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This is a link post "New York, I love you, but.."
video of all the characters who hang out at union square, nyc.
and here is a website dedicated to these people.
www.normalbobsmith.com/amazingstrangers/map.html
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post I am particularly fond of the character "Paki Peeper"
www.normalbobsmith.com/amazingstrangers/matchgame/matchgamecloseup2013.jpg

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 (I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post RACIST!

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hypocrite!!!

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Just sayin' like I sees it.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post So are we,
you racist.
 (Dijital Flouncing Back!, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 11:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post
That first guy on the railings is Christian Bale after about a year of Meth.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Fuuuuuck!
Uncanny!
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post "In New York freedom feels like too many choices."

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post this guy hasn't spent days/weeks/months even
edit: hasn't has
taking videos of people trying to get a glimpse of girls knickers
www.normalbobsmith.com/amazingstrangers/peepers/

too much time on your hands much?
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 19:34, , Reply)
This is a link post John Barrowman (lookalike(??)) shits himself.
Ronseal.
(I helped save b3ta! Sweeplovesfisting Take all your footballs home and burst them., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post This chap also killed his own car
He's the same airhead who put litres and litres of diesel into his engine oil, isn't he?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt0_-vK8bjA

(Worth watching in the background for the layers of fail. And smoke.)
 (Ozymandiarse I wish I were mahogany, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 11:33, , Reply)
This is a link post Feel Inside and Stuff Like That With Kids - Flight of The Conchords
New FOTC song with sale profits going to 'Cure Kids'.
Lyrical help from the kids themselves. Brilliant.
(I helped save b3ta! Terry_Tibbs Coarse and violent nudity. Occasional language, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post The first 5 minutes or so of that were absolutely adorable :D

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^This
But I'm pretty sure The Muppets was not resolved with the selling of oil, gold and crystals...
 (I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post This muchly! Brought a tear
to my eye!
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post CANNNNNNNNNNDDLLLLLLLLEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
HAPPY CANDLE THING!
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Happy Candle the lovely Sundae!!!

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post \o/
I WANT CAKE!
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post :D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRPaKgPwEs
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Splurge guns!!

(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post very ace
nice find
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This is a normal post Haha!
That's delightful :)
 (I helped save b3ta! dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I love how they can barely keep a straight face
 (Flabberghasted, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:35, , Reply)
This is a link post David Foster Wallace : This Is Water. NSFW
I posted the transcript of this a while back, i didn't know there was a recording of it though, Part 2 isn't hard to find.

Such a great loss that he left us.

Here's the transcript if you don't want to listen:

moreintelligentlife.com/story/david-foster-wallace-in-his-own-words
(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post
*bookmarked for later*
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Maybe read rather than listen mate, you'll take more of it in then i think.
I never knew there was a recording of this though, not the greatest post really.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post well worth the read and the listen.
thanks bready. :)
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post
A real loss losing him, that little speech sums him up so well though, sums people up so well too, glad you liked it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post
tragic loss, a true thinker.
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:49, , Reply)
This is a link post spooky air raid siren in Teesside NSFW I made this!
Possibly not that interesting but thought I'd share anyway. I've been hearing this in Teesside ever since I was knee-high to a Verne Troyer and finally caught it on video.

It was actually quite terrifying during the eighties, especially when you'd just been watching Threads or When The Wind Blows. I remember it going off on the way back from school one time and it was particularly loud, and it caused a bit of a panic with some Mums running home with their kids.

To this day I have no idea where the sound comes from, probably an old factory or something. But yeah, surely one of the most haunting, chilling noises known to mankind. Brrrr.

Maybe NSFW due to me saying a mild swearage.
(Leemondus, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree, a truly ominous sound.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post I live in Greenwich
And if you leave the windows open then on the first Monday of every month at 7am you can hear an air raid siren. Clearly its being tested, but no-one seems to know where it is and what it means.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post I remember being scared of nuclear attack in the '80s
and thinking of Russians as "the baddies". Or Germans, depending on the mood.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'I lived through that in the 80's'
would be nice if you'd just watched the cosy Nuclear War series 'Threads' :(
 (Spin Its a thing., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Threads
Is fucking horrifying.
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post You and your family must take cover

(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ow! Ow! Ow!

