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This is a link post Just a quick smile :)

(I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:07, Reply)
This is a normal post just the other day a patient in the hospital slipped in to a coma after some one one played a justin beaver song

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:09, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
easy target but still good
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:03, Reply)
This is a link post got a house? live some where in the wet uk ? worried about anti social flooding and nusance water getting in to your property?
then we here at floods direct can help !
simply order your flood today and we guarantee delivery of your flood to the address specified the very next wet day.



on a more seriouse note (boo) live floodmap simple put your post code town etc in to the search box and hit enter to see if you are flooded, i would have thought that the lack of power or wet feet would also be a good guide to flood levels in your area
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a link post We all love free stuff (i know i do)
get a free .co.uk web address.

I'm a cheapskate and now have my very own one for my band!
(i think its for 2 years!)



I don't work for / have anything to do with the involved site, just wanted to share the goodies with you lovely/horrible* lot.
(*delete as appropriate)
 (I helped save b3ta! DanGleeballs Moist people don't notice spelling errors..., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes yes...sign up for free what?
You read the small print?...FUCK OFF...nothing is for free! and they make that perfectly clear.
One day there will be something for free....until that day comes i will happily continue to enjoy my aids, herpes, syphilis, pregnancy, anal warts and cancer...all of which i really actually did get for free....ok...maybe not absolutely free...some may have cost a few drinks and a bad diet... but fuck it..a damn sight more free than their terms and conditions.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hummel Who died and made you....oh wait...., Sat 7 Jul 2012, 4:09, Reply)
This is a link post Nasa took a 360 degree panorama on Mars
here it is, look at it. It's covered in wood varnish
Original image Courtesy NASA/JPL-Caltech.
 (I helped save b3ta! wjh31, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:00, Reply)
This is a normal post That absolutely fucking awesome.
Pictures on the moon look like the moon, but that looks very earth like and familiar.
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:04, Reply)
This is a normal post to be fail, it's false colour

(I helped save b3ta! wjh31, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:06, Reply)
This is a normal post I've been cheated
Still great.
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Not by that much
I've got the rather fantastic Postcards from Mars and they were very careful to colour-correct to make the shots as close as possible to what you would actually see. The colours in this looks very close to those.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Just read the one and only review for the book on Amazon
"The images are impressive, another world, but to be honest, after the 40th view of a boulder field
one starts to long for a lunar crater or Saturn's rings. Mars is fundamentally a rather tedious"

Lmfao , What was he expecting ? The odd monolith, remains of ancient architecture, costa coffee ?
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Phwooooaaarrrr!!!

(I helped save b3ta! Wildyles is back to rimming chimps, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh coooooool!
We made tracks on an alien planet! *squee*
 (I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Is that Mos Eisley in the distance??

(I helped save b3ta! executiverocker only wears C&A, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Dungeness
Power Station
 (I helped save b3ta! Studebaker Hawk Touch me, I'm thick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Mars, where the atmosphere is poisonous...
...or at least it would be if it wasn't too thin to matter.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:11, Reply)
This is a normal post you do know that you can see a partial foor print in the surface ?
bring the camera back to its highest position and look straight down.
just off center to the left on the edge of the solar panel you will see a bracket with what looks like a locating pin.
now put that locating pin directly under the down pointing arrow
if you look at the center of the screen you will see what looks like the remains of a boot/shoe print heel and toe complete with cleat marks as if standing in sort earth or damp sand
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Foor me once, shame on you...

(I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:53, Reply)
This is a normal post /\ makes no sense at all to me can some one translate this post? /\

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post You foored me with your foor print
youtu.be/RwxTRNzLZ9M
Edit. I'm drunk
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:07, Reply)
This is a normal post have a look again
not fooling any one with this
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Got it.
This one.
www.karlshuker.com/books.htm
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:32, Reply)
This is a normal post But your instructions are shite
And they assume that everyone has the same size screen as you
 (I helped save b3ta! Lord Keeps meaning to procrastinate., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Everyone doesn't have the same screen size?
*closes down web design business*
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Screencap it then
I can't make it work.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Wake up sheeple, etc.

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:18, Reply)
This is a normal post "bring the camera back to its highest position and look straight down."
Look straight up and then straight down? What are you on about?

Also, there won't be a boot print because this is a photo of Mars and people don't live there.
 (Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 13:10, Reply)
This is a normal post GET YOUR ASS TO MARS
oh, you did
 (I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:46, Reply)
This is a normal post dont tell kohagan but
koato is a freak !
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:46, Reply)
This is a normal post See you at the party Riktah!

(I helped save b3ta! LemonEntryMyDearWatson This time, Moriarty, the hand is on the other foot, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Someone has to say it:
Mars is boring.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:26, Reply)
This is a normal post IN YOUR FACE DAVID BOWIE!!!

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Why don't they do this on the moon at the landing site......
and settle the whole we did/no you didn't argument? Seems to be possible from mars, so why not the moon? That we we will all know for sure....
*have no opinion either way on said conspiracy theory/actual event*

*clicks like a loon for the link!*
 (I helped save b3ta! NooShmoo It's a fantazmagorical pile of ultra bollocks, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Cos people would then doubt the authenticity of that photo.
The fact that there are expermients on Mars set up by the astronauts should be proof enough....such as a series of mirrors which any semi-serious astronomer can use to time light waves bouncing back to Earth. It's something that's since been used to accurately measure distance over very large areas.

