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This is a link post Quilting for Johnny Depp :D
Thought this was very sweet.
An online mass of female Johnny Depp fans each made a square, sent it to the organiser who sewed them all together and fashioned a quilt for him.
Even more lully is the thank-you note he sent back.

*Faith in humanity: restored*
 (I helped save b3ta! the_log_knows ..to pay cheeses, to the leopards in your head, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Aw bless...
Although the cynic in me thinks that there is probably a restraining order featuring those signatures in effect, but nice internets, nice.
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:15, Reply)
This is a normal post theres
a lot of adjectives in his letter... the sentences are a little long.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 16:35, Reply)
This is a normal post C - Must try harder.
See me.
 (Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 17:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Always
thought he seemed like a good egg!
 (I helped save b3ta! Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 17:55, Reply)
This is a link post haha, image title
I have always wondered about Jakob Neilsons tips...
 (uncle scam, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:29, Reply)
This is a link post A little light relief from the Budget
The new series of 'Clue' started last night on Radio 4. For all of you who missed it, here it is.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Sausages!

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Yaaaaaay :D
Perfect afternoon listening.
 (I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:30, Reply)
This is a normal post They should have made VAT 19.99% Have they learned nothing from Currys?
20% just seems way more than 17.5% and it's easier to work out.

I wonder if more things are going to try to be classed as food now. How about edible DVD cases?
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha! Or they could take a lesson from all those sofa adverts...
and set VAT to 40%, accept 'for this week ONLY!' when VAT is 50% off!

Then everyone would go to the shops thinking they're getting great deal, only for the exact same offer the next week!

Are those sofas ever full price?
 (I helped save b3ta! guffguff fuckes your gradeds balls!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post BUY NOW AND PAY NOTHING UNTIL 2011!!

(I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:01, Reply)
This is a link post Brian Blessed's battle cry for England!
Apologies just noticed this has already been posted, should I delete it?
 (Sneak Thief, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Purple link is purple...

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Look down the page a bit.

(Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:01, Reply)
This is a normal post
Yeah I just clocked it mate, soz about that.
 (Sneak Thief, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, well - since it's a duff thread...
... I may as well pimp my image challenge suggestion:
www.b3ta.com/questions/imagechallenge/post763382
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Pushchairs with ashtrays...

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:25, Reply)
This is a normal post :D

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Gold-Chain Detangler?
Eazee-Fit Gold Teeth?
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 17:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Higher cigerette and alcohol taxes
oh wait....
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:53, Reply)
This is a link post I did a remix and video for Dan Bull's 'After Life' I made this!
Shameless spammy pearoast because it got no love last night.
(I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:42, Reply)
This is a normal post
*sigh*

Nobody loves me.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 17:23, Reply)
This is a normal post hehe made me chuckle
...but you really should eat a little bit more!
 (I helped save b3ta! Bobod Perpetually following through, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 17:34, Reply)
This is a link post Visualise the budget as it cuts into the deficit
Pretty interesting stuff.
 (I helped save b3ta! Nostrebor can't be everything all the time., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:23, Reply)
This is a normal post £3bn on banks and capital gains?
Equalling £48bn out of everyone's pockets?

M****rf****r.
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:31, Reply)
This is a normal post I'll have to check but I don't think I even have £48bn in my pockets.

(Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:34, Reply)
This is a normal post I just spent my last £50bn on a pint of milk and a loaf of bread...
/Zimbabwe
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post
Zimbabwe Waitrose
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:38, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
but they do use superior wheat and cows.....dont they?
 (I helped save b3ta! Dr Drink, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:40, Reply)
This is a normal post You need bigger pockets.

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:38, Reply)
This is a normal post At the risk of being unpopular...
...put up the bank levy much further and all the big boys (JP Morgan, Citi, Credit Suisse etc) will just leave the UK. They really don't need to be here, and half their London staff aren't British anyway.

And the poor showing from CGT is due to the fact it's just phenomenally ineffective. The truly rich and big corporations hire clever accountants and lawyers to pay virtually none, so it's only the kind of upper middle class speculators who pay it. And there aren't that many of them playing with a lot of money...

VAT is indefensible philosophically, but one of the easiest taxes to actually generate money with.
 (I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:38, Reply)
This is a normal post a very fair point
lots of the big banks will be eyeing Singapore and Hong Kong if the UK taxes get too large.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dr Drink, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Will they though?
Where would they go? Most other developed places have already hiked up their taxes, and they need to be based somewhere connected and central in order to function. Plus London is on the meridian, which makes time keeping and all that way simpler...

I'm not saying that it's an empty threat, just that we should properly assess this risk rather than just accepting the blithe threat that they would all just piss off and take all their non-dom directors with them.
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Alaska?

(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Nah don't bother - she never knows anyhow.

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:58, Reply)
This is a normal post London on the meridian...
... makes not the slightest difference.

The obvious answer to your question is Switzerland, specifically Geneva and Zurich.

That's a very real, obvious threat. Well developed, big finance centre already, low crime, low tax, good flights to everywhere.

And would they? Well to some extent many have effectively. When banks were making redundancies in their global teams, they hacked hardest where taxes dictated. The point is that when they next hire, we'd like some of it to be here...
 (I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:28, Reply)
This is a normal post This is very interesting.
It seems globalisation* has allowed megabanks to commoditise nations: if nation A does not bend over, the megabanks will simply move to nation B.

If these megabanks were doing something criminal, citizens of all nations would demand cooperation (something like Interpol) to prevent these banks just changing nation to avoid justice. But as it's not criminal, nations are doing the opposite: competing to attract these banks, and at least earn some tax rather than none.