(Leemondus, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post that
was your 1,000th message on links :)
 (Emmon Ctrl+Shift+T re-opens that tab you just closed, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wow!
Do I get a special B3TA award? A commemorative magenta penis perhaps?
 (Leemondus, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 20:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I was about 9 or 10
In the late 70's and was spending a week with my older brother and his wife just outside Bracknell. These were the days were you were allowed to leave a kid on his own in the summer holidays, so they were both out to work.

Terrified the life out of me, thought that this was it for the end of the world. Turns out they tested it every other Monday. It was the siren to warn everyone of escaped patients from Broadmoor.
 (GhostAtTheFeast Soup Sir?, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post We've got a siren in my bit of Bristol
it's tested once a month (3pm on the first Thursday of the month I think)

I don't know about your siren, but ours is to warn of a fire/explosion at one of the chemical plants or fuel depots in Avonmouth. Pretty much "if it goes off and you're not expecting it, go inside and shut the windows, summat nasty is coming towards you on the wind"

Every couple of years they send out a leaflet with a map in it showing all the risk sites with fallout zones drawn round them showing you how at risk of death you are.

Thankfully, while I'm in earshot of the siren I'm not in any of the danger zones.

I know where one of the siren towers is, and for years I've been meaning to go and hang around at the base of it during a test to see how loud it is :)
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post We can hear the same sirens
There are several of them, for different factories in Avonmouth. I've got that leaflet hiding on a shelf somewhere and it tells you the days and times for each different siren. Problem is that there is one on Monday at 10am, one on Wednesday at 11am, one on Thursday at 2pm, one on Sunday at 10am, one on the third Wednesday of the month at 3pm, one on the 2nd Tuesday of the month at midday, one on the third Wednesday after Ascension Sunday at 10am, except in leap years when it's at 11am, one on the 4th Tuesday in February on years where there is a 3 in it and so on. So no-one actually knows when the tests are running and just ignores them all anyway.

And yeah, they all sound like air-raid sirens.

In the mid-80s, when I was a teenager, the air-raid siren in my part of Bath went off at about 2am one night. Scared the crap out of me! A couple of local old boys had heart attacks and died and everyone was talking about it at school the next day. You could hear it on the other side of the city, my house was 100 yards from the siren itself. The official excuse from the council, (or police, or whoever was responsible for it) was that they tested the air raid sirens regularly but with the loop to the sirens themselves switched off so they didn't actually go off. The test that night had been a normal test but they had forgotten to switch the siren loop off so it actually went off, for which they were sorry. Which completely failed to explain why they were testing air raid sirens at 2am and how they expected to actually test them without making a sound! They have since been removed.
 (Smiley_Neil filling the interweb with crap, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post used to here the one in
north finchely every week during the 80's, the plymouth one is still tested every few weeks, dont think most people know what it is, due to the fact the ferry makes a lot of noise
 (I helped save b3ta! The invisible ham Fig rolls are the best, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post They test the sirens of Broadmoor
Once a week at a set time, Monday at 10? If the sirens go off they have a network of people who phone/text each other.

The way it works is that say 10 people are given the responsibility to contact say 5 other people if the siren goes off. Those people each have 5 people to contact and they in turn... you get the picture.

The idea is that the whole of Berkshire will know within a few minutes of any escape. Serious business.

Edit: oops, saw someone else posted this... soz
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post In France
they test their civil defence sirens at noon on the first Wednesday of every month in major cities. I was unaware of this until suddenly a load of deafening air raid sirens started going off all over the place. Spent about a minute considering where to shelter then thought 'nah, I'll just film it for posterity'.

In the event of a surprise nuclear strike, smartphone users will be wiped out.
 (I helped save b3ta! John Q Wagonwheel Spent, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I was in the Slavonia region of Croatia in 2000 when their air raid sirens went off
Began wondering whether the Serbians were kicking off again when someone pointed out that they now used the sirens to get their part-time fire brigade in for an emergency.
 (Smiley_Neil filling the interweb with crap, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post They sound familiar
I work at Seal Sands on Teeside,and every Wednesday the majority of chemical sites including the one i work at,test their site alarms
 (I helped save b3ta! strictlyrockers hasnt been on here for ages, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post We just have church bells.
/Village life blog
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know this!
Every Tuesday at 10:00 hours - its the siren test for the chemical plants (possibly what used to ICI). Like you say its been going on for years and if I'm in the garden or have the windows open I can hear quite clearly.
 (Tyrion, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post thats nearly what i said
^^^up there
 (I helped save b3ta! strictlyrockers hasnt been on here for ages, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 19:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Cool!
Mystery solved. Ta!
 (Leemondus, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post i said it first!!

