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# Have you had legal issues with your parodies because of copyright?
The government is considering a law change giving people like us a right to parody.

I've been asked to attend an event to give evidence to civil servants to support this.

I'd like to mention some examples from B3ta. So have YOU had anything shut down over copyright?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:47, archived)
# No but I wish I could shut other people down for nicking my ideas.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:50, archived)
# DC made me take down the Hilarious Adventures of Rob Manuel cartoons
as they were mostly artwork recycled from silver-age Jimmy Olsen strips :(
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:51, archived)
# have you got any emails from them about this
you can forward me?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:53, archived)
# Haha, not really
I just wanted you to explain them to a room full of civil servants :p
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:53, archived)
# hehe
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:54, archived)
# haha that would have been hilarious :D
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:08, archived)
# On a similar vein, I'd want rob to submit this as well but, amazingly, no one's made me take it down yet.

(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:32, archived)
# Phwoar!
Ban this sick filth - but let me download a copy first!
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:38, archived)
# :D
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:17, archived)
# Robe Manuel?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:58, archived)
# I remember The Neville
had a letter from some lawyers because his stick-men looked a bit like some other stick-men that someone had elsewhere on the internets.
I don't think he shut his site down though.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:52, archived)
# can someone contact The Neville and tell him about this thread?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:53, archived)
# That wasn't really parody so much as IP infringement
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:15, archived)
# oh crap, round up all of the Kindergartners and send them to court :)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:34, archived)
# PICS OR GTFO
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:58, archived)
# still no word from Toni or the peado general over this one yet...
www.b3ta.com/board/10640738 (a gentle JP Morgan satire)

don't forget to take some Thomas Paine and Orwell quotes with you, or failing that some Alan Rickman quotes from Die Hard. The ensuing confusion and chaos may buy us some time

:P
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 10:58, archived)
# that's great Clay
never seen it before
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:01, archived)
# Like "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear."
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:02, archived)
# hahahahaha
great work
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:14, archived)
# what about asking Beau Bo D'Or
I'm sure he's had a few run ins over his political stuff
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:01, archived)
# I had a YouTube video pulled by the BBC, though the odd thing is it's now working again
it was that Fenton the dog video I stuck Mudface's dub over

That's about as exciting as it gets with me :(

(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:05, archived)
# errmm....
it's not working for me
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:18, archived)
# same here. blocked by the world service
Didn't ashens have troubles like this in the past with some of his bbc content
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:27, archived)
# Is it just image copyright or trademarks as well?
Some cuntish lawyers (sorry for redundant adjective) are like pitbulls when it comes to TM - Private Eye are always getting letters anout the use of the word 'Biro' or 'Portacabin' for example.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:05, archived)
# I'm a small fish in a bloody big pond I doubt my stuff gets enough hits to notice the Google sourced imagery
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:07, archived)
#
your ok as iron maiden images top the search but 'maiden b3ta' gets you up

Same as hooker1uk brings allsorts up
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:31, archived)
# Fox threatened me once.
For a Simpsomaker Flash thing I made many moons ago. They told me to remove it from my website or face the consequences. I did this for a month or two, but I later found out that they were so angry because I had made a Simpsons avatar creator (made by me in 2 evenings after work) and released it before they released their mega-polished simpsons avatar creator to coincide with the release of the Simpsons movie. So I put a "This is a fan-based flash and in no way associated, blah, blah" on the front and put it back on my site: www.q4nobody.co.uk/simpsomaker.html Heard nothing since, so I made a version with music for Newgrounds: www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/390034
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:08, archived)
# My only issue has been Prince
The stuff on here and I've had stuff continuously delete from Deviantart.

s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/56885/1328526874/thumb.dolphincpyrghtviolation.png
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:08, archived)
# thanks! :D
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:20, archived)
# :)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:26, archived)
# Hahahaha
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:28, archived)
# Aaah brilliant :)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:36, archived)
# heh heh heh!
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:39, archived)
[challenge entry] Also...
May I pea this here?

