
This is exactly the reason why people who sit near me wonder why I keep laughing at my computer all day. DOUBLE WOO!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:41,
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good, but I wish I had the tools here to make it into an animation.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:42,
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I'd say the best of both worlds and therefore perfect B3ta material.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:43,
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He had to go back to hospital after a week to get it readjusted cos he'd been fucking about with the screws.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:52,
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The appostraphy in You're replaces the A in You Are, therefore, it was originally correct. Because it's short for "you are all gay"
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:40,
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That is fantastic.
I now almost believe it was worth getting up this morning.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:48,
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I now almost believe it was worth getting up this morning.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally????
well I never
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:41,
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well I never

cliqueyness, thinks seemed to have calmed down somewhat recently.
I is glad.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:45,
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I is glad.

although there's still something to be said for lurking for a while, and not sticking your neck out too far until you get the rhythm of the place. Oh arses to it, lets all have a disco.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:47,
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sadly not.
I have no money at all, sorry.
I know how much you will all miss me.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:55,
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I have no money at all, sorry.
I know how much you will all miss me.

I just need a familiar and I'm sorted.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:47,
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when the word "You're" is placed in front of "all gay" it becomes "Your".
Its old law, or charter, or something...
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:41,
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Its old law, or charter, or something...

THE LIST
A list of people unable or unwilling to understand sarcasm
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:50,
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A list of people unable or unwilling to understand sarcasm

No, that's the correct useage. B3ta spelling, dontcha know. All stems from a troll leaving the post 'your all gay', which we took and made our own.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:42,
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i never knew that, but i should have guessed
dsf adsfg afg fg!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:45,
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dsf adsfg afg fg!

A small typo almost ruined Disney's latest blockbuster...

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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:32,
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tis a grand old entry, welcome to b3ta, try and leave, and we'll make ya walk the plank.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:37,
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Don't forget International Talk Like a Pirate Day, coming soon:
www.talklikeapirate.com
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:40,
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www.talklikeapirate.com

We've been looking forward to it since last years.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:43,
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where you explained atletico b3ta in your profile for reference.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:33,
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but if they are, they must be stupid, and so deserve to be left confused.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:36,
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so we know who's coming.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:40,
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but would make my profile messy, and I can't really do any other web stuff from work. If someone wants to knock up a list on their webspace, I'll provide the names and link to it.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:42,
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(I do get the awful pun - well done!)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:31,
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Maybe I'm just paranoid.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:46,
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i can't imagine it will make my pictures any better though.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:21,
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that you can't do with fireworks?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:23,
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I can't make anything half as professional as they get on here.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:24,
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so you don't need the mighty photoshop to make decent suff
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:30,
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i downloaded something called ulead photoimpact which is quite similar, and i normally only use it for drawing pictures.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:34,
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yes, YES!!
It's like magic magic MAGIC!!
A HA HA HA HA
MAGIC!!!
*waggles fingers*
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:24,
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It's like magic magic MAGIC!!
A HA HA HA HA
MAGIC!!!
*waggles fingers*

and you do not have The List, you monkey.
I have the lists, note, lists, there's more than one.
Durr.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:28,
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I have the lists, note, lists, there's more than one.
Durr.

or your lists.
just maybe.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:30,
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just maybe.

everything revolves around me cos I'm fucking great. plum boy.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:32,
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i have the list for him, and also he named 'the list' for reference so it'd be easier for understanding.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:39,
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which is nice. Photoshop 7 has some tools which fireworks lacks I think, and there are more readily available effects and filters too I think. Can you save action sequences in fireworks?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:24,
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so probably not. But this is the best Ive done with it so far:
www.b3ta.com/board/1888721
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:26,
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www.b3ta.com/board/1888721

more than i should. mind you, did you see janet ellis on tv last night? the years have not been so kind...
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:28,
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Felicity Kendall (or Flickery Candle as I have now dubbed her) on telly t'other night.
Old, but still...cor.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:31,
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Old, but still...cor.

there's someting not right in fancying someone the same age as my mum, but she still had it
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:33,
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hvae fond memories of the GOod Life...mainly cosit was on telly last week.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:36,
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is precisely as good as anything needs to be, ever :)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:28,
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fireworks is a web image creation tool, photoshop is an image manipulation tool.
Short answer - Yes.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:25,
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Short answer - Yes.

