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This is a link post Stockhausen - Helicopter String Quartet live stream.
Precisely that.
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:17, Reply)
This is a normal post That's not something you see every day

(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:25, Reply)
This is a normal post dissapointing, I heard about that earlier in the week and thought they'd be dangling underneath the choppers

(Mehitabel_Itrang, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, I share your disappointment. I thought theyd be suspended by cats

(augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:43, Reply)
This is a link post List of Lists of Lists
came across this on wikipedia. However on closer perusal it appears less likely a list of lists of lists than a list of lists with less lists of lists listed on its list
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:41, Reply)
This is a normal post
list of lists listed in lists
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:44, Reply)
This is a normal post its leaning to one side
i think it has a list
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:14, Reply)
This is a normal post listing list of lists of lists

(I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:30, Reply)
This is a normal post On W
There is a list of websites. I thought that was just the internet.
 (PunkDaddy NullPointerException, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Everyone knows that the internet is a series of tub
-girls
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:11, Reply)
This is a normal post woah
so meta
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:11, Reply)
This is a normal post There are lists in that link

(I helped save b3ta! Flash_Bastard, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:12, Reply)
This is a normal post That nothing, I went to an "Issues in Bacteriology" conference where a Red dwarf actor gave the keynote speech
Lister listed listless listeria
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:23, Reply)
This is a normal post he gets about a bit.
I saw him talk unenthusiastically about a certain classical pianists techniques for ensuring he didn't miss out a task or item of shopping - on board a cruise ship during some mildly stormy weather.

I listened to Lister listlessly listing Liszts lists while listing.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Christ. I surrender

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:36, Reply)
This is a normal post I want to have sex with you two

(PunkDaddy NullPointerException, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 22:09, Reply)
This is a normal post disappointing list of lists
so many other lists that went unlisted. here's a short list.
-lists of famous lists in history
-lists of lists that haven't been listed
-lists of people with lisps
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:52, Reply)
This is a normal post you may enjoy reading this
www.amazon.com/Bibliography-Bibliographies-Bibliographical-Catalogues-Calendars/dp/0874712947

a list of books that provide a list of books
 (Mehitabel_Itrang, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Lists of lists of lists is a subset of itself.
...my brain hurts.
(also- didn't Borge write of this?)
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:06, Reply)
This is a normal post I meant more generally.
It's a theme he's touched on in a couple of pieces.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:38, Reply)
This is a link post Curiostiy landing on Mars.
A VIDEO of a ROBOT landing on ANOTHER PLANET. In HD. Fuck yeah, science!
(I helped save b3ta! King Ralph is drunk, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:22, Reply)
This is a normal post I posted this the other day but it's still awesome
It's an interplanetary nuclear robot with frickin lasers!
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Ahh, did you?
GC said no, probably a different link... my bad!
 (I helped save b3ta! King Ralph is drunk, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, we can do this
but where is Johnny 5?
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:36, Reply)
This is a normal post He never worked again after Fisher Stevens "blacked up" in Short Circuit 2
He protested that it wasn't his fault but you know how these things happen when you have a racist mate.
Last I heard he was selling himself to cash converters 1 servo at a time.

He's alive but wishes he wasn't
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Gluck yes
But no woman with three tits
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:01, Reply)
This is a normal post incredible

(I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:12, Reply)
This is a normal post it should have used this opportunity to do some cropcircles in the sand.

(augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:41, Reply)
This is a normal post That's the spirit!

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Curious choice of words

(I helped save b3ta! Hummel Who died and made you....oh wait...., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:26, Reply)
This is a normal post All I could think
was this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCsfHVM5x_I&feature=player_detailpage#t=68s
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:27, Reply)
This is a normal post *speechless*

(I helped save b3ta! Brandy_Bumwinkle, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:08, Reply)
This is a link post 'the tube' interviews and stuff... if your my age (46) you may like it
lots of adverts to fight past
 (dirk speedrift Sit doon, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:17, Reply)
This is a normal post An embarrassment of riches. Cheers!
I think I'll start with Mark E Smith- after I've watched Sigue Sigue Sputnik, obviously.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pod Malore B3ta changed the way I poop, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:13, Reply)
This is a link post Prince Harry gets his off his tits with 2 scrubbers in Vegas and strips off for photos. NSFW
Ron-seal
GC detector was.... odd.

[edit] It appears to be GC so I will make amends by this link.
www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/03/belarus-assange-lukashenko
Yeah, yeah another Assange thing but I was genuinely shocked at this one.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Took the BBC quite some time to report this, The Scrunt posted the TMZ article this morning.
In all fairness i couldn't care less, pissed up tomfoolery being turned into something more than it is due to his status.

Don't know why you called them scrubbers though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:18, Reply)
This is a normal post It's because he hates women.
allegedly
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm more focused in my hate than that.
I just like the word scrubbers.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYDlX49yUSI
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:23, Reply)
This is a normal post I knew it would be that!
Spent too many nights drunk back from the pub watching Withnail.

Little tarts they love it...
 (Lord Tredegar, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Good put

(Braising Squid, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:11, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm somewhat surprised Auntie mentioned it at all.
You know how the BBC is when it comes to the royals.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:20, Reply)
This is a normal post It was nice to hear that he was enjoying himself with some friends.
Sad though that some cunt eventually published the pics considering that a hotel room should reasonably be considered a private place.

Oh well, 'merkins!
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Evening Mr Flaps

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Evening A.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:03, Reply)
This is a normal post You back with us now or just out on day release?

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:21, Reply)
This is a normal post On n off cos the internet here is really fucking shite.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Try 'B' block......
more bars there, better reception. :P
 (Spin Its a thing., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Pissy!!!
Hows the lock up?
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Hi Fadge, lock-up is lush, chips not too bad either!

(pissflaps. FSPW, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Chips always taste better
When they're cooked by rapist and murderers
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:23, Reply)
This is a normal post That person has probably "disappeared" by now ;-).

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Down a French Underpass?