But that's harder for the conspiracy theorists to argue against cos they don't really understand it.
 (Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 18:09, Reply)
This is a normal post WOOOOW!
Nice find.
 (dingodrum Drums 'n that., Sat 7 Jul 2012, 19:31, Reply)
This is a link post Indie Game Review: Spelunky I made this!
My first time recording properly from the xbox, so hopefully everything has gone OK... BUT I BLOODY LOVE THIS GAME! Seriously, I love this game.
(I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 19:55, Reply)
This is a normal post You're right it's top notch!
Some of the achievements seem impossible at the moment though. Completing the game is one thing.. completing without collecting any treasure O_0

I have already lost a few hours to this piece of brilliance :)

P.s. Love your reviews. Are you going to get a big nonce co-op on this?
 (I helped save b3ta! Gregor Lenko There's a tree..., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Hey Thank you
Don't think there'll be a co-op unless I do it with people on my friends list - chainsaw is too cheap to pay for xbox live, and Dave is such a horrendous player I don't think I could stand watching him run into spike after spike after spike...
 (I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Well hellOOOOO
That looks properly awesome. Shame the co-op is xbox only.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:33, Reply)
This is a normal post nice old-school platform action ftw,
reminds a little of Rick Dangerous
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:55, Reply)
This is a normal post That's the game i was trying to think of

(I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:58, Reply)
This is a normal post
The PC version is free, everyone (It is apparently the same, but lacks the graphical zing).

spelunkyworld.com/original.html
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah
It's bloody brilliant, and I've been waiting for this xbox port since it was announced.
 (I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Nice review
it's a good game but i prefer the pc version =)
 (Sherbs, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 13:28, Reply)
This is a normal post There's a bit more content
in the Xbox version. I agree that I prefer the look/aesthetic of the PC one though.
 (I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 14:57, Reply)
This is a normal post DOGBOMB!
Is your name a reference to The Day Today?
 (I helped save b3ta! RadioElectric, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Nope.
It was pre-The Day Today.
 (I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:38, Reply)
This is a normal post On The Hour?
:)
 (I helped save b3ta! Gregor Lenko There's a tree..., Sun 8 Jul 2012, 21:10, Reply)
This is a link post One for the Sabbath

(PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:25, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
I want to see Spaceballs again now, haven't seen that for ages (yes I know this is from History of the World Part I)

Note: under the cannons it says "Kosher" meaning to be advantageous or proper
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Or...
Kosher.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:20, Reply)
This is a normal post I'd imagine jewish laser cannons would be missing the thermal shielding

(Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 9:00, Reply)
This is a normal post May the force be with jew.

(PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 11:59, Reply)
This is a link post Most b3ta users will be happy to read this news.
Boo hoo for the Luddites.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:11, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm a self-confessed Luddite and I'm more than happy to see Microsoft's monopoly broken.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Its a bit misleading to include iOS in the figures
but MS have clearly lost the plot, windows 8 looks a mess, and windows phone is shockingly bad, with about a fifth of the screen being wasted space.

Bollocks, I hate Apple :(
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:24, Reply)
This is a normal post doesn't trouble me I use Linux,
but Win8 is going to run on ARM, so we might start seeing desktops/laptops using these chips in the not too distant future. Breaking Intel's monopoly would be even better news to me.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly
Wonder how they'd stack up if you included the XBox.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:13, Reply)
This is a normal post I was trying to think of an equivalent microsoft appliance
and that's the one. Thankyou!
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:16, Reply)
This is a normal post "There all cunts...
But some are more cuntish than others." - George Orwell
 (I helped save b3ta! rjmrjm, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:28, Reply)
This is a normal post I hate Microsoft and Apple equally, but for different reasons
Thank goodness for Linux...
 (I helped save b3ta! notoolsovernight you're all luvvly an' 'orrible, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 19:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Until Linux become a global player and make lots of money.
Then you'll hate them too ;-)
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:23, Reply)
This is a normal post being open source that would be difficult,
some of the bigger distros could in theory become profit-making (and some already did via the "support service" business model, for instance Red Hat) but anyone with the knowhow can put their own distro together.

A bit of commercial-quality software wouldn't go amiss, in any case, to be honest.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:34, Reply)
This is a normal post
What Linux really lacks is vision and imagination. Surprising, since "anyone" can contribute to it.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:07, Reply)
This is a normal post problem is too many different visions,
design by committee taken to its ultimate silly conclusion. A sprawl of features and functionality without any overarching structure or sense to it, implemented by people who use keyboard shortcuts to do everything and haven't got the first clue about usability or learning curves.

Add to that the silly habit of giving all the applications bizarre and often rude-sounding names. It will come up with notifications saying "Splungefart failed to launch" and I'll have to google it. My file manager is called "Dolphin", wtf what does a dolphin have to do with the price of fish?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:17, Reply)
This is a normal post It sounds like it could do with a dose of capitalism,
with some maturity for restraint.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:30, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't have too much faith in capitalism to be honest,
they'd just try to turn it into a clone of windows/mac, and it would lose everything that makes it good, which is plenty of stuff despite the complaints. There's nothing wrong with the kernel.

What it needs is a dose of despotism, I think.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Genuinely good and innovative things can come from Capitalism. We're having this conversation after all.
But like all human endeavors, it's the human beings that can screw things up.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:46, Reply)
This is a normal post we're having this conversation because the internet is an open system,
if it had been invented and pushed by the capitalists we'd have to have this conversation through something like Facebook with adverts all over it. There'd be no B3ta.

Big companies have come up with good things, I don't believe for a minute it's the best way of coming up with good things though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Telephones are an open system.
Capitalism built telephones. ?
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:00, Reply)
This is a normal post not really,
there are telephone companies that own the lines, switchboards etc. there is no "internet company". There are service providers who allow you to connect from your house but it's not the same thing. It's a completely decentralised system.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I mean the infrastructure.
People can say what they want on the telephone, but they need the wire connecting them to do it. The Internet "arises" from the benefits of Capitalism in other words.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:14, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah you can,
not sure the analogy is very useful though. The whole point of the telephone is so that individuals can talk to each other. A profit-driven service model of the internet would more likely be a bit more one sided, more like television. Think FOX/Sky News. You can't go on there and read your own news story can you.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:18, Reply)
This is a normal post The only point I'm making is that you need the wire.
For our conversation to happen that means copper cables, fiber-optics, satellites, deep sea cables, routers and so on.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:23, Reply)
This is a normal post you need more than just the wire for the internet,
you need the protocols as well. Thankfully these are not proprietary. Anyone can set up a server in their house and host a web page on it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep.
For telephones to work you need language too.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:26, Reply)
This is a normal post and thank goodness language is not proprietary

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep.
I think we're agreed then: you should have more faith in Capitalism ;-).
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:31, Reply)
This is a normal post what
non sequitur alert
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:31, Reply)
This is a normal post
since... they built the infrastructure. Ok - never mind :-).
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:38, Reply)
This is a normal post the infrastructure was largely developed and built
by governments and academia. The World Wide Web, which is what most people think of when you say "Internet", was invented by researcher Tim Berners-Lee while he was working for CERN, which he made freely available and refused to patent it or profit from it.