How does fireworks rate against paint shop pro and photoshop? I have fireworks, but haven't used it yet.
ta, Little D
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:30,
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ta, Little D

Photoshop has the edge (better interface, better brushes, better third party support, and is much faster)
Fireworks is better for animation though (and is web orientated). The only thing it lacks if a import function for video (I am SO glad that ImageReady can do that; I would be shafted if it didn't)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:32,
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Fireworks is better for animation though (and is web orientated). The only thing it lacks if a import function for video (I am SO glad that ImageReady can do that; I would be shafted if it didn't)

a spoken agreement is not worth the paper it isn't written on.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:46,
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(wtf is all about, mein interrogator?)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:52,
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but you will feel your images are better cos you blown a sodding fortune on photoshop
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:23,
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there was a unnoticeable effect on my bank balance in getting hold of my copy

be surprised , it can cover up all manner of cock handedness !
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:24,
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put a swear word over a picture of a celebrity and say they shouldn't be on telly.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:25,
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need to reinstall tonight :(
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:22,
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Now, can anyone tell me either:
a) Where Internet Explorer stores the image when you right click on an image and say "set as background"
or
b) The linky to Dr Phils Indiana Jones kitten
I want to change my wallpaper but don't want to lose Dr Phils pic
Edit: Don't panic, I've found it!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:23,
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a) Where Internet Explorer stores the image when you right click on an image and say "set as background"
or
b) The linky to Dr Phils Indiana Jones kitten
I want to change my wallpaper but don't want to lose Dr Phils pic
Edit: Don't panic, I've found it!

go to your desktop properties, relevant pane, and it should tell you. Maybe.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:25,
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"Internet Explorer Wallpaper".
It'll be either a JPEG or a Bitmap file somewhere on your machine, probably in your WINDOWS directory.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:26,
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It'll be either a JPEG or a Bitmap file somewhere on your machine, probably in your WINDOWS directory.

with an interweb connection to every one of you.
You have been warned.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:32,
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You have been warned.

never nasty to people.
You hate me now, right?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:37,
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You hate me now, right?

Of course not! I am just joshing. But now you are in my little book of people who i will get one day.....
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:38,
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I'm having a cheese & black pepper muffin in a minute
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:23,
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hahahahahahahahahahahagetafuckingjob.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:24,
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and therefore adobe are recomending you download and patch the demo*
*may not be true
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:23,
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*may not be true

is access to google image search and several hours of boerdom to fill every day at work...
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:22,
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and ever, and ever, and ever..
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:17,
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don't make a mess, unless you smash them really good 'un proper
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:32,
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Terry and Gabby Show starts in a couple of minutes.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:12,
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I thought Isthisyou said he would be on at 10:15.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:15,
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BB2 winner with delusions of adequacy who hosts Ri:Se in the mornings.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:14,
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I realised last night how much crap was in my head when I watched "the curse of blue peter" and "the a-z of celebrity nudity" and realised that I was able to predict everything to my g/f before it came on.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:28,
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that i know all the words to the theme tune to the fresh prince of bel-air.
i didn't know that i knew it.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:30,
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i didn't know that i knew it.

I think we'll be playing in the famous 1-10 headless chicken formation.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:18,
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..........just practising
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:20,
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the last time i played a proper game of footy i started at left back and was cack. then i switched to right-wing and scored two and set up a third insinde the next five minutes.
this might have been because they'd changed their left-back as well - who's to know?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:21,
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this might have been because they'd changed their left-back as well - who's to know?

Hoping for a big squad to allow rolling subs, seeing as it's the day after the bash......
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:22,
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we can have a b3ta v b3ta game...
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:28,
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Nah. But you have a point. It is fun though. I think this is more b3tan, saying that they were kiddy-fiddlers would be pop biatch!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:15,
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I went outside for a fag, and mid drag I turned round to be confronted by the woman who plays Gail in Corrie walking past me. At this point every jok Jim Shelly ever made about her looking like a cut mushroom or a patronising pigeon came flooding back, and I spluttered, choked, and ended up doubled up on the pavement wheezing. She looked rather alarmed and scurried off.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:21,
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I read that as 'cunt mushroom', which doesn't even bear worth thinking about.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:27,
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TV is a kiddy fiddler. It's a requirement for the job.
I don't find it that funny, that's all.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:22,
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I don't find it that funny, that's all.