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:33, Reply)
This is a normal post What happens in Vegas
can make you a lot of money if you sell the photos.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Like father...

(I helped save b3ta! simbosan is too tired, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Which one?

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 22:23, Reply)
This is a link post On the Dyer theme...
What a truly lovely bloke...
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:56, Reply)
This is a normal post "Aye sed cut 'im up, not touch 'im up, you limp cahhhnt!"

(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:02, Reply)
This is a normal post "Zoo and Danny Dyer condemn any violence against women. A donation will be made to Women's Aid."
This sounds like charity at gunpoint. Amazing.
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:04, Reply)
This is a normal post It also doesn't specify what Danny's planning to donate...

(MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:06, Reply)
This is a normal post
Does he have ANYTHING to offer this world?
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Arse pinches.
But not for "uptight lezzers".
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Theyre giving money to a charity that gives women AIDS?

(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:51, Reply)
This is a normal post That stories two years old
you fackin' mappet! Gertcha, stitch that you cahnt!
 (Leemondus, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:59, Reply)
This is a link post Russia joins the World Trade Organization
Is this big news? Or not really? It sounds like it should be big news, but I'm not really clued-up on these things.
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:34, Reply)
This is a normal post It means that businesses in Europe will benefit from cheaper trade.
and everyone will gloss over Russia human rights abuses same as they do China.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:44, Reply)
This is a normal post and the USA...

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:56, Reply)
This is a normal post and Australia.........

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:02, Reply)
This is a normal post and the UK

(augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Combo breaker!
Get him!
 (I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:07, Reply)
This is a normal post I think it may well turn out to be big news,
look up "Dollar Hegemony"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_hegemony

and
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Reserve_Currencies.png
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:35, Reply)
This is a normal post all fear the Ruble
it is the end of the world as we know it
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:44, Reply)
This is a normal post not the Ruble...
Russia is more likely to switch to the Euro as its reserve currency and do trade directly in Euros. They've already negotiated an agreement with China that means they no longer have to trade with each other in dollars. It might save the Euro. The Dollar is in the shit though, if there is a run on it at this sensitive point in time.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not afraid of Barney Rubble.

(CloneRanger is horribly overpriced on, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:09, Reply)
This is a normal post I am, he's found out about me and Betty

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:23, Reply)
This is a normal post what about the big bad wolf?
or MGT's take on economics?
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:25, Reply)
This is a normal post could be sooner than they think...
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/00da6b1a-80a6-11e0-85a4-00144feabdc0.html#axzz24IV792K1
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Gatt the fuck out of here!

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:44, Reply)
This is a normal post
Immediately!
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:32, Reply)
This is a normal post it will also mean the end of russian manufactureing
part of the treatie is to let other countrys flood your home market with goods and you cant do any thing to help your own factorys and mills etc to compete against them .
Russia is market that the west has been trying to get in to big time for a number of years and this is the flood gates being blown wide open.
watch the results over the next year or so and see the unemployment start to rocket and company closeures speeding up. every one wins except the russian
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:08, Reply)
This is a normal post finally russians will be able to buy Turkey ham

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:48, Reply)
This is a normal post and pot noodles
and maybe even marmite
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:15, Reply)
This is a link post following on from hotpiss' link below, have the "Trailer"
worse than you imagined. Highlight clearly being the frozen duplicate frame at 0:38 nice work edit team
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Did i really just see the rake joke?

(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:18, Reply)
This is a normal post I think Danny Dyer misread the script, he thought he was doing a film with a rape joke

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
i just snorted water out of my nose
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Rape is NEVER FUNNY.
Unless you're raping a clown.
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Can we have a discussion on /Links without it resorting to rape?

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:04, Reply)
This is a normal post We could, i don't think you should force it upon us though.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:10, Reply)
This is a normal post That would have to be one hell of a discussion to end in rape.
A bit like this?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2BdNVczgWE
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Having spoken with quite a few doctors,
it seems to me that /links has ways of shutting these things down.
 (I helped save b3ta! Lord Keeps meaning to procrastinate., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post :D

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha!

(I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:33, Reply)
This is a normal post I've done that before, and whilst it was quite funny
it really bloody hurt...
 (I helped save b3ta! Jimbuktu See? Right here, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 22:28, Reply)
This is a normal post oh wow 1960s slapstick comedy
with 1990s production values.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:20, Reply)
This is a normal post 'Keith Lemon' has a film out...for some reason.
I'm not watching this trailer, ever.
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:21, Reply)
This is a normal post Fucking hells bells.

(I helped save b3ta! presferatu, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:23, Reply)
This is a normal post CANNOT UNSEE OR UNHEAR!

(I helped save b3ta! Eduard Khil's Haircut is lurking and liking on, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:24, Reply)
This is a normal post fucking Danny Dyer!!!!! oh ffs!

(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:30, Reply)
This is a normal post
Oh my god.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:33, Reply)
This is a normal post this is film making at its most cynical.

(augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:33, Reply)
This is a normal post they're trolling cinemagoers
surely?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:36, Reply)
This is a normal post haha wow
that looks like all manner of terrible shit
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Why the f%$£ did i press play?
Danny fucking dyer
 (I helped save b3ta! Hummel Who died and made you....oh wait...., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:59, Reply)
This is a normal post at least denise van outen and sarah ahrding look fit
even tho van outen looks fake as fuck, fucks sake that girl needs a slap
 (Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh for the love of shit...
Seriously....? SERIOUSLY??????
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Yea! One the buses is back !

