(god save the queenmaking another unremarkable comeback,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:09,
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I heartily applaud such behaviour.
And will reward with a cup of lovely tea.
(Captain Wowcurrently being a cunt in Infamous,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:10,
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and panties?
(god save the queenmaking another unremarkable comeback,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:11,
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In the cup or on the saucer like a lovely cow biscuit?
(Captain Wowcurrently being a cunt in Infamous,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:12,
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i think i love you.
(god save the queenmaking another unremarkable comeback,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:13,
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:-) so what are you so afr*gags self*
I tell you what, I'll make a little package for the cow biscuits using the panties as wrapping paper and some worn stockings to tie it all together with.
(Captain Wowcurrently being a cunt in Infamous,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:15,
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hahaha
(mutster101fell over,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:19,
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this comment is sexy.
(drbroonabloooobloobloo,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:11,
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Now I've got mental images of yourself and GSTQ
dancing around like the girls in the Windowlicker video. With the bikinis.
*shuts eyes and smiles happily*
(Captain Wowcurrently being a cunt in Infamous,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 14:13,
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And because of the face I don't feel so mental wandering around the house, waffling to him and saying 'come on Henry, we've got to snort the bathroom now'.
(Captain Wowcurrently being a cunt in Infamous,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:33,
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I'm glad I'm not the only one to have that reaction, it gives me serious fear too. He slips way too far down in his seat, I doubt he was ever in any real danger but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have felt like that to him, and even watching it is scary. She's a fucking insensitive moron.
I've just been with the missus to the tattoo establishment, finalising his request and he's getting it done tomorrow :D It's a bit different to the one you designed, but still keeping excellent elements you put in, it should look pretty damn fine!
(prodigy69broke b3ta and made everyone leave,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:24,
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There is a scooter
shop round the corner from me called Dave Dee and Dozy's :) Dont worry though, its a good scooter shop. They have an awesome The Nice Vespa in there :)
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:06,
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Hahaha!
(Captain Wowcurrently being a cunt in Infamous,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:07,
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All "atheists" are ignorantly arrogant agnostics.
Woo to your pic.
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:07,
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Ummm...
No they aren't.
An agnostic is someone who hasn't decided. An atheist has at least one belief - to wit, that there is no god.
My belief that there are no fairies at the bottom of the garden does not belie agnosticism on the matter. I'm really certain that there is none. Equally, my belief that there is no god does not belie agnosticism on that matter.
If you can provide me with evidence for god's existence, I might reconsider my position. As things stand, I see none. Ball in your court.
/moderate rant /oooh, the words!
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:16,
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You are completely right.
Sorry.
Atheism is indeed simply another belief system - just like the basis of all major religions.
There is no evidence for either the existence or non-existence of god.
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:20,
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Not really.
Atheism is not just another religion. It's more of a "refusal-of-belief" system - or, at most, a "tries-to-believe-only-that-for-which-there's-evidence" system.
Occam's razor, an' all that.
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:22,
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It's absolutely a belief.
It's the belief that there is no god.
Otherwise, one is an agnostic.
(Or believes there is a god, obviously).
All religions are based on belief.
Well - that and strong social control mechanisms.
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:23,
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or a nihilist
in which case,if you are,just stay the fuck away from reality.you talk too much sense.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:24,
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...
Nope. You're conflating a positive belief ("the world is thus-and-so") with a negative belief ("the world is not thus-and-so"). Atheism, qua atheism, is a negative belief.
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:26,
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heh.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:28,
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Hahahaha
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:32,
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Just because it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God
does not make it an even, 50-50 likelihood one way or the other.
I think most atheists would accept that no-one can ever know for sure, but base their position on an overwhelming lack of evidence for God's existence, rather than any dogmatic belief system.
I don't refuse to believe in God, I just haven't been given a convincing reason to do so.
Whether or not you consider this position to be truly atheist or not is more an argument of semantics, rather than theology.
and you don't need evidence for something's non-existence. If you think that something exists, demonstrate it. If not, it doesn't.
A world in which things exist unless they can be proven not to would be a very cluttered world indeed.
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:24,
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Er...
You can't prove the existence of anything. You can only state firm belief.
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:25,
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But
I have no problem with an inability to prove the existence of anything. Adherence to the prinicple of falsifiability makes for good science, good argument, and intellectual good taste.
All my beliefs are provisional. I'll update them as necessary. It's for that reason that god doesn't feature therein.