That various private interests have since capitalised on it is by the by. The internet as we know it exists despite capitalism, not because of it. They'd love to make it patriarchal but it's too late now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:43, Reply)
This is a normal post capitalists built my bed though
and now I'm going to lie in it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:01, Reply)
This is a normal post a good idea :-).

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:04, Reply)
This is a normal post
Oh for goodness sake :-) The CABLES! The satellites. All that good stuff. It seems you mean "infrastructure" to be the communication itself.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:03, Reply)
This is a normal post yes,
not sure what point you're making there. They were laid by private companies, so what. I just ate a pizza from Pappa John's, it doesn't mean the world has capitalism to thank for pizza.

I'm going to bed.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:07, Reply)
This is a normal post You have capitalism to thank for giving you THAT pizza to eat.
Goodnight :-).
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:16, Reply)
This is a normal post There are some distros
which have a vision, and which are converging towards the point where they're usable as a home user OS for plebs.

But what's lacking is a lot of the toys you get with a modern OS which turn out to be frighteningly handy in the modern web world.

Where are the garage band equivalents? The Windows Movie Maker or iMovie equivalents?

Photo editing is getting there slowly (Gimp has *finally* moved away from being 8bit only with their latest major release, darktable is becoming usable)

Linux on the desktop frustrates the hell out of me, and I wrangle linux for a living.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Linux motto is:
"we want the stuff those 'greedy corporations' innovated, but we don't want to pay for it".
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:38, Reply)
This is a normal post greedy corporations never innovated any of it,
they wait until a start-up innovated it, developed it, marketed it and started to turn a profit, and then bought the companies. It saves them a lot of bother.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:41, Reply)
This is a normal post and makes start-ups a whole bunch of cash
because lets be honest, most start-ups are there to make a shit load of cash, aren't they?

Ps I say most as I'm sure there are exceptions
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:16, Reply)
This is a normal post not really
I'm just saying that as a desktop OS it doesn't have the tools consumers expect - largely because they're not what the type of people who write software for linux want.

It's not about "wanting it for free" - if Adobe creative suite was available (and stable, and supported) natively on linux (wine doesn't count) I'd totally buy a copy.

However, that's *all* about desktops. In the server world linux (and open source in general) has a *huge* takeup and has consistently out inovated microsoft in a lot of ways.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:45, Reply)
This is a normal post it's got everything I need
e-mail client, browser, music/video player. Gimp could be better but it suffices.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Then why not just pay for Linux?
If it means it could be revolutionary and stable?
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:55, Reply)
This is a normal post stability isn't a problem,
it's stable, that's why it's so popular in servers.

You can't pay for "Linux" because Linux isn't a single thing. You mean why not a commercial distribution? The Kernal is GPL so I don't know what the legality of that would be.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:57, Reply)
This is a normal post The GPL on the kernel
doesn't stop Redhat selling RHEL.

There is nothing to stop you selling a distro or selling commercial software to run on top of linux. A number of companies do.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:01, Reply)
This is a normal post they sell the support package,
that's how that works as far as I know
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:04, Reply)
This is a normal post nope
they sell RHEL - you can't download it for free.

Edit: not unless you count CentOS, which is RHEL with all the redhat stuff stripped out and doesn't have the infrastructure around it that RHEL does
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:14, Reply)
This is a normal post RHEL
is the free Linux kernel with a few Red Hat proprietary tools on top and a fucking expensive support package.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Linux makes a great calculator, don't get me wrong.
It's just lousy for everything else. It's like you said before about too many cooks.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:05, Reply)
This is a normal post a lot of people do pay for linux
canonical make money out of ubuntu, redhat make money out of RHEL, Oracle make money out of Suse.

Hell, I make money out of linux!

There are many many companies out there who pay people to develop open source software and the open source software you use every day wouldn't be as good as it is without that.

Just because you as an end user can get something for free, it doesn't mean that *no one* is paying for it.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:59, Reply)
This is a normal post the linux strategy for usability however
seems to be to try to layer Windows-style controls on top of things.

Also X windows is well past its use by date.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:39, Reply)
This is a normal post I set up a linux box once
I basically wanted it as a simple media hub for my house. I just could not get on with it, toyed with it for days and eventually just installed XP instead. As a server application it's great but it failed for me as a desktop. I have plenty of shells left and will try again one day. Maybe I'll persevere a bit more next time around...
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh great
I'm the IT guy in an office with a roughly 60:40 split Windows to Macs. The Macs are far more problematic, largely because the same things that make it a nice OS to use at home are the very things that make it a nightmare in a work environment.

They interoperate with the Windows servers in a way that is very reminiscent of the way Windows machines used to deliberately ignore Unix servers.

Not to mention that Lion server is an absolute dog's breakfast. It contains about half the features of the previous version and barely bloody works.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:58, Reply)
This is a normal post ^
LOL not just us then!

Macs and their locked files, meaningless crash reports, insatiable bandwidth usage and arrogant users are an absolute bane.

Some Mac keyboards and their CAPS lock too; seems to be like an old cherry keyboard physical toggle, so if left on cannot be untoggled remotly with remote control software and pressing SHIFT when caps lock is on does not give you lowercase characters. Password entry ? - AAArrrgh!