(LetsGetDownToIt, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:23, Reply)
This is a link post this is without a doubt going to be the worst film in the world ever.
the. worst.
 (hotpiss is very much liking your popping musics, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Fucking hell
How does something like this happen?
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I agreed after the first Cast member name
and agreed even more after reading the rest.
 (I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha
Proper laugh out loud moment. Even that little cuntfart Dyer looks embarrassed.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post what is the significance of the red F and U?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post
I'm guessing some disgruntled graphic designer mulling over the prospect of anyone actually wanting to go and see this rubbish giving a pre-emptive sweary reply to their decision.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Fulchester United

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Is Arclight Films having a joke?
That looks awful
 (I helped save b3ta! presferatu, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Good Lord.
How on earth does Dyer maintain a career?
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:58, Reply)
This is a normal post
By being right 'ard and stuff, innit?
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:00, Reply)
This is a normal post The really puzzling thing
is that Harold Pinter liked him.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:02, Reply)
This is a normal post could be worse
could have james corden in it.
 (hotpiss is very much liking your popping musics, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:01, Reply)
This is a normal post also starring:
Christopher Biggins & Lionel Blair....
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:02, Reply)
This is a normal post You aren't far off.
Look at the list of cameos they're having to advertise to bulk out the blurb.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:06, Reply)
This is a normal post No, really. They are starring in it.

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Yikes.

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Russ fucking Abbott?

(I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Rolf Harris! Cliff Richard!
Fucking hell. I might go and see it now.
 (I helped save b3ta! presferatu, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:20, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm beginning to wonder
whether it might be an ISIHAC spin-off...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Not Cliff Richard.
Actually, it is Cliff Richards according to the poster. Somebody completely different.
 (I helped save b3ta! sm.pl.crt.rs I don't fucking know, do I?, Fri 24 Aug 2012, 17:02, Reply)
This is a normal post "are you Russ Abbott?"
is really quite high on my list of favorite all time comedy club heckles.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Pwoppa nawty
c'mon, ee's only tryin to urn a paand nowte mate
 (I helped save b3ta! Mster Johnny Ekstrom, now that's a name, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:03, Reply)
This is a normal post E's avvin a giraaaarrrfe!

(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh for fuck sake
Now wonder cinema prices are so high, churning out mingerot films like this...
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:08, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha, mingerot
Is that when a girl's glued to her seat for too long?
 (MrOli is ugly, but in the morning you will be sober, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:05, Reply)
This is a normal post I hate Danny Dyer with a passion that can melt skulls.
A few years ago I took my brother to Comicon in London, we saw Dyer sat a table with that fat tanned bloke that he acted with once, I don't know his name. No one was asking them for an autograph or cared that they were there. He looked quite upset by the fact that there was a huge crowd around an R2D2 replica just a few feet away from him.

My brother and I stood a few feet away from and him and just stared for a few minutes, I motioned as if I was going to walk towards him, he sat up then I walked away towards R2D2 and took a picture.

True story.

(The primary reason I hate him is because I despise his mockney accent and attitude, I grew up in East London and II DOON' TOOOORK LIIII' DAAAT, fucking doss cunt)
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:12, Reply)
This is a normal post
Hahaha!
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I feel much better now.

(I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:18, Reply)
This is a normal post good work
on the fake approach and swerve.

I did that to Justin Lee Cuntins once. He was sat outside starbucks at Clifton Down in Bristol - with a "go on, someone recognise me" expression on his face.

I looked at him, went all wide eyed and open mouthed and started towards him... he sat up straighter... and I walked past him and went in to WH Smiths.
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:43, Reply)
This is a normal post fuck
how the fuck
fuck
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:16, Reply)
This is a normal post It'll be dire...
Danny Dire
 (PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post I see what you did there.

(I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Danny Dyer is a cunt
That is all.
 (I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:39, Reply)
This is a normal post She turned it into the Ecce Mong.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:19, Reply)
This is a normal post That is one strange looking Homo...

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:20, Reply)
This is a normal post excellent find.
definitely worthy of a B3tan
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:23, Reply)
This is a normal post oh well
he seems quite pleased with his new Swiss roll
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:23, Reply)
This is a normal post :)
b3ta.com/board/10831610
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:29, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
i was thinking of that!
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahahahahah

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:36, Reply)
This is a normal post
b3ta.com/board/10831867
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Nice find
Only normal ppl on links
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:46, Reply)
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heheh he now looks like an ape.
 (loci, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:34, Reply)
This is a normal post I've never seen the word "octogenarian" used with such contempt.

(I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Aww

(I helped save b3ta! Bobod Perpetually following through, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Next week's image challenge
Repair a fresco
 (I helped save b3ta! thistle, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 20:41, Reply)
This is a normal post This^^

(I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha
YES!
 (I helped save b3ta! cupboardy, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 21:07, Reply)
This is a normal post
Well, at least it wasn't a new one that she ruined.
 (champagnerocker, Thu 23 Aug 2012, 1:45, Reply)
This is a link post Man-Eater.
Student invents little game to entertain himself and the public on their commute.

Pretty sweet really.
(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Too arty farty
And way over my head/iq

But Vimeo have such better vid quality than anyone else

So you have a sympathy click
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Vimeo: home of the ArtyFarty

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:45, Reply)
This is a normal post how can a game on the bus where you clsoe one eye and eat people be over anyone's head?

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Way over your head/iq? Come on!! I played this game all the time when i was a kid.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Eeeeeuuurrgh
Got super angry at the level of smugness / oh-I'm-so-sensitive bullshit music. Have some Corpsegrinder and friends.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTpQOZcNASw
 (Fistshaker, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:54, Reply)
This is a normal post
if that was over your head, it is you that needs a sympathy click. ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:43, Reply)
This is a normal post lovely.
i really like stuff like this.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:46, Reply)
This is a normal post one does not approve
i think youll find that vandalism...
 (bruxia, Thu 23 Aug 2012, 9:46, Reply)
This is a normal post I'd rather see that on the back of a bus seat than "SHELLY WAZ ERE 2012!!!".