With crime, it's a pretty easy mental leap from small scale examples in our personal experience (eg. getting mugged) to demanding that our governments take large-scale action (eg. Interpol, sanctions against states harbouring terrorists, etc), cooperating between nations.

It won't be anything like so easy to get the whole world to agree on what is a just contribution -- ie. a just level of taxation -- that should be taken from the profits of banks (who trade on society's commerce), and given to the (elected governments of the) billions of ordinary people who actually constitute that society and that commerce.

(* "globalisation": I mean reduced barriers to international trade and finance, making it even easier for megabanks to switch from nation A to a higher bidder).

Caveat lector: I probably don't know what I'm talking about, as though that wasn't obvious.
 (I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:56, Reply)
This is a normal post I think you made a good point well.
Yes, banks are not "misty eyed" about their responsibility to Britain - and most of them are not British, so why should they really?

It's what used to happen on a national scale (let's move our Head Office to Milton Keynes to save rent) but happening on a global scale.

But I think we should remember the reason they do this: it's their job. The people who run big companies are responsible, BY LAW, to shareholders. And actually quite often that IS us, through pension funds etc. If they can see a way to legally reduce overheads and pay increased dividends to shareholders, they have a moral responsibility to do so.

The inequitable thing about these global businesses in many ways is the fact that most of them pay most of the tax they do pay in countries that need it least (here, the US etc).
 (I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:36, Reply)
This is a normal post I agree blame does not rest with the individuals in the banks.
If everyone thinks such flight from tax is bad, the proper mechanism to prevent it is to enact new law.

Pessimistically, I don't see that happening. It's unstable: there's too large a reward for being a defector nation. (Nation X decides to relax its bank taxes, and sees an influx of bank trade).

It's prisoners' dilemma / tragedy of the commons territory. To overcome that, it takes a really simple, powerful, personal mental image to get everyone to cooperate, and to effectively shun defectors. Perhaps one day.
 (I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Aha ha ha. Perhaps today!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHV4qy6CEXTPufLxX7emismvbp3QD9GGCV1O0 -- "Germany, France, UK commit to bank tax"
 (I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 16:41, Reply)
This is a normal post why is "cut defence to EU average"
unthinkable?
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:43, Reply)
This is a normal post 'cos way more people hate us than the rest of Europe.

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:46, Reply)
This is a normal post ok
and you don't think you'll have enough bullets or bombs for the people you believe hate you if you lower military spending a bit?

strikes me as a very american way of thinking
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Sorry - forgot the "satire" tags.

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:00, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
sorry

silly me :)
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Not that WE think it's unthinkable, but that the toffs in suits think that it is
partially because Britain is one of the biggest weapons manufacturers in the world, and partially because all the MP's fathers got rich in the arms business. They'd never cut it, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot, to pun.
 (I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:48, Reply)
This is a normal post ah
righto
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:50, Reply)
This is a normal post because then the arms industry would lose some profits.

(I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I suspect also
that there is a world of bad publicity involved with soldiers losing jobs or getting cut pay. The Daily Mail will literally eat its own face.
 (I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Here is an interesting Grauniad article
It puts military budgets of different countries into better perspective (I'm not saying I support the spending, just thought it was interesting)

www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/apr/01/information-is-beautiful-military-spending
 (I helped save b3ta! Herman Blume is unique, just like everyone else, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Whoa that's ace, cheers.

(I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Because we'll all look silly when Belgium invades us.

(I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:39, Reply)
This is a link post Brian Blessed's Battle Cry For England
If you liked that, this is Des Lynam reciting Rudyard Kipling's "If" www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjuihw2q_Ts

EDIT: Thanks to Darklord for This
 (nospoon The Olympigs would have been more entertaining., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:17, Reply)
This is a normal post
*needs more shouting*
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Could Some Kind Soul

Rip this video and post it up somewhere where I can see it? BBC doesn't let me watch it. They think I'm a filthy Australian convict.

Cheers
 (I helped save b3ta! Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:25, Reply)
This is a normal post you might be able to use a proxy to see it

(I helped save b3ta! weaver., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post I've yet to find a proxy that works for my friends outside the UK with BBC iPlayer
So try This instead
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Thank You

You're a very nice man....

Cheers
 (I helped save b3ta! Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Try.
Lamnia

Worked for me in the Caribbean, works for me in Spain.

Works with BBC and Sky Player.

P.s. Also works with XBOX Live if you share the connection from your pc.

P.p.s. I don't work for Lamnia.
 (I helped save b3ta! Gregor Lenko There's a tree..., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:16, Reply)
This is a link post Timely little factlet as Osbourne launches us into the Age of Austerity.
"The coalition government says we are all in this together. A one-litre Merlot wine box at Asda costs £10. They know what they have to do. They should sell the government wine cellar."
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:14, Reply)
This is a normal post This won't surprise anyone.
All they do is make themselves and their mates rich!*









*steps off soapbox
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:18, Reply)
This is a link post Was looking for a Spinning Cat but came accross this,
glass cock says no!
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Hee hee!
I love it when cats has that pissed off look on their face :-D
 (I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:56, Reply)
This is a normal post A dog would never do that*

* Dogs in fact may and frequently do do ^ this
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:33, Reply)
This is a normal post What a lot of hassle
A sharp whack with a hammer would have sorted that out much quicker.
 (fridgefreezer inserted a topical reference into his sig on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:24, Reply)
This is a link post You be the chancellor
you decide what the cuts the Govt should make it today's emergency budget

On my first gut feel, I achieved £75.7bn - that means an extra £1.7bn to spend on beer and chips!
 (I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Dear george...
Just cut tax loopholes.