Not entirely their fault; but Outlook 2011 is driving us fucking insane too, everything Adobe makes for mac is a close second.

Thank goodness for parallels and all things thin client/server.

PS, while I am in the mood; did you know Apple uses Microsoft's Azure service for about 60% of its online services? Where does your precious MobileMe and iTunes cloud data live ? - Redmond, that's where.
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:27, Reply)
This is a normal post its

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Corrected.
I'll report for the spanking later this eve.
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:00, Reply)
This is a normal post <yawn> Just looks like stats to me....
What do you mean by "Boo hoo for the Luddites." ?
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:03, Reply)
This is a normal post I can' t bothered.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:35, Reply)
This is a normal post He can't bothered.

(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:54, Reply)
This is a normal post So basically, according to that graphic
Microsoft are doing more than twice as well against Apple right now as they were throughout the mid-90s. Not exactly a disaster for them, is it?
 (I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:50, Reply)
This is a normal post He seems to fail to understand
Windows is an office package, Mac OS is a home package. Businesses will continue to use Windows because the development of said system is almost entirely driven by business requirements and as a result is a vastly superior system for guess what... BUSINESS!

Add the overwhelming superiority of Windows servers compared to Mac OS's and there is no competition at all, not even a teeeny tiny bit.

And yes Linux is all very nice for fire and forget Apache servers, don't get me wrong, I love it for that kind of thing, but for desktop? Niche forever, since the whole idea of Linux has been catastrophically torpedoed below the waterline by sixteen trillion separate distros given that one of the main stated driver behind Linux was the ridiculous number of Unix flavours, all 5 of them...
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 23:22, Reply)
This is a link post Determined idiot I made this!
Made this about 14 years ago, don't think I've ever linked it out. Anyway this is a friend of mine who is partially sighted learning to jump rhythms .
(I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Everything about that is ace.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:00, Reply)
This is a normal post 11 out of 10 for determination
Nicely done
 (I helped save b3ta! LemonEntryMyDearWatson This time, Moriarty, the hand is on the other foot, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahahaha! good for him!
Edit: I just watched it twice. 0:40 is hilarious.
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:03, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
personally I live by "if at first you don't succeed, give up". Don't knock it, I'm still alive.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:04, Reply)
This is a normal post There a lot to be said.
For that statement..
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahahahahahaha!!!!!
Props to him though, some serious determination and pain there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Many bruises were made this day

(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:36, Reply)
This is a normal post I was laughing until he hit the tree,
I have done that and know how much that hurts.
Good on him.
Clicky
 (I helped save b3ta! Rev. Jayneflakes Buy my book, I need the cash for drugs and hookers, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:39, Reply)
This is a link post Stop the world, I want to get off.
During a search for Mexican rappers to win/loose an argument. I found this.
(I helped save b3ta! nowimboard shouted "Bring On The Trumpets!" at, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:32, Reply)
This is a normal post That's one fat kid
But he looks like he's using the finger in the air fitness technique so good luck to him...More importantly did you win/lose the argument?
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:37, Reply)
This is a normal post We decided that after seeing that,
no ones a winner.
 (I helped save b3ta! nowimboard shouted "Bring On The Trumpets!" at, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 13:03, Reply)
This is a normal post fat little cunt.
To many breakfast burritos.
 (Quinni TK421 Isn't at his command post on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:43, Reply)
This is a normal post mmmmm breakfast burritos.
+ I think he's miming. I think he's the faz child Mexican version of Milli Vanilli.
 (I helped save b3ta! The only Dave is pushing things forward, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:56, Reply)
This is a normal post lose
lose an argument
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:58, Reply)
This is a normal post He may have put it there to test us, i wouldn't 'bank' on it though.
*runs*
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:16, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm never one to shy away from an argument,
but it's not the winning, it's the taking part that counts.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Unless you're up in court on child abuse charges, then it certainly is the winning that counts.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Unless? :/

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Welcome to the club.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:07, Reply)
This is a normal post
www.youtube.com/watch?v=45C16tToen8
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:58, Reply)
This is a normal post what is he actually singing about
is it margarine or margarito?
 (profanity When I say business, I mean business., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:12, Reply)
This is a normal post I can't believe it's not better.

(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:56, Reply)
This is a normal post "loose"?
No, not clicking.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Because you're loose enough.
Hope your day improved tabs.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:21, Reply)
This is a normal post What a fucking twat.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Dough faced fuckwit

(Spin Its a thing., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Fat cunt flid shit.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Is that the YMCA construction worker
at 1:54?
 (Lunar Tick A pest in this space, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:36, Reply)
This is a normal post look what happened to the chubby cuppy cake kid when he got paid.

(chopchopchopchop chopchopchopchopchopchopchop, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 1:17, Reply)
This is a normal post got you beat
14 year old encouraged to get breast implants by her mother. Surprise surprise, the daughter looks like a young version of her mother.

Fuckign stupid overly controlling parents.
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 11:02, Reply)
This is a normal post I think
hes singing about diabetes and the spanish for that is diabeto
 (I helped save b3ta! CysticSpazzGland has just puwked on your mum, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 20:40, Reply)
This is a link post Coffee Designs.
Love these, i have a friend who can do some, quite pointless but always brings a smile to my face when i get my coffee.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:27, Reply)
This is a normal post They are fuckin uber!
Where's the comedy cock?
 (Quinni TK421 Isn't at his command post on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:32, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm disappointed
probably 'cause I read it as coffin designs
 (what day is it?, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Click!

(I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 19:58, Reply)
This is a link post Redubbed Barclays ad now in the Grauniad
interesting piece on brand hacking.
Bet she saw the video in the newsletter and quickly knocked this out.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dick Wonder ₐ wₒₙₖy, wₐᵥy wₒₙdₑᵣ, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:08, Reply)
This is a normal post :)
b3ta.com/newsletter/issue536
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:21, Reply)
This is a normal post There's a newsletter?