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 23 Aug 2012, 12:54, Reply)
This is a normal post Try putting stickers up on London Transport and you'll get nicked
I did. But then they did have pictures of my penis on them.
 (I helped save b3ta! Gerbils Awrr Geoffrey, Thu 23 Aug 2012, 13:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I can't believe you'd have got nicked
for such tiny stickers...
 (Ruffgeezer back again like a bad smell., Fri 24 Aug 2012, 22:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Try "this is a heavy product" stickers next time
By the end of the run there were 5,000 of them on trains in Melbourne and surrounds. Some of them made it overseas so there had to be a large source of them.
 (TimChuma, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 8:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, wonderful
It's a tram in my home city of The Hague. It's one of the odler trams, so that'll be alright then.
 (I helped save b3ta! mediocre ha ha ha, you're reading this, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 12:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Ooh ooh I know where this is
Den Haag!
 (toadrunner, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 12:22, Reply)
This is a link post Puppy Bot I made this!
Puppy Bot is cute in a gruesome kind of way.
(I helped save b3ta! weebl Mashed farts, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:47, Reply)
This is a normal post nice
......Metal Mickey's psychotic cousin
 (I helped save b3ta! dogfish, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:50, Reply)
This is a normal post
Almost sounds like Bane at the end.
 (Zappanale, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Wow, that's really great. Skillz!

(I helped save b3ta! presferatu, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Good god
that thing at the end...
 (I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post That "thing" at the end
is my mother.
 (zombiedeadbloke, Fri 24 Aug 2012, 16:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Are you two blokes related?

(Piggyfiddler has Catholic Church approval to work with kids on, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 16:25, Reply)
This is a normal post you mental

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:17, Reply)
This is a normal post 0:55 onward you are just brain wrong! :D

(I helped save b3ta! prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:23, Reply)
This is a normal post
That is by far the best part! ('tis all skills though, as ever!)
 (I helped save b3ta! D'artisan is lesser spotted, lesser spotted like a Tiger, Fri 24 Aug 2012, 15:46, Reply)
This is a normal post yay

(swank, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Very nice
but what the hell was that thing at the end??
 (Mr Hippo Produced by Fred Quimby, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:37, Reply)
This is a normal post UMM
Good but...
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Aces!

(I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:58, Reply)
This is a normal post Good job there sir

(I helped save b3ta! CysticSpazzGland has just puwked on your mum, Thu 23 Aug 2012, 18:02, Reply)
This is a link post Tony Nicklinson is dead
Not funny, sorry, in fact it's fucking shite. He has refused food since his right-to-die request was denied, and has now succeeded in starving himself to death. I can not believe that this has happened, and can only hope that this serves as a watershed moment.

Edit: I understand that any law allowing assisted suicide will need to be extremely thoroughly set out, and will take time to implement etc, but the idea that there isn't even a formal debate taking place is astounding.

Edit edit: it would appear that there *is* a formal debate taking place, thankfully (see Amadeus & Enzyme's posts below). I'm still astounded anyone would ever argue against it though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hol[]y - WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:09, Reply)
This is a normal post agreed

(I helped save b3ta! Bishop Yozz remembers when lily savage advertised oasis..., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post I think extreme caution must me taken and all the checks and balances in place when selecting the right sort of pillow to hold over their face

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:14, Reply)
This is a normal post haha

(I helped save b3ta! Brandy_Bumwinkle, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I agree.
It must be terrible to be smothered with a duck-down pillow, if you're allergic to feathers.
 (dieselmonkey, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Imagine a dutch oven induced death?
Rancid
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Isn't there a formal debate?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:15, Reply)
This is a normal post lot of talk. no action
it's no vote winner and leaves them vulnerable to attack by churchy group
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:21, Reply)
This is a normal post there seems to have been action against it.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:22, Reply)
This is a normal post I know someone had a left a Right To Life newspaper on one of the buses deliberately so I wouldn't be surprised.

(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:24, Reply)
This is a normal post I mean action against it in the courts (as above)
and in parliament.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post
Good on him, fucking inspiring. I can't begin to imagine how horrifying it would be to starve to death.
The prospect that he did this willingly is mind boggling. If this doesn't change our government's fucked up views on Eurhanasia it'll be a very sad day indeed.
Let's just hope his efforts make a change.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I imagine it is quite easy to starve yourself to death
when you are physically incapable of feeding yourself.
The family agreeing not to feed him is the real clincher here. I don't think I'd have the strength to do that.
 (FartThroughAWalkieTalkie wished you were dead in ditch on, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:27, Reply)
This is a normal post
Good point, in a rather unfortunate way, being locked in would have been at his advantage.
That being said, considering he was a fully concious individual, the psychological struggle with starvation would have been no different to anyone else. Plus, with it being his choice and all, I'm sure that if he broke, his family would have been on hand to give him a meal in a fraction of a second.
However you look at it, it's a sad but utterly admirable undertaking. Plus a lovely "fuck you" to the knobs that decided he couldn't die in a less painful manner.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post ^ this
Horrific.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hol[]y - WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Wow.
Can't imagine the pain and turmoil he went through to starve himself, I hope this re sparks the debate and makes the courts think twice, at least he can rest in peace now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Very sad end to a very sad story
if proof was ever needed that you are not the owner of your own body this is it. The State dictates, for what it believes is the most morally correct reasons but in fact they have acted in the most debase way by denying him what should be his right. Instead he died in a horrible way - starvation is not a nice way to die.

We should never allow the abuse of assisted suicide especially for vulnerable people, but when it is obvious that this is the choice of the person and not others then there should be no authority greater than that person's right to choose!
 (I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:17, Reply)
This is a normal post This very muchly.
The fact that he was refused denial to go to another country where it is legal too for fear his wife and accomplices would be jailed just adds to the courts ( no other way of putting it ) cuntish behaviour.
 (I helped save b3ta! Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:23, Reply)
This is a normal post It really isn't.
While there is such a thing as judge-made law, it doesn't follow that the judges could do whatever the hell they liked: they're still bound by statute and precedent, and can only create law where statute or precedent are unclear or in internal conflict.

The Suicide Act says what it says, and their Lordships can't change that. If you read the ruling, they're sypathetic to the plight of the plaintiffs - but there's nothing they could have done.

