As Shakespeare once wrote for Samuel L Jackson
"To Caps Lock or Not to Caps Lock? THAT IS THE MUTHAFUCKIN' QUESTION!"
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:30,
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Oslo, and trying to get around a stupid law that may force me to move
I have no intentions of moving, I like it here, stupid alcohol laws notwithstanding. I also like the word "notwithstanding"; I think it should be used more frequently.
You still in Aus? I seem to remember you got a position back in Blighty?
(Offline for half an hour or so, going into work. But back soon.)
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:14,
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You still in Aus? I seem to remember you got a position back in Blighty?
(Offline for half an hour or so, going into work. But back soon.)
Sounds intriguing...
Still in Radelaide, but moving back in November.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:18,
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Are you being deported? What stupid law did you break?
Also hi.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:42,
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Long time no see
How's life in poltergiset land?
Nah, not being deported, just that the unions, attempting to help people on temporary contracts, pushed through a law that says if you're four years in one job you have to be given a permanent position. Doubtless that even does help a lot of people given temporary contracts, but it seriously fucks things up in academia because there aren't many permanent positions to go around the universities have no desire whatsoever to make me permanent on the strength of four years' postdoctoral work - and neither should they. Of course, I only learned of this at the end of January, a week after I'd decided not to apply for permanent positions here because I'm happier as a postdoc.
Fucking trade unions, trying to improve people's working conditions.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:57,
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Nah, not being deported, just that the unions, attempting to help people on temporary contracts, pushed through a law that says if you're four years in one job you have to be given a permanent position. Doubtless that even does help a lot of people given temporary contracts, but it seriously fucks things up in academia because there aren't many permanent positions to go around the universities have no desire whatsoever to make me permanent on the strength of four years' postdoctoral work - and neither should they. Of course, I only learned of this at the end of January, a week after I'd decided not to apply for permanent positions here because I'm happier as a postdoc.
Fucking trade unions, trying to improve people's working conditions.
Can't you have a new temporary contract or something?
Do you speak Norwegian now?
Things are okay. I want to move house but apparently London is hosting the greatest greco roman wrestling tournament in the world soon and so everything is expensive.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:03,
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Things are okay. I want to move house but apparently London is hosting the greatest greco roman wrestling tournament in the world soon and so everything is expensive.
I can have a new temporary contract if I move to a different institution
in the past it was good enough just to change job title but that's the loophole they decided to close. No-one's quite sure what will happen because nothing's been tested in court yet. All a bit of a pain.
I speak less Norwegian now than when I moved here, and I feel a bit more ashamed every day. Someday soon I'll feel ashamed enough to start learning again...
You live in London already, right? Rent out your house and go on holiday! It'll be shit while the Greco-Roman wrestling contest is on anyway, horribly overcrowded, and with traffic that we can guarantee isn't going to move, hastily-built cable cars over the Thames notwithstanding. I'm expecting a massive exodus of Londoners all pocketing filthy amounts of lucre for the duration.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:15,
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I speak less Norwegian now than when I moved here, and I feel a bit more ashamed every day. Someday soon I'll feel ashamed enough to start learning again...
You live in London already, right? Rent out your house and go on holiday! It'll be shit while the Greco-Roman wrestling contest is on anyway, horribly overcrowded, and with traffic that we can guarantee isn't going to move, hastily-built cable cars over the Thames notwithstanding. I'm expecting a massive exodus of Londoners all pocketing filthy amounts of lucre for the duration.
I think my housemates might be a bit perturbed if the Ghanaian archery team moved into my room for a month
You should learn Norwegian and start your own anti-worker rights political party. Like the Conservative party, only moreso.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:24,
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Ah but how if it were four Ghanian *supporters* of the archery team?
No lethal weapons on open display, money in the pocket, holiday in the South of France - job's a good'un.
And I like the cut of your gib. Or jib. However it's spelled. I don't need too much Norwegian, after all, and I can copy/paste from the Tory manifesto. Hmm...
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:28,
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And I like the cut of your gib. Or jib. However it's spelled. I don't need too much Norwegian, after all, and I can copy/paste from the Tory manifesto. Hmm...