To save pissing on someone elses hard wok
I think it fits into the challenge....just.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:44, archived)
#
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:18, archived)
# Hahaha I knew that was disgusting
but couldn't remember what happened!
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:35, archived)
# Prince Rogers Nelson?

(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:55, archived)
#
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:03, archived)
# I've had a couple of cease and desist type things
Pukka Pies asked me to stop selling T Shirts that used one of their posters - it was more of a tribute that an parody.

DC thompson asked me to take some Oor Wullie parodies down from my website, not because they were parodies per se but because they were utter filth.

To be honest though, I thought it was fair enough in both cases.

(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:11, archived)
# Thompsons
can be a bit funny about that - they gave Viz a very hard time over their constant parodies of characters from The Beano & Dandy
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:20, archived)
# They were quite nice about it really
and I could see their point. Their issue with Viz is probably more in keeping with what Rob is looking for.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:23, archived)
# I did a youtube video
Noddy & Big Ears as gangstas - Big Ears takes
Noddy's car for a spin and puts on Busta Rhymes'
Woo-Haa! while driving recklessly.

Use of Busta was presumably fine, it's all over
the place. The problem was with Noddy.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:14, archived)
# Link?

(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:19, archived)
# (Nice) Can't link to it, it was taken down
Go Shorty still going strong
My finest hour
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:23, archived)
# Hahaha love that!
Do you make any money with a hit on YouTube? My father in law believe's it's his retirement plan and is constantly trying to catch our kids doing something funny etc? Have a Shakespeare snowman I made yesterday . . .
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:45, archived)
# Beautiful
You're invited to sign up to get money from ads
et cetera but don't qualify if you use others'
material.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:51, archived)
# Bastards!
I bet that rule doesn't apply to them making money of your video?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:00, archived)
# Inevitably
I've probably sent Fiddy a bit of trade too.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:14, archived)
# i use adsense on my other account.
put it this way one good video a week, good share subs and likes will eaaily bring in around 50-100 a month
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:35, archived)
# very good
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:34, archived)
# thanks, took about 20 minutes
carved with a broken twig
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:41, archived)
# loverly that
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:50, archived)
# Snowbard!
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:23, archived)
# hahaha
That's the name I was looking for!
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:34, archived)
# The owner of the video has not enabled use with mobile phones :-(
Or words to that effect
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:14, archived)
# hahahah
but far less offensive than those G*****ogs from the original books
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:35, archived)
# i thought we already had the right to parody?
do you have more details?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:21, archived)
# We have a right to fair use,
but there's no outright protection against copyright infringement claims over works which are parody.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:33, archived)
# so, it sounds like a clarification of fair use, including parody
it's going to get pretty complicated
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:42, archived)
# No, sorry.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:21, archived)
# I've had a couple of requests to pull Angry People in Local Newspapers content...
...from editors who do not understand the concept of "fair use" and that I am driving readers to their site. But no point creating a scene over a throwaway single-serving blog, so I tend to write back, delete the content and apologise.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:23, archived)
# Mars weren't too happy with my malteasers FP? I had a few legal letters and had to take it down off a few sites.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:23, archived)
# Oooh and a very close call with my Dark Side of the Button Moon t-shirt
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:31, archived)
# I had my tribute to Leslie Nielsen whipped away
:( Bloody got FP'd too
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:29, archived)
# Nigella's XXXmas
My Nigellas's XXXmas video was removed from youtube after the production company complained, though not before someone else ripped it and re-uploaded it. That version is still there. I've got away with everything else.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:30, archived)
# i loved her soaking her clam in her own juices.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:53, archived)
# are you the one that
did the Nick Griffin on newsnight?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:32, archived)
# Yes
Yes, that's right
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 15:05, archived)
# ..and for god's sake rob
wear a tie and not the german army helmet
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:35, archived)
# the bloke behind Simon's Cat threatened me with legal action of sorts when I did the Simons Cat/Maru mash up
probably got the emails lying around if they are any use