But you can do more than state firm belief. You can cite reasons. I wouldn't be happy with a statment like "I believe x" - I'd want "I believe x because... and here's why not-x is implausible."
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:29,
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depends.
if you're a twunt,things exist by proxy of your empirical knowledge of them.if you're a scientist,things cannot be ruled out in every case. i'm hungry.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:30,
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As am I
I feel I may have to abandon this contretemps in favour of buying some lunch.
Toodle-oo!
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:32,
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Doesn't logic dictate that everything is possible?
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:33,
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not unless
they changed the rules of logic while i was in the bathroom.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:34,
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So some things are absolutely impossible?
Where does this put the parallel universes and realities ideas then?
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:36,
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logic,n.
a system of evaluation of proposed theories which are tested based on empirical knowledge and subject to cross-references with systematic inference. parallel universes?Star Trek.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:37,
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All universes...
All universes must be possible universes, and some things are just impossible. For example, a gold mountain may exist in some possible universes, and not in others. But in all possible universes, it must either exist or not exist. There are some statements - "A golden mountain both exists and doesn't exist" - that can never be true.
(Admittedly, this is taking me back to fresher metaphysics, and that was a long time ago. But I think the prinicple is right.)
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:47,
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(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:33,
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Yeah, if you consider everything except possibly math a belief, then atheism is a belief.
In a more useful definition of "prove" you can prove that many things exist in the world with as much certainty as you can prove that the world itself exists.
A positive claim of existence requires evidence, otherwise you're just making things up. Atheists don't think there is enough evidence to prove that god exists or even to make it relatively likely that (s)he exists.
If there is no evidence to think something exists, the default position should be that it doesn't. This is not a belief system, it's one of the basic mechanisms for rational thought.
The agnostics are the ones that either think there is inconclusive evidence, or they refuse to apply to god the same mechanisms of thought the apply to everything else. The atheists just say god does not exists.
It is impossible to PROVE that something does not exist
But until you prove that it DOES exist, it doesn't.
And even then, God doesn't...
(Professor Yafflenow with added sodium,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:31,
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So, until we built the hubble, much of the universe didn't exist?
I see.
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:34,
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correct.
It's down to quantum theory and schroedinger and other philosophical examples.
Nothing exists until it is observed. And you change its state merely by observing it.
If a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
The answer can be 'yes' or 'it is impossible to know' depending on your viewpoint. Or even 'the tree does not exist as it is not being observed'...
(Professor Yafflenow with added sodium,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:36,
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quantum theory
is only relevant to small real-time particles,and is a theory. in Newtonian physics,the tree makes a sound,based on kinetics,potential,and sound energy theorems.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:39,
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quantum theory
applies to everything.
all large things are made of smaller things. so the rules that apply to the small things will affect the larger things they make up, even if not in the same way.
(Professor Yafflenow with added sodium,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:41,
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...
No it doesn't.
A grand unified theory would apply to everything, but medium-sized solid objects are relentlessly classical.
Were that it were different. I'd get a lot more done in a day.
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:48,
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ah,
now, thats chaos theory at its finest hour. unfortunately,i hate chaos theory.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:48,
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...
Sounds like someone has a dose of the Berkeleys...
For myself, I'm a bit of a Kant...
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:50,
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...
We had plenty of evidence for all kinds of stuff before Hubble. We now have more evidence. We are edging towards certainty on many things. But we can never say that we've got there.
There's a difference between what exists, and what we can say to exist. It's the latter clause that's important here. "Whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must pass over in silence" captures it, I think.
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:44,
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now that
is a glorious seam of sense in a gravel mine of inaccurate theory.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:50,
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...
If only I could claim it as mine. Sadly, 'tis Wittgenstein (Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, para 7).
(Enzymeis powered by sunlight,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:53,
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as philosophers go
i prefer Lao Tze.
(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:56,
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(Fuckpig"That's not even a pound a midget.",
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:12,
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While I respect Bowie and like some of his music
He's done 37 albums, which I discovered when I downloaded his back catalogue for Mrs Vagabond. Now, whenever I put iTunes on random invariably every third song is a BLOODY David Bowie song.
And frankly I'm sick of him.
(Je suis un vagabondis an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:15,
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Ha trick question!
Bowie is god
Airheads blog
(riverghostservicing your mum since,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:20,
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(JollyJack- a stench from the past,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:06,
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needs more denizens, fucknut ;P
and milly and rupe
(prodigy69broke b3ta and made everyone leave,
Fri 22 Feb 2008, 13:07,
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