(I helped save b3ta! strictlyrockers hasnt been on here for ages, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 20:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Spoiled for choice.
I think it's over in the old ICI plant site near Billingham / Haverton Hill where they still produce chemicals, or maybe the steel plant in Redcar, or maybe the Tioxide plant in Hartlepool. Either way we're spoiled for choice for potential chemical related disasters here.

EDIT: Ooops it helps if i read all the responses first *re-lurks*
 (slack_bored_yokel, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post im at ConocoPhilips
sounds like ours,but then again it sounds like many other area plants
 (I helped save b3ta! strictlyrockers hasnt been on here for ages, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 20:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's the nonce alarm
there's an emitter in your head that goes off every time you think about little boys
 (Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 20:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Air Raid siren
Ever Monday morning at 10am you hear the Broadmoor escape warning siren go off in Bracknell to test that. Imagine how shit steering it is when it goes off at any other time (like it did last month... false alarm apparently... cheers for making the local populous lock themselves indoors wondering which of Britain's raving loony, rapist, serial killing bastards you'd let out...)
 (swidds, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 23:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Its the toxic gas emergency siren from ICI Wilton (don't know what its called now). They used to test it weekly when I worked there in 1996. Dupont used to use it weekly as they accidentally released nasty looking gas into the atmosphere. It was followed by a very posh man announcing "This is a toxic gas emergency close all doors and windows" in the Wilton Research centre. I hated Middlesbrough the whole place just stinks of chemicals on a warm day.
 (Upuaut, Tue 28 Aug 2012, 6:40, , Reply)
This is a link post Simple life hacks
Usefuls
 (robneymcplum spiced up his life on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Some of them are great, some just make me glad i'm not a pikey.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post We've only your word that you aren't

(I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Indeed, the joy of the internet.
I can tarmac a drive with my eyes closed, i normally throw in a burning mattress for free.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post God I hate the way people use the word "hack" instead of "tip" or "trick"
HACK YOUR BRAIN BY GOING TO BED EARLY
 (I helped save b3ta! gronkpan https://twitter.com/VomitingLarry, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 3:48, , Reply)
This is a link post Massive cock of glass NSFW
Pretty much nails most of the accents.
Number 24 in my opinion is the best of the lot.
(Fluffster, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Someone appears to have cloned patchy eyebrows all over his face

(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Generally good...
...he Scouse and N Irish ones were quite odd.
 (I helped save b3ta! rjmrjm, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you watch the second video
he appears to have become some kind of magical carny fellow, and has saved up enough to buy a razor, shave off those face eyebrows.
 (I helped save b3ta! smokinfish * All time exists simultaneously *, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:54, , Reply)
This is a link post 6hrs of Silverstone
In case you've got nothing planned this afternoon, here's a live feed of the 6hrs of Silverstone - the same teams as race at Le Mans. There's just over five hours remaining.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post yay! :)

(I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's my afternoon sorted.

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Thanks
Thanks a lot!
 (SlowLoris among the pigeons., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post So who won?

(I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 21:16, , Reply)
This is a link post The Bible and Homosexuality
Matthew Vines picks apart every Biblical argument against homosexuality, placing them in historical context and examining them sensitively and intelligently to see how anti-gay they actually are.

Yes, this is an hour long, but it's really really excellently researched and presented. Definitely worth sitting down and watching.

If you can't watch the video, here's the transcript: www.matthewvines.com/transcript
(I helped save b3ta! Seventh is somewhat subdued, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post gay

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post YOUR MUM.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post I got 10 minutes in before getting a bit bored, is there an abridged version?
I appreciate he's done his research and is passionate about it, but I've not got the time and he needs to cut to the chase a bit more.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post summary so far
(will edit as it goes on)

1. Sodom & Gomorrah nothing to do with it
2. supersessionism
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Perhaps a bit too abridged
I was more after, is he just justifying his choice of religion with his sexuality, and if so, does he and why?
I just can't get my head around people wanting to be a part of a religion that is so full of people telling them they are wrong.
It's like Stockholm Syndrome or something
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well because they believe in the message of Jesus I guess,
and love God as the creator of the Universe.