You're welcome...
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:38, Reply)
This is a normal post ^
this
 (I helped save b3ta! flapmeister knows where your mum lives, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:51, Reply)
This is a normal post I may be an idiot
but I don't see a problem in raising VAT to a European standard, perhaps even going the way of the Scandinavians and hitting the big 25%

It's really hard to take into account the subtleties of things like reducing public order, defence and the NHS, and especially the last one "other". I managed to save £28.2 billion on "other" alone.

25% VAT generates 36 billion smackaroonies.
 (I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I went for 20%
if you don't want something - then don't buy it - it sounds daft but many things are too cheap at the moment. Products that are overpriced anyway will be reduced in price to make up for the vat increase
 (I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Also with VAT
I believe that the bare essentials, like food and baby type items are VAT free and therefore a raise in VAT only affects the "luxury" items (and ahem, businesses).
 (I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:51, Reply)
This is a normal post chocolate hobnobs are luxury items

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:56, Reply)
This is a normal post luxury items like gas, electric, petrol and clothes

(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:02, Reply)
This is a normal post VAT applies to most business costs
So when VAT goes up, so does your food. Even though its VAT-exempt.

Besides which, Georgy Boy has just raised VAT to 20%
 (I helped save b3ta! Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I suspected as much
hence the brackets... but still less of an impact hopefully than other cutbacks. For example the 15% to 17.5% affected me and my business marginally at best..
 (I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:43, Reply)
This is a normal post and 20% it is! (from Jan.)

(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I should so be the chancellor and that

(I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Slightly off topic...
...but last week, did tory mp Eric Pickles tell councils to stop saving money with fortnightly bin collections?

Is it just me, or is once a fortnight perfectly adequate for the bins we have (your mileage may vary - I have a blue wheelie bin for recyclables, a green one for compostable waste and a black bin for 'other')

Shouldn't councils be saving money any way they can?
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:47, Reply)
This is a normal post we have one bin
as our garden is about 8 feet square. I don't want rotten refuse that close to my house for a fortnight, bagged up or not.
 (dieselmonkey, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:52, Reply)
This is a normal post I could happily do twice weekly
as long as they did the recyclables every week
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:02, Reply)
This is a normal post This.
I have a compost heap, and recycle paper, bottles, cartons and cans. (Manchester City Council is reasonable about recycling.)

I have my wheelie bin emptied about once every two months, and it's only about half-full even then.

My neighbours manage to have theirs overflowing every week. I genuinely don't know how they manage it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:03, Reply)
This is a normal post plastic bottles full of air I expect

(I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:04, Reply)
This is a normal post I suspect endless ready-meals.
I live in quite a poor area - and yet the MASSIVE Tesco down the road is stacked to the rafters with plastic food.

Result? The people around me end up spending unnecessarily large amounts of money that they don't have on food that leaves them obese yet malnourished. Yes, I do count obesity as malnutrition.

(On a similar topic: I noticed the other day that Tesco sells special hubcap-cleaning fluid, and - and I could barely believe this - special dashboard polish. Really, you have to admire their genius for squeezing money out of chavs.)
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:10, Reply)
This is a normal post welll
hubcap cleaner is specially formulated to dissolve brake lining dust and dashboard cleaner is the only liquid on earth that smells like lemons
 (I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:16, Reply)
This is a normal post ...
*searches*
*fails to find flaw in this account*
*emulates*
*profits from chavs*
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:20, Reply)
This is a normal post @Griffy: Lemon juice
/tesco marketing board
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:23, Reply)
This is a normal post hehe
Every Belittle Helps
 (I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Ooooh
This sounds like a potential image challenge...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:58, Reply)
This is a normal post it doesn;t matter how often it is collected
the same amount is produced.

In my area, recyclables tend to get collected weekly and the rest fortnightly
 (I helped save b3ta! Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:03, Reply)
This is a normal post That does not
give me the option to cut local govt high earners pay, MPs expenses, over cost not wanted and poorly performing govt IT projects etc
 (Baj does Minecraft - http://www.youtube.com/w92baj, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:10, Reply)
This is a normal post You can only cut 20-0dd percent from the forces.
I'd cut a lot more.

The UK is no longer a world power, and should stop pretending to be one. What it is very good at is providing special-forces type support. Were it down to me, I'd cut a large chunk of the Army, and significant bits of the RAF and Navy, on the basis that they're just not necessary for the foreseeable future: the UK won't be fighting any defensive territorial wars for at least half a century, and possibly ever again.

I'd also cut all nuclear weapons, and give up the UN Security Council seat. Canada and Germany seem to do perfectly well without either.

What it can, and ought to, do is concentrate on small, acute operations, and on cyberwarfare.

You don't need many people for that.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:16, Reply)
This is a normal post cyberwarfare is the way forward
no expenses in travel as they all work from their Mum's basement, and all it costs is a monthly World of warcraft subscription per operative
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Seriously.
Territorial warfare is basically economic warfare by other means. But it's an inefficient method.

The future will be all about disabling infrastructure without damaging it, and in a manner that can be repaired in a matter of hours rather than decades.