She was a person they interviewed for Sky One's 'Weren't the nineties great? Let's have a cheap programme full of stuff from three years ago and interview z list celebrities' show, ergo she must be important and knowledgable.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:14,
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Am I alone in this?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:15,
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...but you occasionally get to see her under-crackers, which is nice.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:16,
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stir in a crushed clove of garlic
and 3-4 tablespoons of tahini paste
and 3-4 tablespoons of olive oil
add salt and pepper to taste
= hummus
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:08,
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and 3-4 tablespoons of tahini paste
and 3-4 tablespoons of olive oil
add salt and pepper to taste
= hummus

8 oz (225g) chick peas
1 onion, very finely chopped
1 garlic clove, crushed
1 slice of white bread, soaked in a little water
1/4 tsp. cayenne
1 tsp. coriander, ground
1 tsp. cumin, ground
2 tbsp parsley, finely chopped
salt, to taste
oil for frying
and thaaaat's how you make falafel
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:12,
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1 onion, very finely chopped
1 garlic clove, crushed
1 slice of white bread, soaked in a little water
1/4 tsp. cayenne
1 tsp. coriander, ground
1 tsp. cumin, ground
2 tbsp parsley, finely chopped
salt, to taste
oil for frying
and thaaaat's how you make falafel

I can't believe nobody's posted the recipe for hummus before.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:10,
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posted it million times before.
edit: damn you and you're edit button.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:11,
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edit: damn you and you're edit button.

she's shit at Hummus, but she does do a good Toad in the Hole.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:20,
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1 tin of kittens blended with the juice of a giraffe
Stir in a crushed baby's face
and 3-4 tablespoons of sharks and helicopters
and 3-4 tablespoons of mixed memes
fluffy and furtive to taste
=hummus
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:12,
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Stir in a crushed baby's face
and 3-4 tablespoons of sharks and helicopters
and 3-4 tablespoons of mixed memes
fluffy and furtive to taste
=hummus

please!
I want Winky.
www.wonderfarms.com/
And this site rocks like unsteady circular cheese.
www.apakstudio.com/studio/apakstudio.html
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:02,
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I want Winky.
www.wonderfarms.com/
And this site rocks like unsteady circular cheese.
www.apakstudio.com/studio/apakstudio.html

I bet you want one you dirty dirty man.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:09,
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although I think that robot one wasn't made by that 12 yearold

If you rub Pinky's speical spot?
These are dirty dirty creatures!
edit I love the music though
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:11,
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These are dirty dirty creatures!
edit I love the music though

I had a weird dream last night that Slim was the third member of my flat, but that we never ever saw him. The only evidence that he still lived there at all was a growing pile of Batman comic books.
B3ta dreams are weird, but cool.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:00,
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B3ta dreams are weird, but cool.

noticably without any mention of Batman comics!!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:02,
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You really do have a picture for every occasion, dontcha.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:09,
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I once had a dream nightmare where my girlfriend was helping me to do goatse for my family.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:03,
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...I dreamt that the Cheeky Girls held me down, shaved off my pubic hair then roughed me up a bit.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:05,
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Better watch your back.

... my sister finally gave birth yesterday amid much family hoopla.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:08,
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Congrats Uncle Chthonic. I bet it takes them a while to learn to spell your name, though.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:08,
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Amy Jane which makes me think of The Waltons more than it should.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:11,
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...or Jim Bob - much more Waltons than Amy Jane.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:13,
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Mine is still doing a no-show. We have run out of ideas for natural induction and are both getting quite frustrated and angry. Hence my general demeanour and unfluffiness on b3ta for the last while.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:12,
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and that your sister stared at you blankly.
congratulations to all.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:16,
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congratulations to all.

kind of like rathergood's kittens. That freaked me out.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:05,
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![Challenge Entry: Hollywood Premakes [challenge entry]](/images/board_posticon_c.gif)
Not sure about this ... it's an obscure
movie, the chance of anyone recognising
Isaac Newtons face is small, and it's
not exactly a "premake"...

Should I compo it?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:59,
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movie, the chance of anyone recognising
Isaac Newtons face is small, and it's
not exactly a "premake"...

Should I compo it?

manufacturing.stanford.edu/
Huge videos on how stuff is made, including chocolate, motorbikes and plastic bottles.
Interesting in a dull kind of way, very long downloads though.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:58,
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Huge videos on how stuff is made, including chocolate, motorbikes and plastic bottles.
Interesting in a dull kind of way, very long downloads though.

have just 4rthured you the URL as I figured that you would be the only one who would be interested.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:01,
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i think its disgusting and cruel

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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:55,
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going on for a while. How many people are there on telly exactly? The only ones who should be allowed on are Anna Ford, and that new bird off newsround.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:52,
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I am looking forward to my own personal cathartic bandwagon/high-horse!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:53,
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the other day to say he'd just been nearly run over by Adam Hart Davis
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:04,
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it's difficult to spot him though. I guess that explains his low strike rate.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:14,
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then, 'cos that cunt Chris Evans has taken himself off the TV as well
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:58,
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and I'll agree with them all.
Woo
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:53,
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Woo

I was only on crimewatch so it doesn't count.
EDIT: Ah - redex gone! That was my birthday card. You can't use that against me!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:56,
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EDIT: Ah - redex gone! That was my birthday card. You can't use that against me!