Is there a link to more of what is at stake available?
Are we talking about people profiting from parody or just stuff like B3ta?
If a) string 'em up (give a cut to the original artist) if b) then cheer up it's only a joke.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:44, archived)
# I've had several videos blocked in several countries.
Mostly because of use of copyrighted music. I also used to be in a double act called Whyte & Mackay who wrote to us telling us to stop using their logo on our advertising material. However, they did add that they thought our stuff was funny, so no blood was drawn.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:45, archived)
# :)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:48, archived)
# hahaha, they love a bit of B3ta

(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:22, archived)
# Love it :D
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:57, archived)
# Hahaha
Like he'd ever have got that close to the front door without MI5 shooting him first...
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 17:51, archived)
# didn't joel get a letter from thomas the tank engines lawyers
about his adult parody "thomas the wank engine"?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:49, archived)
# Hahahaha
Would have loved to see that go to court
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:28, archived)
# Yeah I never got to see that
I think he got a "think of the children" type letter from memory.
(, Tue 7 Feb 2012, 10:09, archived)
# I've had a couple videos taken down from youtube
Which not only means I'm still not allowed to be a youtube partner (whatever that may mean), but I also have the threat of losing my whole account hanging over me, which would be a serious pain in the arse considering this stuff is my job now. Both videos would have been perfectly acceptable under a fair-use type of copyright law which we don't have.

I'm pretty sure swedemason has had similar trouble.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:54, archived)
# I don't get that
Look at DJ ravine, fat aussie barstard, ray william johnson they use copyrighted material all the time and get away with it as a partner.

I would assume your channel is in good standing currently due to viewcount? I know mine was when i had copyright niggles last year
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:25, archived)
# I've spoken to people from youtube and they seem to agree thats its ridiculous but can't do anything about it
regarding those other guys I couldn't say, but if they american then they are covered by their own fair use copyright law and if they are very successful they probably have the backing of production companies that can deal directly with youtube. As usual with this business its not what you know but who you pay.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:52, archived)
#
two are australian, one with over 300 restrictions on 4 videos for music use.

It could be an idea to pal up to the fat aussie barstard on there as he has a lot of contacts in youtubes us HQ (and seems to get people partnered at the drop of an email)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 21:51, archived)
# My youtube video of the pope's visit
got restricted by Sky News so it can only be seen in the UK.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESCOJVkTrMQ
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 11:57, archived)
# except i can see it in oz
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:10, archived)
# Odd
I got a bunch of notifications that Sky News Scotland had laid claim to the video and it would not be shown outside the UK. I haven't logged into my youtube account since they locked out 3rd party emails so I can't tell if that's changed.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:33, archived)
#
I can see it from Canada.
(, Wed 8 Feb 2012, 23:03, archived)
# I can see it
in the uk
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:23, archived)
# Jordan and Harvey
We had an exhibition a few years ago based on Bad Taste. Ben drew a crude (in execution, not in nature) naked picture and then glued a torn picture from a magazine of Harvey's head on top. A lady emailed us (probably came via our Top Tips pages) saying it was disgusting what we did and we should remove it. We paid no attention until a couple of days later Jordan's people emailed us and threatened legal action unless we took it off the blog. We did as it was a shit picture and it wasn't worth the bother.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:06, archived)
# Joel had to take down his thomas the wank engine
and wildyles had a cease and desist from malteasers about his ratpoo anim
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:33, archived)
# I recall that he's reposted that on here a few times
while adorned with a cheeky grin :)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:42, archived)
# Transport for London
Transport for London DMCA-ed Google Sites because I had a copy of the Anagram Tube Map on it. This was at a time when they were DMCA-ing anyone who dared host it (which is why I mirrored it - bullying against fair use), so I wish the person with the version from this week's newsletter all the very best of luck with Virgin Media's legal department.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:58, archived)
# I've said this to a few people presenting evidence to the committee
...but so far nobody has said they are brave enough to mention the two infringing images on this page news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8601781.stm

I'd really love it if you pointed out that under ACTA (which makes copyright infringement a crime not a civil matter) anyone could have called the police and demanded jail sentences for the creators of those images, unless there is an explicit exemption in copyright law for parodies.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:58, archived)
# Are you sure...
...that they're not going to just get you in a place where they can slap the cuffs on you and haul you off somewhere to atone for your crimes against the establishment?