I appear to be turning into Jean Baudrillard...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post that's if the chemtrails don't get us all first ;)

(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Fair point.
Still, it's OK. Computers can't breathe.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post What do you think
the publicity will be like for the presiding government who cuts that level of forces. Can you imagine the red-tops?
 (I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't care.
:)

EDIT FOR ELABORATION: I don't see any moral reason why government policy should have to have anything to do with popular sentiment. Of course, it'd be nice if the population supported a good policy - but it strikes me as being more important that it's a good policy to begin with.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:42, Reply)
This is a normal post I believe a number of governments have followed this approach...
...and are not always viewed kindly in hindsight - or indeed at the time.

Democracy may be ****ed up, but it's less ****ed up than someone deciding they know best, and then not bothering to convince everyone else.
 (I helped save b3ta! prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:21, Reply)
This is a normal post not going to change anytime soon
as you say, we should reduce the amount of spending on the forces, and some of the big defense projects. I mean the eurofighter, who are we going to use those against that we haven't already got treaties with, or can overpower with our existing ones, as well as the trident replacement.

however, i reckon that we'll continue to have a large ground based army, not only for political muscle and existing agreements on Afghanistan and Iraq, and our "special" relationship with the US, but for the future, especially Argentina, now that they've found oil offshore.

As you say, we should be funnelling money not only into cyberwarfare (especially with the number of attacks from China), but also into drones, since that will allow us to reduce costs if we're going to continue in pointless wars.
 (I helped save b3ta! flapmeister knows where your mum lives, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I disagree about the army.
You don't need a large army: you need a disproportionately well-trained and equipped one. I take your point about the Malvinas - but there's NATO and the UN to act as policeman there (assuming you think they ought to be British anyway, and assuming you think it'd make any difference at all in the long run) - and the WHO.

With peak oil on the horizon, there'll be a big shift away from petrochemical resources around the world; and when that happens, noone'll be fighting over oil wells anyway. It simply wouldn't be worth it.

Besides: if there ever was a serious threat to the UK's integrity, and assuming you give a toss about that, conventional re-armament'd be quite easy within a few years.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 16:19, Reply)
This is a link post A Spinning Dog
Yay!
(I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Yay!

(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:56, Reply)
This is a normal post That's not a dog
It's a RAT
 (I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:00, Reply)
This is a normal post This^

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post
Doing that, is like cocaine for the dog!
; )
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:05, Reply)
This is a normal post imagine what would happen
if it caught it arse
 (blattermaus gwapple me gwapenuts, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:23, Reply)
This is a normal post dogs>cats
inevitable spin off;
tubedubber.com/#Ljrv979j7tw:zJv5qLsLYoo:0:100:0:0:true
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:29, Reply)
This is a link post This kind of debate infuriates me...
not the topic, but the total biased nature of it. One token Atheist against a room of believers. Never lets a word in edge ways and laughed at at any opportunity. It just turns into a 'mmm, mmm, explain THAT Mr Scientist'... 'ok, here goes'. 'There is no way you can explain that', 'well, give us a cha...' 'HA stupid, you cant can you' kinda debate.

Is there evidence of any God? Is there any evidence of rationality at the BBC more like.

Rant over, time for a cuppa...

part 2 here
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:02, Reply)
This is a normal post God is LOVE*
God is REAL, he made the internets!
And he Loves you (but not in a shirt lifting way)








*and I need to lay off the love drugs, in the mornings
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:07, Reply)
This is a normal post He loved me this morning as a matter of fact.
I seem to have a sore arse...
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't worry
He'll forgive your sore arse, he forgives everyone
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Me too..
... my trousers were on the wrong way when I woke up
 (I helped save b3ta! -Zuchini- (The artist formally known as dEADfISH), Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:48, Reply)
This is a normal post ...and God hates tacky statues of his family
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10321466.stm
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This is a normal post
"God is LOVE*
God is REAL, he made the internets!
And he Loves you (but not in a shirt lifting way)"

No! No! No!

God is a cunt!
 (Hauptman Von Butter Kasse You are all a bunch of mincing pansies, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 18:52, Reply)
This is a normal post i lasted a minute
that smug twat at the start talking shite was enough for me. utter wanker talking utter shite.
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:09, Reply)
This is a normal post You ought to try part 2,
I almost punched the screen...
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:10, Reply)
This is a normal post I was invited to be a panellist on that programme about 18 months ago.
They were going to be talking about assisted dying and euthanasia, and found my name - the topic is among my research interests. Apparently, the Archbishop of Canterbury was going to be another panellist.

The researcher rang up and asked me some questions to see if I would have something interesting to say. We chatted for about half an hour, and it seemed to go well.

At the end of our conversation, she said, "That sounds great - exactly the sort of thing we need. Now, the problem is, we'll be filming in Southampton, and that's quite a long way from Manchester. So do you know of anyone further south who'd be willing to make the same kind of point?"


I lasted 4 seconds for this clip, btw...

EDIT: GAH! I watched some! I've seen Adam Deen speak. He's an idiot. The fact that he describes himself as a philosopher here makes my blood boil. Mr Deen: a philosopher - like a scientist - is someone who starts with questions, not with answers. ergo, you are not a philosopher.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:14, Reply)
This is a normal post That just sums the whole thing up...
I think I still would have made it, and just tutted all the way through it :-)
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I'd love to have gone.
Were it a matter of the expense, I'd've stood that happily - or, at least, charged it to my employer. The problem was that the invitation was withdrawn.

:(
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Bummer...
I just think it was there way of saying 'you are far too intelligent for this program'.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:25, Reply)
This is a normal post what would you have said if asked about assisted dying?
how would you have coped with all the religious nutters and stayed calm?
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Potted account:
I have no problem with euthanasia or AD - though I do have problems with the way a lot of the laws about it are framed.