Even CGI representations of him should be utterley destroyed!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:55,
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you can see the board meeting:
'lets fuck the company up with yet more who gives u extra adverts, but this time, we'll hire some CG muppets to do it'
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:57,
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'lets fuck the company up with yet more who gives u extra adverts, but this time, we'll hire some CG muppets to do it'

only one group I insist upon being permitted, whether you like it or not, and that's the cast of Spaced. Particularly the sexy gorgeous Simon Pegg...
*drools*
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:56,
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*drools*

Can you please add the kid from the Orange phone ads to your list ....
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:58,
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Looks like Uncle Herbert has a date. And Veronica is one classy lady.

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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:44,
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I haven't been in these parts much for a few weeks.
I've got real work to do. It's a crasy hardcore way of life!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:55,
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I've got real work to do. It's a crasy hardcore way of life!

And what a great one it was/is to wake up to Irre.
I've got to grips with the m3tatweening at last btw and it's looking good :)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:49,
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I've got to grips with the m3tatweening at last btw and it's looking good :)

morning mr sheep! wonderful picture!
morning to everyone else while im at it too!
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:45,
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morning to everyone else while im at it too!

i'm glad i've not got an arrow, means i don't have to run
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:54,
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my dancing of grand fabulousness helps keep me fit
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:55,
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so come the weekend i will be a supreme athlete
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:57,
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as that's what I happen to use on Champ manager 4. The formation will be 1-10 in some loose rabble ;)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:57,
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10 fat kids chasing the ball around.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:58,
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"Chimp on a ship manager" in which you have to click furiously on chimps, who are bailing out your sinking pirate vessel.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:02,
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it was a nice proper pirate film, i'd have preferred a parrot maybe though.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:04,
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both of which added to the dynamic of the screen play.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:08,
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I'll tell you for definate whether I can make it to th footy or not in a couple of days, but I'll probably be driving from Liverpool if anybody wants a lift? Bit of a b3ta road trip?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:59,
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I'll hop in, as might PMGT if there's room. Give me a shout when you decide.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:12,
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I heartily suggest four, I'll check numbers and get back to you.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:14,
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She went for shiatsu induction accu-massage last night and the sicklet is still having none of it.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:55,
archived)

liquorice brought on labour. It doesn't work. I now have a fear of all things liquorice though...
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:58,
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If I had a mouthful of something I'd have spat it all over the place.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:53,
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Nice paintmash. Welcome :)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:44,
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'sunshine elephant in disguise!'
If he/she was then it would be smothered in cack poetry.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:46,
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If he/she was then it would be smothered in cack poetry.

you'll enjoy it here. B3ta chicks are officially HOT.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:49,
archived)

Oh God, we're gonna get investigated by the Daily Mail...
;-)
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:49,
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;-)

womb, womb
To the internet chat room
room room.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:56,
archived)
To the internet chat room
room room.

*twiddles mustachio*
I'm sorry, welcome to B3ta, pull up a Marmot, put your feet on a Yak and make yourself at home.

let your Marmots and your Yak out of your home once in a while... they need to see the sky
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:52,
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ALL ANIMALS USING FINGER MAGIC!!
A HA HA HA
FINGER MAGIC!!
EVEN NOW AN ARMY OF ANGRY CHICKENS ARE HEADING TO YOUR HOUSE!!!!!
and you can't run
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:58,
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A HA HA HA
FINGER MAGIC!!
EVEN NOW AN ARMY OF ANGRY CHICKENS ARE HEADING TO YOUR HOUSE!!!!!
and you can't run

your chickens are no match for my chicken pacifying plastic ring, they will come under my control and will bring about your downfall....
mmmwwwwhhaaa haaa haaa haaa
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 10:02,
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mmmwwwwhhaaa haaa haaa haaa

watch out for the b3ta boys, I'll wager they'll be all over you like a rash.
edit: see?
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:51,
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edit: see?

little girl...will you be my friend...I have cheese, all the cheese in the world.
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Tue 2 Sep 2003, 9:57,
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