There are congregations that are not homophobic, it's ignorant individual Christians that are the problem, not Christianity itself.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can honestly say, I've never met a Christian that wasn't homophobic
they've always just said it's wrong, it's what they've been taught and believe.
But I won't judge them all on these cases.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post We need people to tell them that their beliefs are based on dodgy biblical interpretation,
bad scholarship, and ideas that are a lot more modern and a lot less traditional than they realise.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, and there's nothing devoutly religious people are better known for
than listening to people tell them what they believe is wrong and taking what they say on board.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post You have to start at the fringes and work your way inwards.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good luck with that, let us know how you get on.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah it's difficult,
they typically accuse me of talking a load of bollocks and quoting ridiculous facts.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's like they know you.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually I don't have any religious friends who aren't already tolerant,
except the Jehovah's Witnesses that come round, if they count, and I can scarcely make a dent on them.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post You need a gun.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post If everybody had a gun there'd be no Jehovah's Witnesses

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you had a gun there'd be no one full stop.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post hahahaha! actual lol.

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 0:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post you can't have met very many then
Just off the top of my head I can count over 20 christians I know personally (either through work, hobbies or family connections) who are absolutely fine with it - and one who isn't

4 of those have invited myself and my boyfriend to their weddings and we had a *fabulous* time chatting to the grandparents!

I know 4 openly gay christians, one of whom trained as a priest. None of those have a problem with their church (so I guess you can add at least 3 congregations to the numbers)

I'm not a christian (I tend to describe myself as ignostic) but I really don't get this whole "OMG! The church is so evil and homophobic" because it just doesn't match up with my experiences.

Sure some churches are twats, but an awful lot of them aren't.

Edit: Anecdote not data, your mileage may vary etc etc etc
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Much like my arguments to friends from church that make generalisations about groups they see as "anti-Christian"
(I'm so glad to see your comment, because b3ta can get me down sometimes with the hate that some people post)

I'm sure there is a huge silent majority of atheists and agnostics who feel as deeply embarrassed to be categorised with twat-atheists as I am to be categorised with twat-christians (my beloved brothers and sisters, but boy do they vex me sorely sometimes). Just as there are likely muslims who get frustrated that the outsiders' perception of them as a group is so coloured by the actions of the jihadists. I couldn't say authoritatively on this though: I've not met many muslims as I live in a very anglo-saxon part of the UK.
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 10:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Agree entirely
A church full of decent people will treat people decently. A church full of ignorant people will treat people ignorantly.

And as you know, I'm in the 19/20.
 (Smiley_Neil filling the interweb with crap, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post
3. verse in Romans 1 is about an excess of lust not the type of lust
4. dodgy translation from the Greek
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post from :59 onwards
his conclusion is very well put.
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Attempt at shortening it a bit
There are 6 passages in the bible which are usually used as anti-gay arguments: (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18, Leviticus 20, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy)
Aditionally, often people argue that God's natural design' is man and woman, using the creation of Adam and Eve as evidence.
If this interpretation is correct, then any gay person who wishes to be a good Christian must always reject love. Not just sex, but romantic love, family, having a spouse, children etc. They must live a life of loneliness.

Going back to Genesis, God made the heavens and earth, plants, animals, man and everything else. All of these he said were 'good' or 'very good'. The FIRST thing ever said to be not good in the Bible is "for man to be alone" (Gen 2:18), thus God made Eve as a companion for him. What we get from this is that all men need a companion. The fact that Adam's comanion was Eve doesn't necessarily translate that ALL men need a woman as a companion. The only thing the Bible says is that a companion is needed.

Genesis 19: Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Two angels in the form of men seek hospitality in Sodom with Lot and his family. Men of Sodom gather outside Lot's house and demand he hands over the men so they can have sex with them. Instead, he hands over his virgin daughters. God destroys Sodom with fire and brimstone.
Set in historical context, gang rape of men by men was used by societies of this place and era as a tool of agression and humiliation in warfare. Every other mention of Sodom in the Bible refers only to the arrogance and selfishness of its people, not homosexulaity. The story is illustrating that Sodom is violently agressive to strangers, and that this act is against God's wishes. The male/male rape is used to show this, but this isn't what God was angry about, it was the xenophobia.