I think Lord Joffe's Assisted Dying for the Terminally Ill Bill was fatally flawed (badum-tish!) - he told me himself that he kind of agrees - and the current bill in Scotland, by setting a lower limit at 16, is unjustifiably ageist. I told them that in my written evidence to their current enquiry - let's see how far that goes...

EDIT: as for the staying calm - well, I'd have managed that. Even if I say so myself, I'm quite good at flattening people in argument with a smile on my face...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Thank the lord for people like you...
D'oh!
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Flippin' well said!
.
 (I helped save b3ta! sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:37, Reply)
This is a normal post The thing is with 'debating' religion
..with believers is that you just cannot win. They have nothing to go on, so they rest back on faith, and the fact that they dont HAVE to prove a damn thing through science. By resting on the faith argument, and essentially saying 'you just have to believe me', then they are above even debate, which makes them impossible to debate with.

Fuck em.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:07, Reply)
This is a normal post gawd dont watch!!!
There is no point arguing with believers, they have their heads in a wooly safe place akin to putting their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and shouting "LALALALALALALA" while you try to talk to them.
 (EvilMeister, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I agree,
but there are a few quality facepalm moments :-)
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:18, Reply)
This is a normal post
I lasted up to 01:18 when my eye-balls started to roll around of their own accord and I began smearing my monitor with bogies.
Wouldn't it be great for someone to quote old Douglas Adams (gawd rest 'im) when he said something along the lines of "proof of God's existence would mean the redundancy of faith (when faced with the existance of the Babel Fish), without which God wouldn't exist". God pondered this for a nano-second before disappearing in a puff of logic.
I hate these self-satisfied pharasaical toss-pots. Can't you be sent to hell for being a smug show-off? Probably.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:20, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm sure you can be sent to hell for being an Atheist!!
*converts*

Nice Adams quote btw :-)
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:24, Reply)
This is a normal post When I went to listen to this Deen fella...
... the first question from the audience was about whether non-Muslims would automatically go to Hell.

He said no: only those who were aware of Islam and didn't accept it would go there. Those who had been born before Islam, or who had never been exposed to it, would be treated mercifully (!).

The questioner was genuinely disappointed by this fact. It was a really strange experience.

(It was also strange that, at a public lecture on University grounds, they still insisted on segregating the men and women...)
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:29, Reply)
This is a normal post I went to the Science museum last year with a friend.
In a corner, on its own was a Euthanasia machine. I got a stunned luck from her when I said 'ah, every home should have one'. I prolly shouldnt have said it so load. Museums are quiet places.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:35, Reply)
This is a normal post
At school, I remember being told by our teachers to find out more about Youth In Asia. Never having heard the word 'euthanasia' before, I handed in a good piece about kids in India and was rewarded with a "you-smug-little-shit" look from my teacher. I was honestly dumbfounded.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Its like when a teacher told me I had to use the word urinate for politeness,
so the next day I said 'urinate miss, but if your tits were bigger you'd be a 10'.*

may be a lie.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:56, Reply)
This is a normal post I searched for the words 'youth in Asia'
and am amused to see your good self with this from a few years back.
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This is a normal post i'm fairly shure Jesus berates the pharasees for showing off their
knowledge without any actions. they talk the talk but don't wlk the walk. like most religious hypocrites.
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This is a normal post
Yes, i used the word 'pharasaical' in the "holier-than-thou" context of the word. Sorry for any confusion.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:46, Reply)
This is a normal post This pro-religious propaganda
should not be allowed on telly. They have debates like 'does the NHS work?'. People stick their hands up and say 'Oh, if people believed in God they wouldnt get drunk and have to go to hospital'. Nobody was talking about God, they were talking about the NHS. Every question gets religion shoe-horned into it despite having no relevance.

This debate shows exactly how this show works. Sit a scientist down and throw a bunch of god-bashers at him. Why ois this program allowed? It's biased. I would argue that it goes against our British principals of tolerance. After all, Christianity supposes that all non-believers and subscribers to other religions are going to hell.

09:05 "Tell us about love". I have never wanted to kick someones protuding chin off their fucking head so fucking much in my cunting life.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:21, Reply)
This is a normal post See,
and he was going to humour her, but wasnt aloud too...

I think you are right too, it should not be allowed to be on telly. There are/were some great religious programming this year (the history of the bible, the history of christianity) all very well balanced (apart from Anne Widdecombe, who is as batty as Mr McBat winning the battiest bat competition at Battington) and a joy to watch.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, but isn't there a big difference between programmes about religion -
which can be done well - and religious programmes?

(It's analogous to the difference between rock music made by Christians, and Christian rock. The former stands at least a chance of not sucking - although, admittedly, the existence of Good Charlotte, Sixpence None the Richer and Feeder count against that claim...)
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This is a normal post Yes, that is true,
and kinda my point before I got distracted by a shiny thing...
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:46, Reply)
This is a normal post but..
..why is it even assumed that the religious opinion should have its voice on tv at all? Why is it deemed important enough to have it's own slot? I dont see a pro-muslim hour, or a a pro-hindu show, or a program to promote the idea that lemonade is a cure for aids, or some such other nonsense that is plucked from thin air.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:36, Reply)
This is a normal post This is true,
bit as much as I am a Dawkins grade atheist, I believe that religion has had a big hand in how the world has been shaped. I find churches and cathedrals breath taking, and also have the viewpoint that I must understand something before I believe/not believe it. I also find how and why people believe things interesting also. Just a me thing I s'pose :-)
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:41, Reply)
This is a normal post ...
Cue endless stream of none-too-bright people going, "But atheism's just a religion, too"...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:50, Reply)
This is a normal post I had that debate at work...
kinda. I made a similar comment about churches and such, now she thinks I am a closet believer, and is going to buy me a cross for my birthday.