What about working to the end of the contract, having a one-week holiday over the border and then starting a new one?
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:31,
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I don't think there's a time limit on it
although I'm going to ask whether this is possible. I wouldn't mind sitting out a week of the winter in southern Italy where at 10 degrees or so it'll feel like the middle of summer...
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 12:16,
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Hello - Sorry I'm late!!!
Todays manly men are: Sir John Gielgud, Langley Kirkwood and Hitler Robert Carlyle.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:37,
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and the bonus blonds....
are Sarah Michelle Gellar, Kat Tuohy and Kimberly Evan.
* What are you b3tains up to today?
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:37,
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* What are you b3tains up to today?
Ooh! Ive not 'come across' Kat Tuohy before. Nice.
EDIT: Gielgud is particularly well done.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:40,
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Working
Unless I win big on the National (not likely considering the size of my stakes.....)
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 9:21,
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i'm not sure what's going on here, but the presenter has a bit of a monent
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There are some great videos of him tooking like a twunt on there...
Ning Real!
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 6:25,
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i'd like to say yep, we have all that shit
but in reality it has a post apocolyptic feel and we have regressed technologically.
i think this period is referred to as 'australia'
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:08,
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i think this period is referred to as 'australia'
Bwahahahahahaha!
Adelaide is 30 minutes and 30 years behind Sydney at that.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:39,
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I've been lurking here long enough to be dubious
But regardless I clicked anyway - damn my curiosity.. Damn you Deagostini...
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:06,
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never again will it be so obvious
you WILL be horsed many, many, times again in the future, but they will be far more devious
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:09,
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furthermore,
you'll never be able to see a horse, be it a pic, or otherwise, without thinking 'i love horses'.
DO NOT act on these thoughts
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:13,
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DO NOT act on these thoughts
Ha ha ha
* Bangs head on desk
Why, why, why did I click that!!!!
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:24,
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Why, why, why did I click that!!!!
Oi Wobbly!
I'm still in bed, and how do you expect me to know when to get up unless you post some VAGCREAMS?
If you're not going to, then bring us a cup of tea at least ;)
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:20,
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If you're not going to, then bring us a cup of tea at least ;)
I just wanted to let you know that we're all counting on you
good luck
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:49,
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It was so much sillier than I expected, but very entertaining
Although "Great snakes!" is better when written down, not when spoken.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 10:11,
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For some reason this is reminding me of Chang from that Community show
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 4:54,
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Simply mesmerizing.
Schmesmerizing.
It's always gayshift somewhere, by the way.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:31,
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It's always gayshift somewhere, by the way.
haha fuck i just typed 'b3ta jonesy' into google image search
some pages of awe
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:01,
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some fuckin awsesomeness right there
i'm secretly pleased, and surpeised to see my hostbusters pic on there
there's some beauties if you search b3ta freebase too
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:07,
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there's some beauties if you search b3ta freebase too
it led me to this too
www.ehow.com/video_2260342_what-athletic-training-performance.html
he reminds me a of bobcat
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 5:31,
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he reminds me a of bobcat
Oh well
it's just the usual nonsense, you're not missing anything new.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 4:35,
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funny how regulars get less hate
oh well, it's the gay
i know you're drunk but you're a cunt, arranged
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 4:30,
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i know you're drunk but you're a cunt, arranged
i'm drunk but i'd never post a hit post like that
gimmie 2 secs and i'll post a shit pic
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 4:35,
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There's no shortage of AWESOME on b3ta tonight
have a *click* and a WOO
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:58,
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this ^
just got back from self-imposed b3ta exile at work and the board is full of win.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:05,
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I still can't believe that was 100 years ago.
Top notch, old bean.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:09,
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HAH! Now that's a motherfucking conspiracy theory and a half!