Leviticus: this is a huge book of Laws for Jews; 613 of them in total. Leviticus 18:22 says "you shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination" and Leviticus 20:13 says that the penalty for this is death.
The thing is, none of these rules apply to Christians. Sure, some of the more common-sense ones are still followed, but Christians happily eat pork and shellfish, wear mixed-fibre clothing and cut their hair. So Leviticus 18:22 is no more relevent.
Also, the term 'abomination', put in correct cultural context, simply means "not Jewish". it doesn't make it a sin, it's just not the Jewish way. In addition, while the death penalty may make it seem that this is a particularly strong rule, loads of rules in Leviticus have astonishingly harsh punishments, simply being put to death is actually not as bad as many of them. So we need pay no attention to Leviticus.

Romans 1:26-27: This speaks of God's rejection of people who turned away from Him and abandoned their 'nature' for 'unnratural relations'. However, if the verses are placed in context it is shown that God rejects these people because they CHANGE their nature. They used to be heterosexual, and they hav decided to be homosexual. They have turned away from how they naturally feel. This is bad, God rejects them. The correct ting to do is to follow your nature, stay true to it, and God will support you.
In addition, the word 'natural' in this passage is used elsewhere but translated as meaning a cultural norm. So Romans 1:26/27 is not saying that homosexuality is 'unnatural', only that it is not the cultural norm.
Consider too, that in this place and era, sexuality didn't exist as a the concept we see it today. Instead, men were expected to take an 'active' sexual role, and women the 'passive' role. This was the cultural norm, so an active female or a passive male would be culturally 'unnatural'. This has been translated by later scribes as 'shameful', but this weight to the word is not there in the original text.
 (I helped save b3ta! Seventh is somewhat subdued, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post cheers for the abridged version
but why does he want to be defined as a Christian/follower of the bible?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post in his own words,
because he loves Jesus and God.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post has he met them?
or just what someone tells him they are?
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post He can read the Bible for himself, I guess,
and he seems to have done his research.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'd much prefer to watch homosexuals re-enact famous bible sermons.

(I helped save b3ta! war3n3xt < I'm with stupid, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post This needed doing.
Homophobia is largely the creation of 19th century psychologists.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post *stares blankly*
*goes out into the sunshine for the rest of the day*
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Can you please comment on something that won't lead to you talking a load of bollocks and quoting ridiculous statistics?
Please, honestly.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post
www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=homosexual
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post That'll be a 'no', then.

(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh you, trying to get the last word.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post word.

(I helped save b3ta! Michael Ellis contributes nothing, Tue 28 Aug 2012, 8:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pfffftttt!

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, she's off though.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery_Act_1533
“Forasmuch as there is not yet sufficient and condign punishment appointed and limited by the due course of the Laws of this Realm for the detestable and abominable Vice of Buggery committed with mankind of beast: It may therefore please the King’s Highness with the assent of the Lords Spiritual and the Commons of this present parliament assembled, that it may be enacted by the authority of the same, that the same offence be from henceforth ajudged Felony and that such an order and form of process therein to be used against the offenders as in cases of felony at the Common law. And that the offenders being herof convict by verdict confession or outlawry shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their good chattels debts lands tenements and hereditaments as felons do according to the Common Laws of this Realme. And that no person offending in any such offence shall be admitted to his Clergy, And that Justices of the Peace shall have power and authority within the limits of their commissions and Jurisdictions to hear and determine the said offence, as they do in the cases of other felonies. This Act to endure till the last day. of the next Parliament.”

Thomas Cromwell, House of Commons
 (speedevil, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good work.
Although I did say "largely" not "completely".

The origin of the word "buggery" is very interesting, too. You should look that up.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Lurkage.
MGT is anything but vague in her findings.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, before those pesky 19thC Psychologists came along homosexuals
were welcome everywhere and were never targets of hate, violence or other forms of discrimination or prejudice.