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:23, Reply)
This is a normal post Cor
This is cutting edge stuff.
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:33, Reply)
This is a normal post
š Is a Scary New 'S' Letter
 (I helped save b3ta! zacherynuk @echo off, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Technology is moving too fast.
I guess i'm going to have to get an email address now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:43, Reply)
This is a link post Bedonka doo balls!
Intoxicated lady tells copper he has pretty eyes. A touching romantic moment, caught on tape.
(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post that was brilliant!

(Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:04, Reply)
This is a normal post haha!
her wink was priceless! nice find.
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:06, Reply)
This is a normal post The cop was a champ!

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I do sometimes wonder if the cops would treat these people the same if they weren't being filmed but he really did seem like a good egg.
Great to see.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Damn straight, He handled that really well.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:17, Reply)
This is a normal post He gave her a damn good fingering once the cameras were off

(Dijital Flouncing Back!, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:07, Reply)
This is a normal post well you would, just to, you know.. be polite.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Wait....
was that a POSITIVE comment about a police officer on B3ta? I don't believe it.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:42, Reply)
This is a normal post The copper was alright, unlike you, you're a cunt.
Does that restore the balance?
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Much better :-) Thank you.
Now fuck off.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:46, Reply)
This is a normal post YOUR ALL GAY.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:48, Reply)
This is a normal post ALL'RE

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:49, Reply)
This is a normal post POIDH
Edit: What am I writing?
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:55, Reply)
This is a normal post AICMFP

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Patience is something the Police have when there are cameras rolling.

(I helped save b3ta! The only Dave is pushing things forward, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:01, Reply)
This is a normal post There it is!

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:24, Reply)
This is a normal post I read that as wank

(I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:26, Reply)
This is a normal post I made a gif

(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 22:43, Reply)
This is a normal post hahahahaha!
That is most excellent!!!! :D
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 0:13, Reply)
This is a normal post lol, that was great
wow, is that English?
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:17, Reply)
This is a link post Hexidecadence (hardcore acid techno) I made this!
I made this just for you.
 (hamst3rf1sh Purveyor of daftness, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:36, Reply)
This is a normal post for me?
you shouldn't have.... really...
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post
I just couldn't help myself.
 (hamst3rf1sh Purveyor of daftness, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:36, Reply)
This is a normal post I could certainly rob a bank to that.

(BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:46, Reply)
This is a normal post
That's exactly what I had in mind
 (hamst3rf1sh Purveyor of daftness, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Bit fucking good that.
double click because it reminds me of Detroit.
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:58, Reply)
This is a normal post
Thanks muchly.
 (hamst3rf1sh Purveyor of daftness, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:38, Reply)
This is a link post LYMPICSSS!!!!
LYMPPICCCSSS... used to sell bottles of "fabreeze". Well done.
(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh for fuck sake!
"it's beewwwifuuul"

"sea breezey"

"like the country side"

"a pot pourri factory"

*weeps*
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:41, Reply)
This is a normal post "Its like someone cunting me in the fuck!"

(Dijital Flouncing Back!, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:08, Reply)
This is a normal post At least that would be an honest answer.
I't's like being gassed in a world war one trench would be another.
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:41, Reply)
This is a normal post The real test would be to have them all taking a shit in front of them.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:42, Reply)
This is a normal post just follow radcliffe
round the marathon route, that'll do it.
 (DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:12, Reply)
This is a normal post the Queen of Scat Marathon
we should have introduced it to these games
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Stick me on a 100m track whilst i need a shit, tell me there's a toilet at the end of the track and i'll out-run any fucker.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:26, Reply)
This is a normal post You're just looking for excuses now
you make me sick.
 (I helped save b3ta! maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:33, Reply)
This is a normal post
sick so horny it hurts.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Sorry but...
...I'd prefer the smell of sweaty men. Have you smelt the stuff? Pure evil.
 (I helped save b3ta! Yoofaloof 'I like it here, wherever it is...', Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I think you are just trying to proselytize. I don't think you care at all about the scent of the sea.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Well at least none of them
Had to worry about their sweaty balls.

Seriously, what's with that, are there no male bits allowed in Azerbaijani?
 (I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:59, Reply)
This is a normal post
Stupid merkins trying to cash on on OUR games!
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 10:49, Reply)
This is a link post Wig from own hair prank
Well executed
 (Jalf, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post hah
much better than I was expecting... I actually smiled quite a few times /gasp
 (I helped save b3ta! wideeye slightly pickled, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Totally
Although I am jealous of anyone that can grow that much hair due to being a slaphead. Git
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:12, Reply)
This is a normal post What a BASTARD!

(pissflaps. FSPW, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Good looking popular twat.
I'm going bald, but if I shave my head I look like I have the Aids.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post That made me do a lol!

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:13, Reply)
This is a normal post On your marks, get set.......
.....GAY.
 (I helped save b3ta! The only Dave is pushing things forward, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:05, Reply)
This is a normal post looks like someone can't just get a haircut
without making it into a whole production and having to inform everyone he's ever met about it.

His wierd hand on the chest thing when he laughs annoys me more than his narcissism though.
 (OneForTheRoad man under glass, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 19:10, Reply)
This is a normal post I actually enjoyed that
He knows EVERYBODY!
 (I helped save b3ta! ..wil, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 21:45, Reply)
This is a normal post I liked that a lot

(cockneydevil is full of bacony goodness, Sat 7 Jul 2012, 17:56, Reply)
This is a link post Interesting card trick.
Ronseal & apols if GC.
(Stashie is plotting against his blender on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Interesting.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post I think that's fairly long-winded to explain but rather simple
The cutting of the cards is a bit of a wheeze. When the cards are all collected back together again, the 3 cards will always be in positions 10, 26 and 42 in the deck. Then when you're doing the Up Down bit, you change the order on the 2nd deal and it should all work out from there.
Used the constipated mathematician's method here i.e. worked it out with a pencil.
I need a drink.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:11, Reply)
This is a normal post You don't need a maths degree to work this out
The cuts are genuinely random, but when the piles are re-stacked, the cuts are effectively reassembled and the 3 target cards will always be in positions 10, 26 and 42. The rest is showmanship.
 (I helped save b3ta! notoolsovernight you're all luvvly an' 'orrible, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Wow and there was me thinking card tricks were genuine magic...