As to whether there would be a prosecution: the chances are that there wouldn't be, because it wouldn't be in the public interest.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:42, Reply)
This is a normal post If such laws are set in concrete to that extent - why even bother with the courts then?
Other than as a media showcase to raise awareness the lawyers must have known it wasn't going to come to anything, unless there is far greater flexibility than you give credit for. Judges have been known to set precedent often to the dismay of the public, surely a judge can take a stand and set precedent with his/her ruling? If not then the whole thing is a nonsense of bureaucracy.
 (I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:14, Reply)
This is a normal post As per my blog post,
I'm not wholly convinced that the case should have come to court.

I mean: Nicklinson's legal team was trying to show that the law could accommodate what they were after via the doctrine of necessity and Article 8 rights - but I think that their case was incredibly flimsy, especially after the Pretty ruling dismissed her Art. 8 claims (correctly, in my view).

EDIT FOR CLARIFICATION, 16:30: By this, I mean that the role of the judge in cases like this is to adjudicate when there's an ambiguity in the law (as determined by statute and precedent). But I don't see that there was any real ambiguity here. I think that the Nicklinson case was more about pushing the boundaries - which is why their Lordships ruled as they did: cf paras 150 and 151 of the ruling.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:26, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this

(I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Hmmmm...
It's true that you're not the owner of your body: it's an established legal principle that there is no property in the body, which means that noone owns it, and it's impossible to own it. That's generally taken to be a principle defensible on the grounds that it (usually) protects people.

As for the right to choose... well, it's one thing to choose to kill yourself, but quite another for another to be entitled to help. Like it or not, the situation is morally and legally a lot trickier than it's sometimes thought to be.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:46, Reply)
This is a normal post There's all sorts of debats.
Formal, informal, telly progs.

5 seconds googling found this
www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/backbench-business-committee/news/debate-on-assisted-suicide/
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Lots of informal, I'd say
I hadn't heard about the debate you've linked there, but thanks for posting it. I guess what I mean is that the debate doesn't seem to be in a mature state. Again, though, I might be wrong.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hol[]y - WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Haven't really been keeping up with this
But for his sake, I'm glad he's dead now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:23, Reply)
This is a normal post I guess in the end he did commit suicide,
and the only way to do that without assistance, for a man in his condition, is to starve yourself.
 (I helped save b3ta! Brandy_Bumwinkle, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:28, Reply)
This is a normal post There is a formal debate taking place.
Only last month I got an invitation from the House of Commons to submit evidence about yet another draft assisted dying bill. (Note to self: Do something about that, instead of twatting about on b3ta.)

Open any edition of a bioethics or medical law journal, and there's a chance that there'll be a paper on euthanasia or assisted dying in there somewhere (I've published four or five, I think, in the past few years myself). If there's a problem with the academic debate, it's that it's so rare for something new to be said. But that hasn't stopped people saying it.

As for the rulings on Nicklinson and "Martin": well, they could hardly have been otherwise. See my predictions here and here, and my initial response to last week's ruling
here.

Roger Crisp (Oxford) takes a different view from me - see this post on the Practical Ethics blog - but I think he's wrong, and I churned out 1500 words yesterday for either that blog or the BMJ one explaining why, before realising that there was plenty in what I was preparing to sustain a(nother) full-length paper.

For the record, I can't see any particular reason why assisted dying should not be legal - and I'd probably go further than most lawmakers, because I see no reason why it should be restricted to the terminally ill and/ or suffering. (I think that to restrict it to the suffering is indefensible, and possibly self-defeating anyway, since the greater the suffering, the more problematic it becomes: see the argument here (.pdf format) if you have institutional access.)

/shameless self-promotion
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post there was the Falconer report,
I thought that was quite well known.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:30, Reply)
This is a normal post That as well.
It is well known; but it's also bollocks for the most part. (Oh, dear: I'm about to re-engage the self-promotion... See this. Such are the wonders of academic publishing that even I can't access that - but I'll happily send a .doc version to anyone who gazzes me their email.)
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:33, Reply)
This is a normal post I read a bit of it,
I was a little perturbed by how certain people's opinions apparently count as "evidence".
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Also I'm not very happy about the way the word "dignity" keeps being thrown about.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Totally. Dignity is a horribly misused word.
It's more or less on the index within the profession.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Promote away!
It's all interesting stuff!
 (I helped save b3ta! Hol[]y - WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:40, Reply)
This is a normal post it was this one! :D

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I'd be more than a little concerned with the 'ethics' of this if made legal.
once passed, who is to say a vulnerable, elderly patient who has no family could be coerced into it?
 (Spin Its a thing., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post or even if they do have family,
or aren't necessarily elderly. What happens when it becomes completely socially acceptable to ask your doctor to end it all when you've got nothing more to live for? Is that the sort of world we want?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:56, Reply)
This is a normal post yep
suicide rescues would be a thing of the past.
(may catch them for organ harvesting)
 (Spin Its a thing., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:58, Reply)
This is a normal post it would cut our pensions burden,
as well as every other sort of benefit, being disabled or otherwise unemployable being "undignified".

The baby boom generation is just coming into pensionable age, as well as the economic crisis with all its austerity measures, the timing of the sudden interest in the euthanasia issue concerns me.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Nope.
There's no tension between legalised assisted dying and suicide rescue - and the organ harvesting canard is utterly baseless.

(On this note, incidentally, the law in Belgium allows euthanasia, but not assisted suicide: that is, there are circumstances in which it's legal to kill someone, but not to provide the means for them to kill themselves. This is because they have a good samaritan law - and to provide the means to commit suicide is incompatible with the duty to attempt to rescue someone whose life is in danger. I think. That's how someone explained it to me. It's odd, I'll admit.)
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:03, Reply)
This is a normal post actually that doesn't sound so odd to me,
even if it's the opposite end of the slippery wedge we are currently trying to grasp by the horns at the moment.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:06, Reply)
This is a normal post in a china shop

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Annoyingly I have to go to a meeting
but I would say that yes that is the world I want. Not the world where vulnerable people are taken advantage of, but one where you can take your life in as controlled (I hope that's not too robotic a word: I mean it emotionally as well as physically) a fashion as possible, after exhausting all other options.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hol[]y - WHAT CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:59, Reply)
This is a normal post interesting.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post There'd be all kinds of safeguards built in to any plausible law.
There's no particular reason to think that the vulnerable would be more at risk under a legalised assisted dying system.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Revenue?
Once it becomes 'de rigueur',a few slip under the radar, one less pension, one less costly, long-term, medically assisted bed free.
 (Spin Its a thing., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:15, Reply)
This is a normal post PrisonPlanet is -----> that way.
There's no evidence of people being quietly bumped off in any of the countries in which any form of assisted dying is currently legal. Under any plausible system, it would not even be available with consent - only on request. That is: the idea would have to be generated by the would-be dead person. Even then, there'd almost certainly have to be repeated requests, and certification from a psychiatrist or someone in a similar role.