Seriously though, whilst the inclusion of paraphilias in the DSM has many things to answer for the creation of homophobia was not one.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post There wasn't any concept of "homosexuals" as such before then.
There were laws and social taboos against various sexual acts which I won't defend, but it's largely (and I emphasise largely) dodgy Victorian science that shaped the development of homophobia in its modern form.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not sure (and I don't want to put words in your mouth) but are you trying to suggest that because the term homosexuality had yet to be coined and officially defined that there could not be any homophobia?
I might be getting the wrong end of the stick, if so I apologies. But hate for those of differing sexual preference and practise can exist independant of a term and definition for that preference.

What the 19th C Psychologists were complicit in was the formalising of a term for diagnostic purposes, which in turn was an extention of the social norms, conventions and controls already in place. And these controls were used in a manner (intentional or not) that was harmful. They didn't create homosexuality or homophobia though.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nail + Head.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post People weren't aware of such a thing as "sexual preference" as an intrinsic feature of a person,
there was no concept of "sexuality" as we now understand it. There were just things like anal sex that no-one should do. In fact the wording of the law reflects this, if you take the Buggery Act for instance, "abominable Vice of Buggery committed with mankind or beast". What is denigrated are the acts themselves*, not same-sex attraction or inclination as such (or even romance; on this line an interesting thing to look up is Adelphopoiesis). The buggery act was repealed by the Offences against the Person Act 1828 only for the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 which "Extended buggery laws to include any kind of sexual activity between males."

* anal sex with anyone, including men with women.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Please, guide us, Oh Holy One.
I can see where Pissy was coming from with his religious replies to your posts now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't know where this comes from,
I'm only trying to point out that the usual "the Church is homophobic, the Church has always been homophobic" line is a massive over-simplification to say the least.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I don't have anything against you, you just seem to instigate 'conversations' for no other reason than to prove to yourself you are right.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post sometimes I prove the opposite.
believe it or not.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post You sometimes prove you are wrong?
I don't know why i'm not surprised to hear this.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Part of the reason I have these arguments is to find that out.
You can often get better counter-arguments from other people than you can by solitary research, especially since you can't help but be guided by confirmation bias to a certain extent.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is, and one you'd probably argue lacks accuracy. Likewise stating 19th C Psychologists were largely responsible for homophobia is a gross and inaccurate over simplication.

(Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not that inaccurate,
19th century science has had far more influence on modern culture than you might think, it's because of 19th century "nutritionist" Dr Kellogg gave us eating cereal for breakfast for instance. It's also when circumcision became popularised in the US.

They categorised homosexuality as such (as opposed to sexual excesses and lust) as a mental disorder, in a way that society and the Church previously never did, and we're still dealing with the repercussions of that. It's even an argument that conservatives drag up - "science classed it as a disorder," they go on, "and it was reclassified because of political lobbying". What is touted as "science" can have an enormous impact.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I do think modern science has had a huge impact. I'm not going to deny that.
And that classification was horrible*.

But that classification didn't create homophobia, nor would I argue did it contribute greatly to homophobia. That homophobia was already present and enshrined within society.

That's why I would argue it is an inaccurate and sweeping statement**

When we're taking about reprecussions (and I guess blame) it might be better to consider why such homophobia was already present.


*The next DSM is also going to have a horrible change in the classication of paraphilia's.

**Especially when you take into account, and this is my pet peeve, that the area of Psychology that deals with supposed abnormality, clinical cases and atypical behaviour is actually only a small fraction of the discipline.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't think it "created" it,
so much as steered it in the direction it took. I suppose I should have said "modern homophobia".

So what's up with the new DSM? :(
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah with the creation I was refering to your original statement which I think we'd sort of moved on from anyway!
In the current and soon to be old verison of the DSM things like fetishes were classified and diagnosed as a paraphilia if they caused discomfort and/or dysfunction. Usually to a fairly high level.

In the new verison simply having the urge could lead to the diagnosis of a paraphilia. So the simple urge or fantasy about a body part or object could under the proposed criteria changes lead to diagnosis of what is essentially considered a mental disorder. Bad times.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post hmm, what's prompted that change, then?

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Apparently not evidence.
There's a raft of papers and critiques out there slating the changes and the editors involved. Some of the data they seems to be working from for the changes is questionable.