*cleek*
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 15:04,
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We're all under a turd at times, but few experience being under a polished one. :')
Your last image, Maiden, made me jelly.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 3:30,
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well doncha know..
win
youtu.be/opAXZKMQkq4
spotify:track:21uqk0VElbm5bxCNTR3E6M (Suspicious Minds - Elvis Live version by Elvis Presley)
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:20,
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youtu.be/opAXZKMQkq4
spotify:track:21uqk0VElbm5bxCNTR3E6M (Suspicious Minds - Elvis Live version by Elvis Presley)
oh tanks
your anim is supreme goodness
spotify:track:0ZZcDRyx0zS2EIzajEKyZY (Bosom Of Abraham - alt. take 3 by Elvis Presley)
spotify:track:21uqk0VElbm5bxCNTR3E6M (Suspicious Minds - Elvis Live version by Elvis Presley)
GOSPEL
youtu.be/SZVhzVTBDvA
www.dailymotion.com/video/xkzoy9_the-old-landmark_shortfilms
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:34,
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spotify:track:0ZZcDRyx0zS2EIzajEKyZY (Bosom Of Abraham - alt. take 3 by Elvis Presley)
spotify:track:21uqk0VElbm5bxCNTR3E6M (Suspicious Minds - Elvis Live version by Elvis Presley)
GOSPEL
youtu.be/SZVhzVTBDvA
www.dailymotion.com/video/xkzoy9_the-old-landmark_shortfilms
I'm only just re-visiting b3ta after a very long time...
yours was the first anim i saw at the top of the board. and i liked. good stuff.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:33,
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ka-BOOM
Love pours from my soul in appreciation for your fantastic animation.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 3:24,
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This is awesome.
Not only that, I just discovered from your profile you did the 'makes me moist' thing and the bus slogan generator. Two of my favourite b3ta things ever!
Well done you talented bastard ;-)
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 7:31,
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Well done you talented bastard ;-)
woah awesome :D
bluuueee mooooon... you left me standing for hours waiting for one to come along....
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:58,
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I had to set 30 insect traps today
all about the library, which I hate doing
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 23:43,
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Look on the bright side...
...at least the insects make a tasty, albeit crunchy, treat
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 23:52,
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It's pretty grim
The traps I set for them basically involve glue and a tablet of invertebrate friendly scent which lures the fuckers into the den of death. It can get quite heavy if the spiders that crawl into their doom are rather large.
Freaks the fuck out out me
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:15,
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Freaks the fuck out out me
We have some historical original art pieces that belong to humanity
a few ants and spiders can be die for, but it still troubles me
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:29,
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I've never been good at a rebus.
I'll give it a go all the same.
STAR BACKDROP FINGER WORLD PUPPET LIGHTHOUSE EARWIG
Did I get it right?
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 3:26,
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STAR BACKDROP FINGER WORLD PUPPET LIGHTHOUSE EARWIG
Did I get it right?
Ha ha, I almost get it.
I saw the word, maccabees, and I almost made a connection to some Jewish cultural phenomenon, but cannot place it. But now I nearly understand the punnage, so beautifully done. Smarter folks were smitten.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 3:39,
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Couldn't be bothered to build a pond so I got a sack of air-trout from a guy down the pub...
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Today's speciality is trout a la creme.
Very nice addition to our fishy evening
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:11,
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Expertly done
Is this with Blender's new tracker? You have done an excellent camera solve top work.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:18,
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Yes it's with Blender
This was the best solve I've had yet. I have lots that fail badly and some that solve well except for a little stutter here and there which messes it all up!
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:21,
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Yes my hedgehog solve was almost a complete mess but I used AfterEffects to fudge most of it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9T_FJGzJKk&list=UURNZkSxp117mZL_nT2DSlWA&index=5&feature=plcp
Luckily because the camera was pretty shaky it covered up the bad tracking :D
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:24,
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Luckily because the camera was pretty shaky it covered up the bad tracking :D
I remember your hedgehog.
Something that's moving will help too if there's some jittery bits. But anything static that suddenly jumps sideways or tilts on one frame looks really weird.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:31,
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Absolutely and you will have to show me how you did your boids too
the trout models are great and they have that wonderful tail flick to really sell their realism - I actually thought it was video footage composited onto the scene.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:33,
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Ah.. the boids were "fun".
Blender's lack of documentation, and out of date documentation is a major pain with the new version. I was tearing my hair out at times!