Bumping someone off contrary to their wishes would still attract a murder charge, just as it does now. And if you're determined to bump someone off contrary to their wishes, it isn't obvious to me that the small matter of the law is going to stop you (which is why I think the argumentum ad Shipmanum against legalisation doesn't work: if the illegality of killing didn't stop him, then the idea that having illegal assisted dying is going to stop anyone also takes a battering).
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:23, Reply)
This is a normal post in the Netherlands the number of assisted suicides has risen year on year,
presumably as social acceptance builds. There is a group now arguing that anyone over 70 who is "tired of life" should be eligible. That worries me, frankly.

We're not controlled by other people so much as by our ideas, which we get from our social environment.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:26, Reply)
This is a normal post But why shouldn't people who're tired of life be eligible?
And so what if the number is rising?

By contrast, the evidence from Oregon is that making assisted death available has meant that lots of people get the drugs, but never use them: they do, however, seem to be less likely to be depressed, possibly because they know they have an out in the future if they want it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post I challenge the very legitimacy of the idea of being "tired of life."
It is a turn in social values that this idea can become accepted. Obviously people are only saying what they are feeling, but I'm concerned that people are starting to feel this way, and to pander too it seems like the wrong way to go. What is wrong with modern society? Why are suicide rates continuing to rise?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Are suicide rates continuing to rise?
And, even if they are, does that necessarily tell us much of moral importance? I mean: we're getting quite good at curing illnesses that would have killed us a little while ago; and yet we're still mortal, and everyone still dies. This means that, by dint of mere statistics, the rate of suicide is likely to rise, simply because people haven't been killed by cholera before they get the chance.

As to the being tired of life bit: isn't it a bit strange to think that life is worth having simply for its own sake? Why isn't it possible for someone to decide that they've done everything they wanted? (Have a look at Bernard Williams' "The Makropoulos Case" - he claims there that dying is a bad thing for the one who dies, but that not dying is really no better.)

Suppose someone does say that they no longer derive any satisfaction from life, or consider it a burden. On what grounds would you be able to say that they'd made a mistake? And if you can't say that, why not take them at their word?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:00, Reply)
This is a normal post They are, if you look at the graphs,
historically that could be down to the effects you suggest but not in recent times.

Is it strange that, as Kant put it, "a man is an end in himself"? No, it's not. But here we reach the crux of the matter, where all arguments kind of grind to a halt. Because all of this really is the ultimate logical conclusion of western value-based morality, rights-based ethics and individualism, all of which I have suspected of being dubious for quite some time. From my point of view this conclusion of things is irony both Socratic as well as dramatic. But there is little more I can say, other than simply to restate that I don't believe that the purpose of life is to get what you want.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:10, Reply)
This is a normal post That's not really what Kant claimed.
His claim is more along the lines that the humanity in a person is an end in itself. By "humanity", he has in mind something like the capacity for practical reason. It's certainly not a claim about individual humans as biologically understood. (On Joss Walker's reading of Kant (here), it might not even be about individuals at all...)

Sorry: as well as assisted dying, Kantian moral philosophy is another of my pet subjects. I've even published a paper linking the two, but I'm not going to spam any more of my stuff.

As for the historical alterations - and, again, I'd want to see the graphs in question - that might be explicable. If suicide was thought of as shameful (as it frequently was), and the family of a suicide stood to be disinherited (as was frequently the case), then there'd be a very good reason to cover up suicide and call it something else.

I genuinely don't understand what you mean by the rest of your post, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm thinking of the last few decades,
I can't find any good data right now but I've definitely read that suicide rates are rising, as well as the diagnosis of depression and prescription of anti-depressants. But it seems like you're trying to worm out of it even before seeing the data...

What I mean is, the whole secular utilitarian ethos, taken to its logical conclusion, is that suicide should be available on demand to anyone who wants it, life itself becomes nothing more than a commodity of no intrinsic value*. You even preempted me on that last point. This is at odds with other theories of goodness and the purpose of life, notably religion so nobody should be surprised that the Church is opposed to this sort of thing. Rights-based ethics is evidenced in statements about people's "right to die", that's a right I never heard of a few years ago, we always used to talk about the right to life to criticise the death penalty &c, where does the "right to die" come from? Well it comes from the ideas of individualism and dignity (ugh!) in which the sole purpose of government is to facilitate people getting what they want. Or as you put it "satisfaction". In the modern mindset, we all have the right to satisfaction, in accordance with our individual values.

edit: very expensive book btw

* i.e. only the means to something else, such as pleasure or happiness
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not trying to worm out of anything.
You made a claim about suicide rates, for which you've offered no evidence. All I've done is suggest that things might be more complicated than the bare statistics would suggest, even if - on the face of it - numbers have risen.

"Religion" is much too vague a concept to introduce here - it's not as if all religions are of a voice, or even that all adherents to any particular one agree. (I know of at least one clergyman who's a member of Dignity in Dying, for example, and there're plenty more who're sympathetic without being members.)

But suppose there is a "religious" viewpoint: so what? I've never been at all convinced that religious ethics has anything much to say: strip away the apologetics, and it becomes regular moral philosophy done more or less well. (Usually less well, in my experience.)

