:00, archived)
# He fucking loves that stick.
Nicely done.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:09, archived)
# very well done
* clicks
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:25, archived)
# ...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:02, archived)
# :D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:05, archived)
# yay
:~)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:09, archived)
# this is exactly why I refuse to eat the Braunschweiger
WOO!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:09, archived)
# Woo!
lovely.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:51, archived)
# hahahahahaa
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:48, archived)
# shame it wasn't Pete Doherty..
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:01, archived)
# Ahahahachrist
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:05, archived)
# Ooooooh hoo-hoo-hoo you deviant. :')
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:07, archived)
# Wow.
Just... Wow.

(Can I click this more than once?)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:09, archived)
# fucking hell
ace!

*click*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:09, archived)
# haha, it's almost inevitable
The only thing that has shocked me about her death is that she beat Pete Docherty to kicking the bucket
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:10, archived)
# Or maybe she didn't.
Just that nobody cares about Pete Doherty.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:24, archived)
# fuck 'er..she wanted to die at 27 and she got her wish.

no sympathy at all.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:32, archived)
# And in comparison to all those kids dead in Norway...
There really is no excuse, is there?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:42, archived)
#
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:33, archived)
# Number Outdated...
He's the crazy who keeps on giving really...

Seriously though, What the fuck is wrong with people? The news is rapidly shifting towards RIP Amy Winehouse, when there's 100+ dead Norwegians who should be the focus of attention (amongst other non-cult-of-celebrity news stories that should be covered)... I'm with Prodigy's comment on this one... She got what she wanted...

As to pic? Top Stuff Sir! More please!
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 0:02, archived)
# It is actually possible
to find both incidents sad and wasteful.
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 11:10, archived)
# I agree that they are both sad and wasteful...
However, the issue here is focus in the media, whilst each event in its own way is tragic, how can the death of a woman, who whilst she tried to seek help, did frequently refer to wanting to die like her idols, be compared to the unexpected and involuntary deaths of the kids and people in Norway?

Winehouse's Death was inevitable, she got what she expected. The people in Norway were just going about their daily business with no expectation of being shot and/or blown up!

Dead Celebrities (Unless they've done a great deal, for many years, to help the public cause) should be a news footnote, not the main focus when there are more important developments in the world to focus on...
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 14:03, archived)
# indeed
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:01, archived)
# Haha! Nice :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:12, archived)
# Yep!
clx... (am dreading the musical tributes that will surely come)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:17, archived)
# You rock
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:21, archived)
# Oof!
*click*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:22, archived)
# Hahaha!
Ooof! Harsh but fair!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:28, archived)
# Yow!
*clix*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:44, archived)
# hahahaha
today I need b3ta because the whole mawkish tortured artist bollocks is making me angry
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:03, archived)
# Tortured artist. Pff...
She's a drug riddled street rat who somehow managed to get a career in music.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:08, archived)
# Poster child for the drug fucked chav party-all-day-n-be-cool generation I always felt
same with Doherty, oxygen thieves living the dream.

In some ways glad it's ended this way to show the lifestyle's obvious failings as an aspiration.

Can't deny she had a damn fine voice when she was sober enough to use it tho, so there's some truth to the 'tortured artist' label.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:20, archived)
# ^This all over.
I know some great artists out there do or did drugs (for example, Kurt Cobain), but they didn't make it their defining characteristic, like the select few.

And being critical here, I didn't really like Winehouse's music that much, but I guess that's just me. But seeing it from a universal standpoint, I agree that she did have a good voice when she felt like actually making music.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:29, archived)
# ^this
several times over.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 20:25, archived)
# kurt kobain didnt make drugs a defining characteristic of his life?
your talking bollocks.
(, Tue 26 Jul 2011, 9:55, archived)
# You have mawkish tortured artist bollocks?
Consult a doctor.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:37, archived)
# i was gonna kill myself at 27
but playing mmos and smoking pot for 10 years didnt put me up there with the Kurt Cobains and the Jim Morrisons.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 15:40, archived)
# Hahahaha
Class (a)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:18, archived)
# hahaha
fantastic
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:20, archived)
# ha ha
wonderful tribute
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:31, archived)
# ha ha!
:)
 
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 16:53, archived)
# hahaha fuck!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:01, archived)
# Hahahahaha fucking hell
proper b3ta
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:43, archived)
# Outstanding
Well-deserved FP
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:52, archived)
# Marvelous
I congratulate you sir!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 18:09, archived)
# Oooof!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 18:18, archived)
# Fucking win.
WYHP+
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 18:59, archived)
# Superb! Absolutely superb!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 19:08, archived)
# :D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 21:04, archived)
# Crack-ing
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 22:15, archived)
# hahaha - that's just perfect.
visual (and verbal) jokery of the highest order...
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 0:39, archived)
# Hahahaha inspired!
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 12:58, archived)
# Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
:D
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 14:08, archived)
# Pixar are regretting using girl with wild red hair as the lead in their new film "Brave"


sorry it's shit, F1's just started :D
(http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1217209/)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:08, archived)
# Aft noon
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:47, archived)
# Ahahahah these are both great!
Edit: I love your signature HD :D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:16, archived)
# ha - more machine now than dog...
 
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:42, archived)
# ha ha!
I find your lack of pig ears disturbing
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:10, archived)
# Dog Vader has limited lightsabre skills though
:~)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:13, archived)
# :D
Woo
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 21:16, archived)
# Ancient repost but owl related.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:28, archived)
# I was waiting for you to plug that one again.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:30, archived)
# Through no volt of his own!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:33, archived)
#
Of course I used a US style outlet... not sure what the Euro ones look like anymore, but I remember getting a good shock out of one in France 40 years ago.