(I know what you meant btw:-)
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:55, Reply)
This is a normal post When I go into cathedrals and such I understand why people would believe
in ye olde times.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Unofrtunatley
The BBC are honor bound to broadcast pro-religion propoganda
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:05, Reply)
This is a normal post They are all shit
except for the proffessor guy, but he isn't enough to keep me watching cos I heard it all before.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:33, Reply)
This is a normal post I thought the room was segregated,
believers one side, non-believers the other. Agnostics in the middle, and one panelist to represent each section...

I was wrong...
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Those that hold onto 1 peice of information
are blind to the truth.
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:37, Reply)
This is a normal post retards
this stuff shouldn't be posted on here.. its distracting from the real world...
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Soz,
have some emergency kittens...
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:43, Reply)
This is a normal post thats better!
but i bet if those little dudes could talk 4 of them would ask you to explain "Skweeeee" if there was no god!
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:46, Reply)
This is a normal post I was athagnostic
Or however you spell it, fuck religion god abandond me in my times of need. and don't get me started on all that relgious tripe.

Edit: rant mode
Christianity, was a member of the C of E, can't abide being a christian anymore. Evangelicalists can fuck right off. Islam, if i don't believe in your relgion i'm going to hell? fuck off. they can all fuck off too with their medeival religion. Buddism, Chill out? yes please but its not my cup of tea. Judasim, as bad as christinaity. 'Druidic cults' yes you are so new aged, go back to smoking your weed hippy. and to any other religion, Shut up and fuck off.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dances with Rabbits Back to Education i go, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:42, Reply)
This is a normal post I admire you for letting go :-)
Most people would have said 'well, I suppose it wasnt my turn for god to be kind to me'.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:47, Reply)
This is a normal post the stuff i've gone through
A non religious person would have turned religious O.o

And i had an evangelical girlfriend who would mention the church almost all the time... never again (but she did have some massive tits)
 (I helped save b3ta! Dances with Rabbits Back to Education i go, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Thank God
for MASSIVE tits
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:07, Reply)
This is a normal post
Me again. Just been onto the blog of Adam Deen (the smug, sanctimonious punchbag in the first bit) and he's a man with some very strong views that he's more than happy to share. adamdeen.blogspot.com/2008/05/next-stop-muslim-homosexuality.html

The quiet religious people are OK (my nan etc). It's the ones who shove it right down your throat, think they know what 'God' was thinking when he neglected to mention dinosaurs in the bible and don't tolerate other people's views that really get on my tits.

Whoever mentioned "kicking the chin of someone's face" is talking my language.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I shall check it out,
really need a cup of tea and a quick go on red dead before the missus comes back...
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Like I said above:
Deen is an idiot, and oughtn't to call himself a philosopher.

A philosopher starts with questions, not with answers.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:53, Reply)
This is a normal post
In a tiny sentence you have done two things. Described a philosopher and rubbished Mr Deen's smug, shit-munching face. Awesome.
Notice how he looked up into the air when he was talking. That just made him look even more like a deranged lunatic. And his eyes are too close together.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:02, Reply)
This is a normal post I was wondering how long I'd have to read before he'd compared being gay to paedophilia.
*Ker-ching!*
[edit]: Also, amazingly he writes "If the Muslims don’t have a dedicated support network to facilitate this matter [curing homosexuality]"- can you imagine that? "Iman, I am fighting gay feelings." "That's okay, we have a dedicated support network" *pause* "BRING OUT THE SHARPENED STONES!"
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:31, Reply)
This is a normal post looks like daytime tv, what do you expect
They're hardly going to spend a great deal of time doing the research and getting a balanced audience for a 20 minute filler slot inbetween trisha and jeremy kyle.

It's obviously completely biased, and the one poor bastard with any reasoning hasn't the chance and/or the oratory skills to deal with the baying mob surrounding him (I imagine he would have been furious afterwards at being almost ridiculed like that).

I suspect next week they'll be trying to work out the cure for cancer in 20 minutes as well. Plus I imagine the producer of the show moonlights as an editor for one of those weekly mags that feature stories about people giving birth to their own mums, falling in love with their dogs, or being abducted by aliens, etc...
 (I helped save b3ta! flapmeister knows where your mum lives, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:49, Reply)
This is a normal post If they had a chance to research their audience,
then they had a chance of at least making it 50/50.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:52, Reply)
This is a normal post probably didn't get the numbers in time
I imagine it was all arranged a bit last minute, and the only people wanting to attend something like this would be the over zealous religious type, whereas all the atheists probably couldn't give a fuck, apart from that one fella who was probably retired and fancied a day out at that there london.

None of the panelists appeared to support the arguement about the lack of evidence for god, one was a priest/vicar/whatnot, a smug bitch and another journalist looking to appease the audience and having a weak arguement that he himself failed to support.

Should never have been commissioned, but then it's probably a low cost program to produce, so it's more of a filler than anything.
 (I helped save b3ta! flapmeister knows where your mum lives, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Thats true, point taken...
Cookie?
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:03, Reply)
This is a normal post yes please
but not that one which you rubbed your bell end on please.
 (I helped save b3ta! flapmeister knows where your mum lives, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:06, Reply)
This is a normal post the trouble is that telling religious people they are wrong
is like telling teenagers that drugs are bad for them. It almost seems to reinforce their beliefs by having something to push against, shouldn't even have to dignify their nonsense with a discussion.
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:57, Reply)
This is a normal post OMG! OMG
mutated monty commented on one of my posts!!!