And while I agree that there's a lot to unpick in appeals to a "right to die", I think that you're rather simplistic about things. Not the least of the reason is that a serious rights claim is not necessarily a utilitarian claim: inasmuch as utilitarianism is a consequentialist line of thought, and rights theory properly so-called is non-consequentialist, it's more likely that there'll be a tension between rights claims and utilitarianism. Admittedly, they often amount to the same in practice - but this doesn't mean that they're compatible.

It's a horribly expensive book - academic volumes invariably are. I'm trying to wangle a free copy, but no joy so far.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:56, Reply)
This is a normal post It's still premature to analyse statistics you haven't even got yet...
alas I can only find graphs for a few specific countries: Japan, Australia and India; and Scotland which shows the opposite.

I mention religion, in fact I wrote "Christianity" first but then I thought Islam and Judaism don't approve of it either. The point is that other ethical systems come to different conclusions, and religion was a much bigger social force in this country historically, now it's on the wane society is going a different way. (Individual clergy, however, sometimes don't even believe in God, but there you go.) I don't think the secular world has some special claim on being right about this.

True enough, rights claims are essentially moral absolutism, but it rather seems more a case of rule utilitarianism since this new right cropped up, it seems like rule utilitarianism based on Peter Singer's Preference Utilitarianism. The primary idea is that of the satisfaction of the will, the rights come along to facilitate that, or to post-justify it more likely. Call this an oversimplification if you will. I rather call it a distillation. Obviously social forces are in reality far more complex than that.

But to make a point, personally I don't believe that the satisfaction of the will is of primary importance, and that we have not just rights but duties.

I'm glad to discuss this with you anyway because you seem like someone who knows what they are talking about.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Noone is denying that things go wrong.
But none of your stories has the slightest thing to do with assisted dying.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Not ,not assisted dying........
but pretty much negligence that lead to death. So with the caveat of 'the laws behind us' the only way is down. IMHO
 (Spin Its a thing., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:19, Reply)
This is a normal post " think we can only go for terminal illness at the moment, so this doesn&#8217;t actually apply to the people who are probably about to go into care homes. But, you know, baby steps."
davidalton.net/2012/02/03/baby-steps-towards-euthanasia-why-the-council-of-europe-is-right/

Attributed to one Joyce Robins by the Daily Mail and others, who is also quoted in the Falconer report thus:

Joyce Robins, Co-Director of Patient Concern, agreed with Christine Kalus that the impact of assisted dying on the doctor–patient relationship ‘would depend a lot on the people involved’. She said the trust between older people and doctors is already at a low ebb:

I don’t put any credence in this thing that people will then be scared, they will then be frightened, because my goodness people are frightened now, terrified of going into care homes, hospitals, so on and so forth, because they’ve seen on television before their eyes what actually happens to you there. [In] my elderly community down on the south coast, people are terrified.

Instead of assisted dying adding to people’s fears about how they die, she suggested that ‘it could take that away’.

Curiously, she seems to suggest that the right way to address the problem that our care homes are seen as a fate worse than death, is to offer death as an alternative option.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:47, Reply)
This is a normal post
We should have fantasy suicide centres all across the country. End it all however you please.
Sliced to death and urinated on by Japanese schoolgirls etc.
 (loci, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:19, Reply)
This is a normal post ^^^^ THIS ^^^^
'Kin' hell, I thought I'd been forwarded to Mumsnet.

#Knobs
#2 girls 1 cup, etc.
#goatse
 (mad_dan Stilton or knob cheese ma'am?, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 18:55, Reply)
This is a link post Orchestra performs theme to Secret of Mana
Utterly glorious, and a complete nostalgiagasm :)
(Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:05, Reply)
This is a link post Titus Welliver does a mean Christopher Walken impression NSFW
You may know him from such TV programmes as Lost and Deadwood as he tells funny Chris Walken story and generally seems like a bit of a dude
*Contains swearies*
(I helped save b3ta! presferatu, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:46, Reply)
This is a normal post jolly entertaining

(Leemondus, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:25, Reply)
This is a link post This week in rape news I made this!
Trigger warning for repeated mentions of rapists.
(I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Blimey
What an unfortunate thumbnail.
 (I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:31, Reply)
This is a normal post you should be able to change that now on the YouTube edit page
Also, you're really attracting some mentals these days aren't you!
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:34, Reply)
This is a normal post God yes
Gets worse with every video. And they always seem to be libertarians.

Which means now I have to make a video about libertarianism.
 (I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Libertarians are very weird.
I've spent the morning battling them and their defences of Galloway. Sooner or later, they all seem to fall back on the idea that having a moral and legal obligation not to have sex without consent is only a small step away from having to sign a written disclaimer before sex, and having to have that approved by the State.

Libertarians are a strange bunch.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:15, Reply)
This is a normal post so the only people who oppose you are ones that hold ridiculous views
how convenient for you
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I know.
Lucky me.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:23, Reply)
This is a normal post looks like you're saying
' Ttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....'
click from me.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:34, Reply)
This is a normal post
i get the feeling this might cause another lengthly discussion on youtube. just out of curiosity, do you spend more time responding to mentalists or making the videos?
 (bruxia, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm trying
to cut down on responding. And what I need is a Delete'n'Block plugin that automatically searches for all the right-wing buzzwords.
 (I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:41, Reply)
This is a normal post
i think the internet would halve in one fell swoop
 (bruxia, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:52, Reply)
This is a normal post I think rape is such a strong word
I prefer the term 'struggle snuggle'
 (I helped save b3ta! Gerbils Awrr Geoffrey, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post haha, you're walking a very fine line there :D
not surprised by some of the comments you get when there are people dumb enough to see my Google Glasses video was a joke.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:39, Reply)
This is a normal post I missed that one
Very nice! See what you mean about the comments