There seems, in my view anyway, to be a general call for the removal of paraphilia's from the DSM. I had a fantastic article on it, I think it's at work and behind a paywall so it's not much use, but if I can find it I'll stick a link up. The authors make a much better case than I do, Clinical Psychology isn't my bag.

EDIT: Might be Wakefield (2011) for the current changes from DSM-IV-TR to DSM-V and Moser & Klienplatz (2005) for the changes to the DSM-IV-TR.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post on googling it seems to be a bit political.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah :(
It will get very messy.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Existence in law and existence in society are potentially two different things.
Sexuality or preference doesn’t have to be legislated against for it to suddenly exist. Extending the argument to the ridiculous conclusion how do you even get the ball rolling on legislating against a concept that supposedly is yet to exist? For such laws to be passed there has to be the motivation for them to be created, which requires an understanding a priori.

That’s kind of moot anyway. First of all as you’ve said those laws don’t specific homosexuality of sexual preference until the 19th C. But just because they are not mentioned doesn’t mean that no concept or understanding existed separate to the laws. As I said law and society are potentially different, but usually interacting, entities.

To stress again as I’m waffling, just because those laws do not indicate intrinsic sexual preference doesn’t mean that there was a lack of recognition in society as a whole for such preferences, or a lack of homophobia.

Also, we’re being terribly ethnocentric here. Homosexuality and sexual preference is fairly clearly recognised in many cultures, B.C and A.D.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good point but I think the new scientific treatment made it more concrete,
the taboo against anal sex as far as I can tell goes back to two cultural sources, on the one hand the pre-Christian pagan, Nordic culture and the Hebraic culture imported by Christianity. On the Nordic side look up "Ragr", to violate someone else was seen as a supremely manly thing to do but to be violated the ultimate shame. Christianity kind of turned the tables and made the aggressor into the villain.

Indian culture is the most interesting on this matter.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post The diagnostic criteria and treatment was arguably very harmful, that's true. But I don't think it was a direct legitimisation of homophobia...
It was used more in the either/or sense. Someone caught in a compromising position could be threatened with the law, but then they could also be offered the 'but if you get treatment instead...' option. Prison or treatment option. And option really isn't the right word. Especially when the treatment was aversion therapy and/or chemical castration.

In other words the homophobia already existed, was usually part of the social norms and was again usually enacted in law in some format. The homophobia was there but the diagnosis and treatment simply, and shamefully, added another string to a homophobic society's bow. I don't think that constitutes the creation of homophobia, or the legitimising it. It was already there and just inflitrated another area. The shame for Psychology comes from not standing up to it as a discipline.

Don't get me wrong, Psychology has made some massive mistakes and I say that as a Psychologist, but it is very hard to find an instance where it is something that has developed from the discipline or the people within it. Usually it was a result of the more malleable elements and members mirroring the society they were within. And that to a large extent was and is inevitable. As much as I hate the term 'Social Sciences' Psychology does sit within it, which means it examines, studies, tests and hypothesises about human behaviour and social constructs in one way or another.

TL;DR - Not our fault Guv'.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Every science made some big mistakes in the 19th century, if it's any consolation.
Victorian society was on the whole very prudish, but surely psychology had a hand in the development of the idea of homosexuality as "a thing that some people are" rather than as a hedonistic excess that some people get up to. And as I write this it occurs to me that they were right about that at least; but psychology at the time was also, as a branch of medicine, concerned with making people "normal" and society wasn't ready to accept the normality of men being sexually attracted to other men, until Kinsey et al.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post It might be a case of arguing for a distinction between prudish and suppressed.
With suppressed indicating it was present. Definitately some Victorian jazz mag equivalents with decidedly homosexual content. So present within a subculture and suppressed in the mainstream.

I think you can make the case for Psychology developing the concept of homosexuality but I think that development was limited in comparison with what already existed. Might be one of those agree to disagree areas. Though obviously I strenuously disagree with the original statement re: homophobia ;)
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Homophobia?
Really?

Is that a typo for homosexuality? If that is what you mean, then you seem simply to be parrotting Foucault's claim about homosexuality's having been invented in 1870. Homophobia didn't enter the language until the mid-to-late 20th century, though - which sits oddly with your claim if it's not a typo (and I'm more inclined to trust the SOED than you, to be perfectly honest).