Maybe they've got a double ready to come and take over B3ta and bend it to government propaganda.

Or maybe theyre just interested in your views...
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 12:59, archived)
# basically there's a group called Open Rights Group
who campaign on digital rights issues. They encouraged me to write to Gov on this issue.

Because I did so the civil servants are now just doing their job of getting interested parties in to talk about it.

Although it's not generally shouted about from the roof tops (and it should be) this is part of the democratic process. Governments think up policy. Interested parties chip in (including you or me should we present ourselves with something relevant to issue) then it's voted upon to be made law.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:20, archived)
# amazing isnt it...
we collectively take little to no interest in how our country is being run for 40 odd years...and the democratic process goes to shit!
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 15:44, archived)
# You missed out
and generally ignore what the population think.

At last that's what seems to happen at local government level around here.

oo I can feel a parody coming on...
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 19:54, archived)
# The 'monopoly/supermarket' pic thing you helped out with a year or so back
would that be suitable?
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:10, archived)
# yes it would
and is one of the few that come to mind that really fit
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:14, archived)
# Go for it.
give me a shout if you need anything, although you probably don't
as they emailed you and not me.

EDIT: Quick google image search turned up this cocknugget who sold T-Shirts with the image on
cocknugget ebay page
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 13:26, archived)
# I lost my whole You Tube account
but to be fair, that was simply because I used music without permission. On the '3 strikes' rule I was got by Sam Cooke, Prince and the Drifters. Warners block stuff but don't really give me a hard time over it.
Perhaps more interestingly, to get around this issue I started to sing the songs myself, only to find I was STILL in trouble because people had copyrighted the arrangement! They don't ban them but they get the advert revenue, which I suppose is fair enough.
I did have mails from Willie Nelson, Marillion and Jona Lewie all saying they didn't mind at all, and Willie Nelson even put my video on the front page of his site.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 14:02, archived)
# I once had a little toy that scraped BBC News and replaced sad words (like 'kill' and 'gang rape')
with nice words (like 'hug' and 'nice party'). It would replace links so every article you clicked would be equally jolly and it was called 'BBC Fluffy News', I posted it here many many many years ago. I very quickly had an email from an editor on the BBC News website instructing me to take it down. This was such a long time ago I have no pictures, names nor emails, but I thought it might be interesting as it involves the BBC.

Ignoring the issue of copyright (which *was* the reason they gave), I do think it ran the risk of being rather offensive, so maybe they didn't want to be involved in that. HTH.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 15:14, archived)
# Electech
and the 'dr' Mckieth thing is surely an excellent case in point
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 16:16, archived)
# Dunno if this counts
But I had to remove my Fainting Goat Kittens (getting shot) from youtube. Edward Scarr, the kitten man said it was copyright infringement and youtube upheld it.



(it's here now: www.wastedspace.co.uk/cms/2011/07/11/fainting-goat-kittens-shot/ )


i couldnt even watch this remake of these poor kittens, god will remember what you have done here. out of compassion and respect for the owners and the kittens, you should remove this video asap! you are not a funny person in the least. i applaud the people that cared for these little guys. not everyone likes cats, i agree, but they area life and you dont have the right to explode them like this. maybe you can sleep at night for what you have done! sick people!


(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 16:22, archived)
# l.l
That pingu thing was taken off youtube for copyright claims by HiT entertainment
www.b3ta.com/links/Pingus_THE_THING
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 17:03, archived)
# That sucks
Pinguthing rocks
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 17:26, archived)
# *this*
They might have been able to claim some kind of trademark issue. (it was missing a "PINGU property of..." disclaimer)

But copyright? Abuse of the takedown system, no contest.

I think this is a fantastic example of why parody should explicitly be permitted.