"ITS SO FUCKING WRONG OIT ONLY TAKES 1 EYE AWAY YOU HAVE 2 EYES DUDE"
 (I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Well made
Well said. Good luck with the loons who try and persuade you that actually sex with a sleeping or unconscious woman is no problem. I'm still astonished that in this day and age it needs to be said. Also astonished I used the phrase "in this day and age" Cheesus I sound like my Nan.
 (Bezmina, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:44, Reply)
This is a normal post or lunatics who treat all circumstances as equal...no, wait, fuck it...
I've said what I wanted to say before. It didn't make any difference to any of the same people posting here again on this thread. Ive had my pointless internet argument and I should be satisfied
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:12, Reply)
This is a normal post There's also the "Polanski" defense
It's not rape if you've got lots of rich friends in the media
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:48, Reply)
This is a normal post everything comes back to Assange it seems

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:53, Reply)
This is a normal post i'm pretty sure Polanski was first

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:56, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm sure Assange will expose that as a media plot to deprive himself of more headline space

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:58, Reply)
This is a normal post i'm pretty sure Polanski came first
FTFY
 (I helped save b3ta! smaggers Like a gibbon on helium, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:59, Reply)
This is a normal post ooooh you!

(I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:12, Reply)
This is a normal post I want to see Polanksi
put on trial for making "The GhostWriter".
 (I helped save b3ta! somegreybloke, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:00, Reply)
This is a normal post I liked that (as always)
I tend to only interact with people on youtube in the comments who are capable of at least some level of coherency and not mashing the keyboard in fury. I don't get in to many conversations on there.
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 22:26, Reply)
This is a normal post No man
Not this time. I know it's all tongue in cheek but this isn't a line to cross, imo.
 (OnionTerror is a bag full of sick, Fri 24 Aug 2012, 0:58, Reply)
This is a link post Guy with a camera being arsey to a cop who asks to have a look at the semi automatic firearm he is carrying in public
But it's ok, because its not a fully automatic one.

America, wtf?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:21, Reply)
This is a normal post The people who make these kind of videos always come across as unnecessarily confrontational.
I can't watch them because of this.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:27, Reply)
This is a normal post there you go, you see,
if you carry a gun you don't get shot by police 46 times.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:30, Reply)
This is a normal post it does beg the question
why did 6 police with guns drawn surround the guy with the knife
but only one police officer approach the 2 guys carrying a semi automatic rifle
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:40, Reply)
This is a normal post It was a fully automatic knife

(I helped save b3ta! MartinH, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 19:34, Reply)
This is a normal post That Police Officer
Is such a cool bastard. After telling them that they can even come along and get a fully auto issued to them "do you have any further questions, comments or concerns?".... "uh duh no"

The students however are fucking fuckwhits setting out to antagonise
 (otl, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:25, Reply)
This is a normal post that^

(I helped save b3ta! dogfish, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:43, Reply)
This is a link post comic's uk distribution cancelled as it may fall foul of obscenity laws... and now i want it
id not heard of this at all, i was looking up info on the new dredd film... i love how the internet takes you to random places....
 (bruxia, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:19, Reply)
This is a normal post
ok, i just downloaded it, can anybody recommend a CBR viewer?
 (bruxia, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:33, Reply)
This is a normal post There's tons
You could also change the .cbr to .rar and unrar the pages to jpgs and use an image viewer.

CBRs are just rar files with a different extension.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:38, Reply)
This is a normal post
i think thats what i did with the red star many moons ago, thanks for the reminder
 (bruxia, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:53, Reply)
This is a normal post CDisplay is good.

(Paper 'n Pencil Thirst is excellent, even better than I hoped, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:06, Reply)
This is a normal post
cool, ill check it out.
 (bruxia, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:21, Reply)
This is a normal post
I read a lot of cbr and tried many readers. My fav is comicrack
 (loci, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:28, Reply)
This is a normal post There are comics with more porn than Crossed ?
I thought Lapham had the market in violent / undead / horror porn cornered.
 (Yorkshire Soul Glasscock rocks, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:48, Reply)
This is a link post Whistle blower faces extradition, fears he will be tortured and killed.
"Prosecutors in Belarus accuse the 30-year-old Barankov of fraud and extortion.
He calls the charges bogus, retribution for having exposed a petroleum-smuggling
ring involving senior officials of president Alexander Lukashenko's government, including
relatives of the leader."
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 12:50, Reply)
This is a normal post LOL
Why so serious?
 (I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 12:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't worry there will be a cat video along in a minute
Just felt sorry for the poor bugger.
I know people from that part of the world and very reliably informed of his future being very bleak.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:01, Reply)
This is a normal post I found this
it's also bleak
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/20/us-drones-strikes-target-rescuers-pakistan
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes that is.
Does it relate to this guy tough?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:09, Reply)
This is a normal post no I just didn't want to start a new thread with it

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:10, Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:32, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
"...must...get....to...top...floor.."
 (I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:42, Reply)
This is a normal post


(I helped save b3ta! Happosai _,,,,_(O ; o)_,,,, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:02, Reply)
This is a normal post ha! awesome.

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:27, Reply)
This is a normal post He should seek asylum in Ecuador.
Oh, wait....
 (Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 12:54, Reply)
This is a normal post It does feel as though Ian Martin is scripting the whole thing.

(I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:07, Reply)
This is a normal post I guess he could seek asylum in the United States,
I gather they have Belarus on their baddies list.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:09, Reply)
This is a normal post That would be a bit tricky seeing as he's sitting in an Ecuadorian prison and not on bail.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 13:22, Reply)
This is a normal post the fraud and extortion charges must be bullshit. Now if it was rape he was accused off...

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 14:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah I see what you did there....
It's almost like i'm displaying a double standard isn't it?

If only he was being to a country that didn't execute people and was bound by EU and ECHR law not to extradite in circumstances where there is any risk of the death penalty or torture.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post i think people who accuse others of double standards tend to assume that all circumstances are equal

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:27, Reply)
This is a normal post You think there arn't some similarities?
but at this stage i'm more concerned about this guy.

Maybe there's some stuff on wikileaks about Lukashenko he can use as a defense?

*googles*
Well that's a surprise.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 22 Aug 2012, 15:37, Reply)

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