*shakes hands*

*faints*
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:00, Reply)
This is a normal post RBF? RBF?!
Oh.
*stealth bums*
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:38, Reply)
This is a normal post pfft
thou shalt not worship false idols!
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes my lord!

(I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Please will everyone go here...
www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/progs/specific/

and you know the rest
 (am9374, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:59, Reply)
This is a normal post I was just thinking something familiar
but isn't it a bit daily mail to complain about programmes you didn't see in the first place and were not targetted at you?

Having said that, I do resent my licence fee being spent on pro-religion propaganda...

edit - thinking something similar, sorry - little bit of a brainwrong there...
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:40, Reply)
This is a normal post i havent even
paid for my first licence, and i didn't see it first time around. and im sure it wasn't aimed at me.

but that wasn't a programme, it reminded me of some shows they show in southern america/bermuda area.
 (am9374, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Whos the target audience then?
Are all religious types unemployed or do they work flexi-time?

I think we they should have put this guy on the show to discuss this topic.

wouldn’t’ argue with him!

(I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 13:08, Reply)
This is a normal post That was really saddening
I mean fair enough BBC, by all means try and organise a debate about God Vs Science, but why the fuck would you have 99% of the room as religious types.

It's like - let's have a debate - who's better, Chelsea or Arsenal and we'll invite 99 members of the Chelsea Supporters club and Arsene Wenger. It's ridiculous, the BBC should be ashamed.

Furthermore apart from that first guy "Deen" needing his face pummelled, he seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding about both points of view and about discussions. Worst of all though was the woman from the Daily Telegraph, the smug bitch who took the moral high ground and instead of engaging in discussion and blanked everything the atheist had to say and just shouted over the top.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
 (I helped save b3ta! whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:36, Reply)
This is a link post Duck Face (with lyrics)
A musical ode to the dreaded myspace pose
(Waffle Iron ain't gonna take it anymore, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:46, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha

(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:55, Reply)
This is a normal post : )

(I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:02, Reply)
This is a link post The Frogmat - The solution to the BP oil spill?
Joanna Lumley was championing this 20 year old invention by a guy called Ken Frogbrook (great name) who designed this straw-like mattress that rolls out and absorbs the oil and can be used as fuel afterwards in an environmentally friendly way. I have tried to find information about it, but am surprised at the little attention that it has made.

I can't find a video of it being used like on the Graham Norton show EDIT: This is a link to the the time on the Graham Norton show: bbc.co.uk/i/swm5p/?t=25m53s , but this is a case in point of how it works eyescoops.ca/2010/05/environmentally-correct-oil-spill-cleanup-solution-with-hay-straw/
 (nospoon The Olympigs would have been more entertaining., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:41, Reply)
This is a normal post From what I've read.
Due to the size of the spill these types of solutions are more or less useless. They need something to break apart the oil on an industrial scale that will do limited damage on its own.

Same applies to human hair, BP have asked people to stop collecting it. Though it might have some use in keeping oil away from coast lines for limited amounts of time.
 (I helped save b3ta! Gooddeed89, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Washing up liquid!!!
They need to buy 10 gazillion barrels of Fairy!
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Bender!

(I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Despite that video looking like a hick cookiery program
It appears to work. Whether that would work outside the kitchen is to be seen. I like the idea of that. *clicks*
 (I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:54, Reply)
This is a normal post It seemed to have worked on the british one some time ago...
or I may have imagined it.
 (I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:04, Reply)
This is a link post Is it too early for a Glory Hole Game? NSFW
Maybe NSFW
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:20, Reply)
This is a normal post I got to level 3
I think I'd rather shag Lt Worf or Jake Gyllenhaal than Amy Winehouse!
 (I helped save b3ta! ERG1008 is climbing in yo windows & snatchin yo people up, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:31, Reply)
This is a normal post I used to hang with Amy W's berother years ago
he was a twunt
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:32, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this
Level 5, the choice between madonna and elton john is like choosing between a rock and a hard place.

Sarah Palin was an inspired choice though :-D
 (I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:33, Reply)
This is a normal post got to level 4
got bored.
 (The Blue Brony Flogging a Dead Horse Since, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Level 5 $15,000
Yay! I'm rich, but with Herpes
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:59, Reply)
This is a link post rights of the far right?
a hotel in germany is being sued by the leader of a far-right political group after they barred him from staying.

"There is a debate to be had," Mr Baumeister admits. "Should you discriminate against those who are guilty of discrimination? It's an interesting subject, but in the end decisions have to be made."

for all teh link board nazis (yeah, i am one too)
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Does the "managers have the right to refuse service to anyone" rule still apply?
Plus I wouldn't have admitted him to my hotel. Not for his political views, but because of those piggy little eyes. LOOK AT HIM! He looks so much like a paedophile he might as well be put on the register now.
 (I helped save b3ta! OneSullenBrit *air sandwiches*, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:14, Reply)
This is a normal post ^ This
It's the managements right to refuse service. So yeah, I wont serve you because I can't stand intolerant people
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:32, Reply)
This is a normal post so are you in favour of christians refusing rooms
to gay couples as happened in England a while back?
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Indeed...
...management presumably don't have the right to refuse service to black people, or those with disabilities. But then people don't choose those things, but they do choose to be right-wing racist types. Or at least they choose to join organizations which tell everyone that's what they think.
 (Sartori is moving to Canada, eh?, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:51, Reply)
This is a normal post nope
becuase discriminating against race or sexuality is different to discriminating against a point of view...it just is
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Persaonlly I wouldn't have refused them
But I wasn't the owner of the establishment so it wasn't my choice.