Also consider: Pingu's THE THING is a pretty small production, but stuff like Robot Chicken and Family Guy would also be eligible and deserving of explicit protection.
(, Tue 7 Feb 2012, 1:00, archived)
# None myself, but I remember swedemason had trouble with his "Schofield on crack" video.
And a non-b3ta but very prominent example was the "Newport State of Mind" parody a while back, which got millions of views and made the papers before being pulled from YouTube on copyright grounds. www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2010/aug/11/newport-state-of-mind-youtube
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 17:23, archived)
# I received an email instructing me to take down a pic of Gordon Brown,
based on the naked Johnny Vegas Observer magazine cover photo.

This was after I advised someone who wanted to use it to approach the original photographer to discuss terms & that I couldn't/wouldn't charge for the photomontage.

2007 - I have the email from the photographer's representative saying "you are therefore in breach of EU copyright law and are committing a criminal offence."
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 19:26, archived)
# I also had my Trainspotting/MPs expenses video taken down
by YouTube after it had been running for a few weeks and after Channel 4 had its logo put adjacent to the video while it was up. (I think Trainspotting was C4 Films)
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 19:29, archived)
# I made a parody of the government's rape awareness posters
Changed the text to "It's not rape if you shout surprise first" and submitted it as an illustration for the sick joke book.

Rob asked me if he could include it, but I had to change the background picture to something royalty free.

Spoiled the whole effect really.
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 19:38, archived)
# I had a parody removed..
..from Amiright.com - one of over a thousand I've written. Amiright, a US-hosted website, received a cease and desist notice from Warner Chappell, a US company, to take down the parody based on British law.

We caved to the pressure because even though there was not a hope in hell of WC (now there's an appropriate pair of initials if ever there was one) winning, it would have cost both me and the chap who runs amiright time and money (both of which are in very short supply).

The parody was a Noel Coward one - "Don't Let's Be Beastly To The Muslims", and led to another parody to the same song "Don't Let's Be Beasts To Warner Chappell".

I've written to ask at least a dozen copyright owners of songs I want to parody, nearly all of which didn't even bother replying.. so technically my first CD is largely copyright infringements. So I haven't sold many (sigh).

I've also had many a parody submission turned down by shows such as Bremner, Bird and Fortune for permission reasons rather than quality ones - Disney, for example, as a copyright holder never seem to give permission for their songs to be parodied (which is a shame, because they're such great parody material).
(, Mon 6 Feb 2012, 21:42, archived)
# A few things, most notably my Disturbing Strokes video where I swapped the theme for a schlocky 70s horror film soundtrack and changed it somewhat.
It had 310,000 views before it got yoinked (within hours of Gary Coleman dying oddly), though it survives in different ways on my channel:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc61KYSYNkE
(, Tue 7 Feb 2012, 0:52, archived)
#
I had this clip was removed (from youtube) within 15 seconds. Presumably the BBC/ youtube have some sort of automatic take down mechanism.

vimeo.com/33671402
(, Tue 7 Feb 2012, 20:41, archived)
# Copy shmoppy - make something new out of it!
hey rob. as u know from the last newsletter I'm working on the news remix show for Mondo Media. second episode is almost done. I am operating under fair use using no more than 10 seconds from each media source. I send all the drafts to a lawyer to check if I'm infringing. So far I have been only shut down on using footage of people who are not public figures so now I just obscure their faces with silly glasses. Without these kinds of allowances I couldn't do my job in the remix fuckery visual youtube world.
(, Wed 8 Feb 2012, 0:37, archived)
#
Not me personally but the bbc restricted the wedding footage for parody purposes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=37ZVg5g1rGU
(, Wed 8 Feb 2012, 17:08, archived)
# Not for parody reasons, but for mood music reasons
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5RlHgMVQ7w

From a boat I took some video of whales. I was unconscious of the fact that mood music from the Gipsy Kings was playing on the boat. Despite very weak viewership, this fact was somehow discovered, and now the video can't be played in Germany.
(, Wed 8 Feb 2012, 23:55, archived)
# Pingu The Thing (as featured in a recent newsletter) has been taken down on YouTube due to a copyright claim...
(, Thu 9 Feb 2012, 3:51, archived)