But after lots of youtube tutorials, half-correct docs and some fiddling about I got there in the end.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:40,
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But after lots of youtube tutorials, half-correct docs and some fiddling about I got there in the end.
Yes I read that one
But it's not true about having to have the animated bird on an active layer. It just has to have a layer in common with the boids particle emitter, but that layer can be off.
If you look at the source file for this tutorial the multiple/grouped animated birds are visible in the camera view and look weird - a giant multi-winged thing. But he seems to have removed them from the video on the web.
Also for mine I had to point the models in the positive Y direction, not X to make them the right way around when they moved. This was in edit mode. It's no good just turning it.
But that's a pretty good tutorial, that's actually for 2.6 and has all about the boids, animating, and using groups. Which is pretty much all you need. Give it a go!
You can also bung in force fields, wind, goal objects and collision barriers. All good fun!
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 0:39,
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If you look at the source file for this tutorial the multiple/grouped animated birds are visible in the camera view and look weird - a giant multi-winged thing. But he seems to have removed them from the video on the web.
Also for mine I had to point the models in the positive Y direction, not X to make them the right way around when they moved. This was in edit mode. It's no good just turning it.
But that's a pretty good tutorial, that's actually for 2.6 and has all about the boids, animating, and using groups. Which is pretty much all you need. Give it a go!
You can also bung in force fields, wind, goal objects and collision barriers. All good fun!
Yes I aim to give it a go.
I started out with a basic animated model but it turned to a mess and I mustn't have followed a step right or something, probably from what you are saying it was because of the orientation and not visible but in the same active layer. I will endeavour to worth through problems and get something working, glad to see a few b3tans have gone the way of Blender for a free application and with so many free tutorials it should be a lot more popular than it is.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 8:39,
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Yesterday I started working with Blender, it's blown my tiny mind with its incredibly complex interface
I can see how rewarding it is when you eventually get it right and render something worth rendering. I have yet to do this.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:38,
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Yay! I like these airfish.
Last year's baby crows are just starting to build a nest. I was outside just now and they were happily floating around me. I try my best to keep a bunch of scraps out for them. So they like me. It's somehow related to airfish.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:53,
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Alright mongy
why don't you post new pics any more? Your pics are ace.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:03,
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I have a spare one, I'll leave it by the side of your bed so you'll see it when you awake.
The webcam doesn't work BTW and you need to keep it plugged in constantly for best results.
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:52,
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this is the catch part
I probably shouldn't draw the "release" part
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:08,
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Nice one, thought this was a Paul P sewer photo
I bet he knows where this is.
Also, someone should make a movie with this idea, like Alligator www.imdb.com/title/tt0080354/
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:49,
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Also, someone should make a movie with this idea, like Alligator www.imdb.com/title/tt0080354/
That looks like my kind of film
Though nothing could compare to Birdemic.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:52,
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that looks like the annoying Deling City level of Final Fantasy 8
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:11,
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"I realise that command does have its fascination, even under circumstances such as these, but I neither enjoy the idea of command nor am I frightened of it. It simply exists, and I will do whatever logically needs to be done."
Good old Winston
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:16,
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hehe i love this! you really are a talented old so and so mr dubya
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:35,
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Good call
Ginkgo Balboa vs Rocky Biloba. I'm sure they can probably squeeze another sequel out of that
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:59,
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The Power of Positive Thinking
Check out more at www.piecomic.tumblr.com
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:36,
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Check out more at www.piecomic.tumblr.com
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nice over here isn't it, like the other one but a bit more colourful, shame it was shut down
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:01,
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icons are going to go so far to the right I'll need a screen extension
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 21:06,
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oh gosh I hope Mrs Geoff biscuits doesn't consume him after sex:(
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 22:16,
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OH GEOFF
with your simultaneously disastrous and brilliant antics
Next week : fractal timeteeth
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:43,
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Next week : fractal timeteeth
I'm not crazy. (yes you are) Who said that? (you did) No, I didn't...
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Now that would make a more interesting game
especially being able to distract opponents with a rubber chicken.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:10,
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haha but I can see through my nerd eyes that you have never actually played World of Warcraft?