If someone wants to refuse business for personal reasons then they have the right to do so. Just as the couple had a right to complain about it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Thing is...
...personal reasons would be "I don't like you, you're a cunt" as opposed to "I don't like you, you're a gayer". You can discriminate against cunts, but not against homosexuals or people of races you find objectionable. That's kind of the law, but is also just wrong.
 (Sartori is moving to Canada, eh?, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:01, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah
this is a difficult area. the guy is a nazi but has human rights that he would deny to others if he got into power.

let him in, if other guests leave due to this, sue him for loss maybe? is this even possible?
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:06, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think so.
If you open your house up to the public as a b&b then it would be breaking descrimination laws to ban people because they're gay.
In my eyes there's no difference between this & the "No Dogs, No blacks, No Irish" signs that occasional b&bs sported in the 50s.
Except nowadays there are laws in place to stop this.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:46, Reply)
This is a normal post It's not what you think, they just once had an
Irish Wolfhound shit on the front porch
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post He defiantly needs to get a room
Look at the love in his eye's as he shakes hands with David Duke (former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan)


 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:28, Reply)
This is a normal post .
a room some lube
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:07, Reply)
This is a normal post A Lube Room?
om nom nom om om nom nom om nom
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 12:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm a cheating git!
images.cutelittlekittens.com/files/images/general/464222602_m_151.jpg

But, I deserve a damn holiday!

(and here is the original link www.purpleholidays.com/purple/dreamjob/vote/5)
 (GOTO:10 dropped out, logged on and jacked off., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:04, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
nice trick
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Not really...
just couldn't be arsed doing another begathon...you guys have been good enough to me anyhow.
 (GOTO:10 dropped out, logged on and jacked off., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:08, Reply)
This is a normal post is this the thing you posted from the other day?
if so, GC. Not clicking cos, yeah, it is cheating. You are Kader Keita, AICMFP.
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:10, Reply)
This is a normal post ...That's a tiny bit naughty as you did ask a few days back.
But enjoy Greece if you do win.
 (I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Point Taken...
Edited... Apologies in the post.
Sorry.
 (GOTO:10 dropped out, logged on and jacked off., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:18, Reply)
This is a normal post You may as well stick a pic of a kitten up
and post the original link in the text box, I'm curious now :-/
 (I helped save b3ta! Hellzapoppin, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:35, Reply)
This is a normal post edited once again...
apologies.
 (GOTO:10 dropped out, logged on and jacked off., Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:49, Reply)
This is a normal post

(Benzyl, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 22:04, Reply)
This is a link post Fathers Day Message
*saves for next year*
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 8:57, Reply)
This is a normal post what does it mean, "what if"?

(I helped save b3ta! Jeccius Steam Borderlands 2 junkie, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 9:10, Reply)
This is a normal post That...
Is weird...


Cheers
 (I helped save b3ta! Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 9:29, Reply)
This is a link post Soccer sniper
This explains everything
 (Smale is stuffed, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 8:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Is this a true story?

(I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 9:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Of course
it's on the internet.
 (Smale is stuffed, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 9:23, Reply)
This is a normal post I wish it was
Might make football interesting, for a change.
 (North Utsira South Utsira, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 9:39, Reply)
This is a normal post yes
this is true

however more bum fondling/crying is required to be completely authentic
 (wallynothere rnot without protection, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Niceness

(I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 10:48, Reply)
This is a normal post mmm... I've seen something similar before
oh yeah...

www.b3ta.com/board/10085243

GO ME!
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 11:03, Reply)
This is a link post Boy on Donkey vs Ostrich
Possibly the YouTube video that has everything. Cute boy on donkey. Donkey goes too near an ostrich, ostrich gets aggrieved and chases donkey and boy. Boy falls off donkey and is in genuine peril, before the dad intervenes and administers an almighty shoeing.

Steven Spielberg's already bought the feature film rights.
(helmsdeep, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 8:36, Reply)
This is a normal post i love the way the bird gets the boots at the end.
... nice
 (I helped save b3ta! Pazuzu does a barrel roll, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 8:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha! That was excellent!
I particularly liked the ending too.
 (I helped save b3ta! ArghZombies No longer has a Leaky QUIM, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 8:46, Reply)
This is a normal post
Pyrex penis im afraid
 (tomma turn around an bite you every time, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 9:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Funny stuff
Funny if you're watching...but wouldn't be that funny if you are the victim of a fall off a donkey and attacked by an Ostrich
 (trivialpursuit My opinion, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Him crawling shouting "papa" reminded me of some sort of Simpsons scene.

(I helped save b3ta! mike woz ere 7442200 & 7696970 getter, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 14:46, Reply)
This is a normal post haha! he duffed that ostrich up good

(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post you think he might have tried sprinting
but I guess that is why British kids are such pussies.
 (I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 18:02, Reply)
This is a normal post In a few months...
I will be thinking "Nah, must've dreamt it"
 (I helped save b3ta! sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Tue 22 Jun 2010, 21:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Epic video
This is what the internet was invented for.
 (I helped save b3ta! OldWhit, Thu 24 Jun 2010, 13:41, Reply)

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