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:58, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep the random cut was just misdirection as when the rest of the stack is place back on top
then it's exactly the same number of cards and the aces haven't moved.
 (I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:51, Reply)
This is a normal post I've read that 5 times
and still don't understand.
 (Leemondus, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Pile of 10
Pile of 15, Pile of 15 and finally Pile of 9.
Puts the ace on top of pile of 10... that's now the 11th card from the back of the pack.
Cuts the 15, hides Ace in the middle of the cut, BUT ZOMG NOT REALLY, 'cos then he just places the second half of the deck back on the first, so it went from
1, 2, 3, 4, ..., 15
to something like
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 1, 2, ..., 9
Still 15 cards with Ace as a 16th.

Basically, the cards never move away from their predetermined positions.

Watch it again and you'll notice he fiddles about with putting one cut deck on top of another, etc., but the groups 10-Ace-15-Ace-15-Ace-9 still remain. This is in reverse order, so when 'dealing' the deck it goes rather:
9-Ace-15-Ace-...-10
Or, Aces at 10, 26 and 42; which then enables the magic of the continual half and half dealing until ZOMGZ0RZ IS MY CARD, OH MAGICIAN, HAVE MY BABIES!
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 20:51, Reply)
This is a normal post that was interesting.

(I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Withcraft!
Burn him. Burn him to death!
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:10, Reply)
This is a link post This just in....
The Serious Fraud Office (SFO) has confirmed that it has formally launched an investigation into the rigging of the inter-bank lending rate, Libor.

Shits going down!
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Bring back hanging !!

(I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:28, Reply)
This is a normal post No, hung drawn and quartered.
Sometimes the drawing commenced with cutting off their goolies and burning them infront of their eyes.

No less than they deserve.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Surely that's bung, over-drawn and quarterly fees?

(PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:27, Reply)
This is a normal post
I would love this to result in Barclays collapsing. It's one of those high street companies that is huge despite being a terrible experience as a customer. Bad customer service, unhelpful staff, shitty experience trying to call them and do anything. How they ever had any customers was beyond me.

See also the Game stores. Shit company. Overpriced, and staffed by cunts.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:47, Reply)
This is a normal post I'd prefer to see proper regulation
than Barclays collapsing, putting branch staff out of work, adding to the jobless total, and causing shitloads of hassle for their retail customers.

With you about GAME though, good fucking riddance.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:56, Reply)
This is a normal post
I once saw a guy in his 40s in Game, and he was looking a bit confused over the shelves. "Can I help you?" Piped up a spotty oik. The customer explained how he didnt really know about games, but his son had a ps3 and he had been playing a bit of Modern Warfare with him. He said he wanted something similar 'a war game, with shooting and stuff'.

The little cunt who worked there started trying to sell him Demon Souls, a fantasy swordplay title known for it's hardcore difficulty.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:01, Reply)
This is a normal post horrid little cunts, their staff
the Brighton store tried to tell me to send a faulty disc back to the publisher once, despite me having bought it there that morning, so I just grabbed a different copy, plus another random title (EVE online, which i was curious about) and walked out the door.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:16, Reply)
This is a normal post *phones police*

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post *throws laptop in river*

(Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post I went there once
The staff were disgustingly drunk, made improper suggestions to my wife and offered to fight me behind the bins.
 (North Utsira South Utsira, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, now I'm intrigued
...and horny.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:23, Reply)
This is a normal post The thing is competition doesn't really work the same way in consumer banking like it does elsewhere.
For instance supermarkets. If I don't like Tesco one week I can go to Sainsbury's or Morrisons the next, or the co-op or anywhere else, I can go to a different shop every week if I want. But once you've got an account with Barclays you can't just go and do your banking at Lloyds. You can close your account and open one elsewhere but what a hassle, you wouldn't just do it on a whim or to try something else for a bit. You're kind of held captive by the bureaucracy.

And is any other bank any different?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:03, Reply)
This is a normal post ummm, yes it does
you don't need to close an account with Barclays to open an account with another bank, if you want to do your banking at Lloyds then go and open an account there.

You can open an account with every single bank if you want to, they can't and won't stop you
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:11, Reply)
This is a normal post well they can stop me because I don't have any photo ID,
but it's still not the same is it, I don't have to open an account at all to go to a high street shop and buy something. And then if I want to actually use my money I'd have to transfer it from one to the other, which means dealing with the bank the money is in at the time.

Plus most people pay their bills by standing order, for convenience. You'd have to drop that if you wanted to pay out of a different bank every month. Same for your wages, unless you get paid in cash.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Barclays can't stop you opening an account with Lloyds because you don't have photo ID
why on earth would you think that would be the case?

Of course if you want to use a bank you have to have an account with them, how the hell would it work otherwise? You're saying that essentially you won't open another account because you can't be bothered, well, that is your fault, nobody else's.

In fact, you'll find that if you open an account with another bank, and want to move your DD's and standing orders (do they even still exist?) then the new bank will do it all for you.

You really don't know what you are talking about here, do you?
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:25, Reply)
This is a normal post You need ID to open a bank account. I think that would be the case because I have opened a bank account before.
I also think that would be the case because my bank has told me that I need ID even to do certain things with the account I've already got. I got told this after I was asked for ID one time I tried to pay a cheque in.

Yes, ok, I can't be bothered. Because it's a faff on. It means going into a branch and filling out forms and stuff (or do they do it over the phone these days? It's a long time since I opened a bank account.) This is why it's not the same as competition between shops, because I don't need to feel particularly bothered to go into whichever shop I happen to feel like at the time. Going into any shop is absolutely NO more effort than going into the same one I went into last time.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:32, Reply)
This is a normal post so basically
you are moaning and whinging about something you know next to nothing about.