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:11,
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No yet
although I suspect the time may come soon. Was it the old-school D&D style stats that gave it away?
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:13,
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indeed :D
But I suggest WoW is waning so aim for Eve or Star Wars the Old Republic (SWTOR)
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:14,
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I friend is trying to get me into WOW and SWTOR too.
He's rather geeky, and as a guy who lectures in games design (although never the MMO genre) I feel I really should have played them, so my years of avoiding WOW will probably end soon.
It's like sex and LARPing - once you've done it once, I can never un-do it.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:28,
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It's like sex and LARPing - once you've done it once, I can never un-do it.
I have been playing WoW since vanilla days but it got so routine and too many squabbles over loot if you go raiding
I quit from my guild and left WoW altogether. Not sure I have time to go back or to even try SWTOR under bootcamp on my Mac. But it's a massive timesink and I really don't have the time anymore.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:31,
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That's another reason I've avoided them
I had a PhD to do, and business to run, girlfriend to... Things. I'm trying to to get my real life sorted before working much more on a fictional one. (He writes before going to drink beer and pretend to be a Renassiance assassin... See ya!)
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:39,
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Wait! you have a girlfriend? Then I think you are barred from playing World of Warcraft
you need to live on your own and be able to raid every weekend on the dot even if you're not required for the raid you have to turn up just in case. You are not allowed a social life lol ;)
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:43,
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Quiet here tonight. All watching the piano finals of the BBC Young Musician, I'll be bound.
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I'm not an Anglican vicar
I'm an Anglican vicar's son, and I'm only Angling vicars until the Anglican vicar cums.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:14,
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Pranks and japes
Dunno if this should go in links or talk so I'll just dump it here.
Oh I do love a good prank.
My brother shares my flat with me and as brothers are wont to do we play the occasional prank on each other.
One of these is very juvenile but it involves bursting in on the other and whomever can flick the finger fast enough wins that round - I know, I know but it's quite amusing when you're stoned.
He's off to Nigeria for work tonight so had all his packing out and his passport......
So I've taken 3 pictures of me flipping him the bird - one is inside his laptop, so when he opens the lid - tahhhhdaaaa! - one is folded up in the pocket of a pair of his trousers.
The last one is lightly stuck to the page bang opposite his current Nigerian Visa - Hopefully he'll find this one when he gets to immigration in Abuja
I reckon I win this round.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 19:48,
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Oh I do love a good prank.
My brother shares my flat with me and as brothers are wont to do we play the occasional prank on each other.
One of these is very juvenile but it involves bursting in on the other and whomever can flick the finger fast enough wins that round - I know, I know but it's quite amusing when you're stoned.
He's off to Nigeria for work tonight so had all his packing out and his passport......
So I've taken 3 pictures of me flipping him the bird - one is inside his laptop, so when he opens the lid - tahhhhdaaaa! - one is folded up in the pocket of a pair of his trousers.
The last one is lightly stuck to the page bang opposite his current Nigerian Visa - Hopefully he'll find this one when he gets to immigration in Abuja
I reckon I win this round.
Yeah
I should probably know that I checked the FAQ when I joined and then ravages of age took over.
and yeah it's mine.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 19:59,
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and yeah it's mine.
"Brother! I am in a nigerian detention centre!"
"I have negotiated my way out, but I need to make an urgent funDS transfer so I can "pay" the guard, please send me the money of not less than $800 DOLLARS AMERICAN to the following western union details....."
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 19:55,
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you posted a photo of yourself
during a slow night. good luck mate.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:07,
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I am posting a photo I took of a starfish I found on the beach yesterday
I'm posting it low down the board on a quiet night if that's OK.
(169 kb)
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Sat 14 Apr 2012, 1:03,
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(169 kb)
blimey you're an old one
so you should know your image was a bit big, so I made it smaller (please read the FAQ, images under 100k etc)
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:17,
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top work
I can see this escalating to brother faking own death, you are called to identify body, brother flips you the bird.
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Fri 13 Apr 2012, 20:20,
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Whatever you do don't slip a L.G.B.T membership card in his passport!
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