The effect still lingers.. Ah oui oui oui.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:35, archived)
# Euro ones are sort of round pins in a similar arrangement to US ones.
Something I found out the hard way when, in a moment of weakness, I brought Euro ones to NY with me.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:40, archived)
# He's very switched on
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:55, archived)
# He's got the power!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:12, archived)
# aye yi yi!
That hertz
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:11, archived)
# socket to em !
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:48, archived)
# A power owltlet?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:25, archived)
# My eyes are failing.
This owl's whole body looks grilled.

...or maybe I'm just hungry
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:16, archived)
# a/c he has the face of a mains socket. prehaps it's just a phase he's going through!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:36, archived)
# oh geez
i don't have a spanging pan big and heavy enough so I have sent Arnold out to find one
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 14:43, archived)
# Tara ya daft bint...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:24, archived)
#
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:17, archived)
# Hahahaha! :D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:20, archived)
# hahaha what?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:27, archived)
# ha
nice
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:38, archived)
# very nicely done. Took me a while to recognise the scene though...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:53, archived)
# Any chance you could tell us?
Not for me of course, I know, I just want to see if you know... *Shifty Eyes*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:41, archived)
# hahahahaha
*click*
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:56, archived)
# random trivia
he broke his foot filming that shot
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:24, archived)
# Hahaha
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:34, archived)
# This is excellent
and the burning pile of corpses reminds me of summers playing footie down the local rec in Watford.
 '
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:41, archived)
[challenge entry] Thanks to Wobbly Bloke (and Lila Lee) for inadvertantly putting the idea in my head

I admit the 'shopping is a little Q+D but it's not often you get to make a Linnean name joke.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:55, archived)
# Ha ha ha - You loon...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:28, archived)
# Hoo-hoo-he-hoo.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:28, archived)
# Well I'll risk it.
I made some arts tonight.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:43, archived)
# yay, arts!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:45, archived)
# Here's some more, I'm on fire and shit.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:09, archived)
# Sigmund Freud would have a field day with you. XD
Seriously though, nice work :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:13, archived)
# My GF agrees.
:)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:16, archived)
# Scary nipples! In return, have a woman with a suspicious object in her hand.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:38, archived)
# She's
Gonna' reach out and grab ya.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:50, archived)
# Is it an Owl?
Or a Rabbit?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 12:31, archived)
# Tit eyes and folded arms
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:45, archived)
# Oof!
Gold star. Ten points!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:59, archived)
# Do you often have thoughts of flying cocks?
Nice doodling :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:57, archived)
# Welcome to b3ta.
Pull up a kitten and shop a chair.

:D


Oh, and thank you.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 11:11, archived)
# 40 metres underground next to a river with things falling from the ceiling and the step is the last thing you worry about
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:34, archived)
# NING PAUL_P!
Are you still there and is this a continuation of last weeks river under Bradford?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:35, archived)
# This is a mine under derbyshire
Ning WB, not been on much due to work :(
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:36, archived)
# NINGB3TA!
A couple of suggestions again yesterday...
RedHouse asked for Summer Glau, so I started researching her yesterday. Following that, a couple of face with "character", Ruth Buzzi and Gallagher.

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 8:35, archived)
# ^ Ha ha ha, lols, etc.. (Should I change the order of these?)
Kitty Fantastico also asked for Emil Jannings or Charisma Carpenter if its not too late.:)
* It's never too late...



I have also noticed that it is Lynda Carters birthday today. This is one I did a while ago...

Click for full size
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 8:35, archived)
# Thank you!
It was a Saturday so I forgot what the date was, somehow. Those are ace.

D.B. Woodside for tomorrow, please.:)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 9:24, archived)
# D.B. Wouldn't-side
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 9:56, archived)
# Woo LyndaCarter:D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 9:59, archived)
# She appears to have a limp?
(unlike me now)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:10, archived)
# shes sprained her ankle:(
off to easton farm park bye:D
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:34, archived)
# Woo
"Hug a Bunny" for me...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:36, archived)
# hug a bunny
hi i am hermans daughter and i hugged 2 bunnys one was black and one was white bye wobbly bloke why is you name wobbly bloke do you drink beer like my dad.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 21:22, archived)
# o_o
Yes.. Yes that is why...
(, Mon 25 Jul 2011, 6:12, archived)
# Ning Wobbly et al :)
For tomorrow, may I request:
Lila Lee
Woody Strode
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:00, archived)
# She is cute... She looks a bit like Betty Boo!

♫ BooBoBeDoo...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:11, archived)
# Woody Strode! Excellent choice!
I'll have Chloe Annett, and since you're doing in memoriams now, John Schlesinger.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:12, archived)
# Wonder Woman is wondrous
as is Gallagher (no, he's neither of the Oasis cunts). Too bad the pistol wasn't aimed at his melon.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:15, archived)
# I have to get on with Sunday now....
Last two for now: Happy Birthday Sheila Florance and Sydney Bromley.

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:34, archived)
# Today's draw is...

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 8:21, archived)
# Dude.
Sweet.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 8:49, archived)
# Very nice...
Wobbly and his friend say Hello...

(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 9:11, archived)
# Hehe, thanks Wobbly and Wobbly's mate!
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:14, archived)
# That's very well done. I like your drawings :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:40, archived)
# Thanks Prequal :)
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 10:44, archived)
#
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 6:37, archived)
# Is that Amy Winehouse there on the left?
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 7:44, archived)
# not funny
goodbye
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 9:09, archived)
# Breathtaking bad taste.
Well done.
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 13:34, archived)
# Funny
Goodbye, not
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 17:20, archived)
# remodeling our bathroom
check out my plumbing...
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 4:51, archived)
# That's some nifty poo-juggling
nifty niffy
(, Sun 24 Jul 2011, 8:12, archived)

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