Of course you need ID to open a bank account, if you didn't, money laundering would be a piece of piss.

TABBY! SHE IS DOING IT AGAIN!
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:36, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not moaning or whinging,
I'm just pointing out that competition isn't quite the same in consumer banking because you have to open an account.

And here is you angrily agreeing with me, saying "OF COURSE THAT'S TRUE, STUPID"
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post and how is this the fault of Barclays?
you are not 'held captive' by beauracracy. You are held captive by your own laziness.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:52, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not blaming Barclays or anybody else.
It's an inherent property of how banks work. But I'm beginning to wonder if you work for them or something.

Call me lazy if you like. Call most people lazy if you like. Most people don't chop and change banks on a regular basis and it's not because they think the customer experience is so great. Shops have even started introducing rewards cards and store cards (every time I shop in an Arcadia group shop they want me to open an account with them) precisely because they want their customers to be tied to them in exactly the same way.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:02, Reply)
This is a normal post I would like to see tighter regulation of the banking system, and improvements across the retail banking sector
but that won't happen when people are witlessly harping on about 'moral responsibilities' and 'the system' instead of focusing on the failure of Governments to grow some balls and regulate the industry properly, which is THE ONLY WAY ANYTHING WILL CHANGE. Cameron doesn't want to do this, because when his political career is over, he'll get a nice few board positions where he can pick up a couple of hundred grand a year for doing an afternoons work.

He's quite happy for people to bang on about 'moral failure' etc., because he can join in, and agree, look like he's on the consumers side, yet still do nothing.

It's a smokescreen, and the stupid, gullible, ill-informed public is actually perpetuating the current status quo
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:12, Reply)
This is a normal post where the hell did this come from?
it's like a crossed line. it's like the end of that argument from the other day fell through a wormhole.

I'm having terrible difficulty with my lifestyle.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:15, Reply)
This is a normal post and as for loyalty cards and schemes keeping people 'tied to' a particular store
nobody is 'tied', you can shop where you want. But if you do 'open an account' with Arcadia or any other, there are some free benefits that you can get. It remains entirely your choice. You get something free, if you choose, or nothing. You don't lose anything. It is a no strings benefit that you can choose to partake in. How can you have a problem with that?
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:22, Reply)
This is a normal post ...and we're back on track
They psychologically tie people, that's what loyalty is, that's why they're called loyalty cards. They do it because it works. Obviously having a Topshop card doesn't stop me going wherever, and not having a Topshop card doesn't stop me shopping at Topshop. That's about as close to the banking business model they can get. They're exploiting human psychology to retain customers. I'm not making a moral judgment on this by the way.

With banks obviously it is different. I can't open an account with Barclays and then arrange an overdraft with Lloyds. I can't do anything in Barclays without an account with Barclays. This isn't Barclay's fault or necessarily a bad thing but if I had an account with Barclays and the customer service wasn't very good I'd want to know that the amount of effort it would take to move my account elsewhere, standing orders, direct debits, overdrafts, employer payments, credit cards and all, I'd want to know that doing so would actually make my life easier in the long run and not just a waste of my time. And how do I know that? If I usually shop at Sainsbury's and I'm disappointed by a steak slice one day, I can go into any Tesco and see if theirs is any better, with no commitment to keep going there.

Furthermore I could go to the cornershop instead, and here's another aspect of competition. I don't need to go to a supermarket at all, anything I can get in a supermarket I can get in any number of small, locally owned shops. Any bank that is any good, on the otherhand, is necessarily on quite a large scale, usually national or international.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:35, Reply)
This is a normal post OK, enough
you are talking a lot, but saying nothing
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Have you got some kind of mental cold?
You seem to have a blocked brain. My sympathies. But it's no pleasure for me either, talking to a brick wall. Let me put it more bluntly, in a last-ditched attempt to get through.

Competition amongst retail banks alone isn't sufficient to encourage an emphasis on customer service because the intrinsic time and effort overhead of transferring an account outweighs the expected benefits of doing so. Banks aren't going to be helpful to customers just for helpfulness's sake (sadly), they only do things that are in their own financial interests. Therefore banks must be regulated.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:57, Reply)
This is a normal post But the regulation that you are talking about, switching accounts, IS ALREADY IN PLACE
The Financial Services Authority (FSA) will take over all retail banking conduct regulation for deposit taking and payment services in November 2009.

Currently, the Banking Code Standards Board (BCSB) monitors and enforces voluntary Banking Codes which govern banks’ day to day relationships with their customers.

From November 2009, these arrangements will be replaced by new FSA rules which all banks, building societies and credit unions must follow.

Notable changes for consumers will include the requirement to provide a prompt and efficient service to help customers switch accounts. This would apply more widely than the commitments in the banking codes, for example to cash ISAs, where the FSA has seen delays in the past. So when it comes to switching, customers will be able to have their transfer completed promptly – no matter what type of account.

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:05, Reply)
This is a normal post So you don't think there should be more regulation of retail banks?
Because current regulation is sufficient, such that nobody is upset with customer service?
Is that what you're telling me?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Or are you telling me,
I don't know what I'm talking about because I came to the same conclusion the FSA did, namely that retail banks have to be regulated to ensure adequate levels of customer service, because competition alone isn't enough to guarantee it?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm telling you that you don't know what you are talking about
because the regulation regarding switching of accounts has already been in place FOR OVER 3 YEARS
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Well that's good,
although it's not just that I think they should regulate. Switching accounts is still something you would have to actively do, it's fundamentally NOT the same thing as just going into a different shop than usual for your loaf of bread, still struggling to understand why you can't see that. But all the same.

You know what. I might actually go and put this to the test, just to see how quick and easy it really is these days. I'm not especially happy with my bank, so I don't imagine I've got much to lose by it. It will mean getting a passport first, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post I will spell it out for you:
Banks have agreed to make the process of moving an account as straightforward as possible.

In addition, our rules say that if you want to move your account to another bank, both your old and new bank must provide a prompt and efficient service.

How long will it take to move my current account to another bank?
Under banking industry guidance, switching a current account to another bank should be a simple process and the new account should be operational within ten working days of your application being approved. Sometimes getting other people to update their records with the details of your new account can take a bit longer. Your new bank will do much of the work for you.

Once your application for a new account is approved, if you wish to transfer direct debits and standing orders to the new bank account, your new bank should ask your old bank for details of them within three working days.

Your old bank should then give your new bank this information within three working days from receiving the request.

The banks will agree a date to transfer the balance – but should not charge you for making the transfer.

Your new account should be ready for use within ten working days of your application being approved.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:37, Reply)
This is a normal post TEN DAYS?
If I want to go to Morrisons instead of Sainsbury's I don't have to wait ten days.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:41, Reply)
This is a normal post You are not comparing like for like though, are you?
If you think you are, then you are a total moron.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:44, Reply)
This is a normal post No, I'm not.
No, I don't think I am.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN THE FIRST PLACE.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:46, Reply)
This is a normal post oh god
SHUT UP!!

edit: /stamps feet
 (I helped save b3ta! wideeye slightly pickled, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post NO!!!!
YOU SHUT UP!!!!
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Ssssh...
Back away quietly... He's clearly got some long-repressed anger about it and is determined to bring it to this conversation whether relevant or not.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:35, Reply)
This is a normal post *whispers*
I think he may just be allergic to stupid people.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 18:28, Reply)
This is a normal post I think what MGT was meaning...
was that if you were to move *all* of your banking to another bank it's a right royal pain in the arse. All your standing orders, all your direct debits etc. have to be moved over. Forget one? It may bounce, and it *may* harm your credit rating if it does.

Of course you can open an account with another bank whenever you like (depending on credit rating) but if you want to move your business to that bank (e.g. all the products you use) it's a bureaucratic nightmare.

Edit: damn, beaten to the reply
 (I helped save b3ta! wideeye slightly pickled, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Forget one? that's your own damn fault!
as for the rest, see above.

Plus, opening an account does not depend on credit rating. All banks must offer a basic account regardless of your credit rating. It is law.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:27, Reply)
This is a normal post I think you're straying from the point here,
nobody is saying moving your business elsewhere is impossible. But it is enough of a hassle not to be worth doing unless there was some compelling reason to do so.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:34, Reply)
This is a normal post It has been made incredibly easy
What would be your proposed 'no-hassle' solution then?
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not proposing one,
it's impossible. I can't think of any possible system where you could open an account with Barclays (with no ID), make a deposit in Lloyds, and a withdrawal from Santander. That would be a nonense.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:42, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't worry so much about ME
forgetting one. I have wanted to change banks for ages because mine is incompetent, but I just KNOW they would mess it up and I'm not financially secure enough to juggle for a month or so while it is sorted out.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:40, Reply)
This is a normal post BaCs
I'm kinda proud of this one, it works on 2 levels which is a 100% improvement on the rest of my jokes.
 (I helped save b3ta! The only Dave is pushing things forward, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:11, Reply)
This is a normal post :D

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 17:41, Reply)
This is a link post Pamplona's San Fermin Fiestas just kicked off. NSFW
Wish I was there.
NSFW because one of the photos contains the obligatory festival "on the shoulders, tee-shirt lifted, flash".

If you are lucky, and you like that sort of thing, you might be able to watch the bull running at this site. 7am UK time from tomorrow to 14 July.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:20, Reply)
This is a normal post At the mere mention of tit glimpsing
I was compelled to click that link. Bit of a where's wally to find um though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:27, Reply)
This is a normal post 5th Or 6th picture, they aren't very good ones though.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't tell her that
I imagine she holds them in quite high regard to have the confidence to flop um out in public, the poor fella punning her up there i feel sorry for.
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:37, Reply)
This is a normal post My money is on Australian
In a couple of year's time she will leave the poor chap blinded, if she tries that.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I think he'll be crushed before he is blinded, you saw how much hassle it was just freeing willy!

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:43, Reply)
This is a normal post I saw it
:(
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:27, Reply)
This is a link post Lympic torch interfered with by children in Coventry!
This happened at 7in the morning - my guess is they tried to get it through early in the morning so not many people were around, but bless the little scamps who were on their way to school!
Coventry is becoming the new Detroit, they should help it decay faster.
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:11, Reply)
This is a normal post aww
bless the little sods
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Help it decay faster with a nuke, it's the only way to be sure.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post PJ and Duncan.
Where are they now?
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 14:49, Reply)
This is a normal post
I heard they got turned away from "Browns" for being in uniform.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-18607764
 (NateGS nooob, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:02, Reply)
This is a normal post I followed that campaign
Turned in to a right slanging match on facebook in the end - BNP nutters got involved ;(
 (Oswald Mosley (((triggering))) right wing cunts on, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:22, Reply)
This is a normal post
Its always had that door policy there (i.e. we don't like how you look what you are wearing) I did quite like the place when I was in "Cov" as it had the least amount of people that wanted to beat your face in, so I guess it worked to some extent. I think the whole bandwagon broke itself with all the people that jumped on it in the end. Not sure not serving some one coffee is worth destroying a business over myself but hey ho.
 (NateGS nooob, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:48, Reply)
This is a normal post i am disappointed

(sanguine badger spirits in the room tickle you like a sneaky prawn, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Nowt new there.........
There were guys going around replacing gas meters with new one as the old type were worth alot in scrap. They did several hundred houses before the gas board even knew.

Coventry, home of the brave :)
 (Spin Its a thing., Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:10, Reply)
This is a normal post If the flame goes out by accident do they have to cancel the olympics?
Coz it's bad luck right?
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Fri 6 Jul 2012, 16:45, Reply)

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