But even if you did have Foucault's claim in mind, and even if we understand it as he meant it to be understood - that is, that homosexuality became a subject of study of a particular sort, rather than just another sub-species of sexual transgression - it's not really clear why it's relevant here...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's not a typo,
see the debate above. My point isn't about inventing the term "homophobia" but rather laying much of the groundwork for the modern social phenomena now called such.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 17:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post thank you for posting that,
well worth the watch of the whole thing. He presents his case flawlessly.
 (I helped save b3ta! miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post and he's only scratching the surface

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER.

(I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 1:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post YES!

(The Incredible Sulk Finally remembered his password on, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 11:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post This made me weep at several points
I am a Christian and I've been speaking out against homophobia to members of my church for some time, I've had a good look at the Bible myself on this issue as well as read/watched/listened to several well put together presentations of these issues. This is the best I've ever seen, with many points that I'd not come across before that were exceptionally strongly argued. Especially so as it was argued from the Christian standpoint. I will be doing my best to make sure that this is seen by as many Christians as possible.
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 10:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post That was an incredibly emotional
Well researched and well presented talk.

It's a shame that his critical thinking has been applied within the teachings of Christianityand not to the belief in God itself.

Although if he wants to be a Christian then that's up to him, I do hope.he manages to change some.minds.
 (PunkDaddy NullPointerException, Mon 27 Aug 2012, 15:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post Although I did have another thought
That he does seem to be condemning Gay Jews to a life of loneliness and self hatred.
 (PunkDaddy NullPointerException, Tue 28 Aug 2012, 8:13, , Reply)
This is a link post Somehow maybe I missed this show.
Seems like it would have been prime material for the Python folks. Originally aired in 1964.
 (I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 5:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post My farts stink of shit.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 10:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Pls Dont Go into pewdies channel if your just gonna say something good i know Novas pretty good in happywheels BUT DONT GO IN PEWDIES CHANNEL TELLING HIM THAT HE SHOULD FUCKING QUIT IN HAPPY WHEELS well you just messed with the bro army And if you cant handle the bro army then Go Suck Novas Dick and shut up -_- PS. FUCK YOU!!
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post ... Eh?

(I helped save b3ta! The Togaboy The world will end on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Just stumbled across it on youtube, made me laugh.
Of no relevance whatsoever, kind of like most of pissy's posts.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 13:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post You get my vote for the next poet laureate.

(I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:41, , Reply)
This is a link post More chill out for your Sunday I made this!
Another full album what I made
(I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post nice work
part way through it now
 (I helped save b3ta! the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post
cheers :)
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post good vibes
*adds to playlist*
 (I helped save b3ta! lustreboy making himself laugh since 1973 (tm), Sun 26 Aug 2012, 1:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post very nice
some original stuff there
 (I helped save b3ta! alpaca muffalo bozzerella, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 3:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Enjoyable Sunday morning tunidge
Nice
 (Sherbs, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 10:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know I'm picking apart a word that's not in the dictionary
but I think you mean tunage?
 (I helped save b3ta! dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post
maybe he has a cold.
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post wow! cheers.
You are certainly prolific.

Edit: Nice chilled stuff, I like it.
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post
ha! thanks :) it's all from my back catalogue of the last seven years, I'll run out eventually!
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:57, , Reply)
This is a link post Where are you on the American Political scale?
Im Moderate Liberal.
Happy with that.
 (Spin Its a thing., Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post interesting!
social: very liberal
economic: moderate republican
overall: moderate democrat.
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's what I got
Apparently socially I'm way out there on the left, which makes me a bit concerned how right-wing the US may be as a whole.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm a liberal democrat
I don't know if I feel good about that, as I don't really understand American politics *meh*
 (I helped save b3ta! catweasle neither a cat nor a weasle, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Liberal Democrat
Nearly off the scale for leftyness, happy with that :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Same here
on both counts. =)
 (I helped save b3ta! Kerrisis There's someone in my head, but it's not me., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post
And here.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb pussy in bio, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^this
Practically pegged on the left side.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Liberal democrat too
Maybe the answers of any sane non-American come out as Liberal Democrat?
 (I helped save b3ta! Corkydog is neither a dog nor made of cork., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm to the left of the liberal democrat in all areas
*proud hippy*

:D
 (I helped save b3ta! lustreboy making himself laugh since 1973 (tm), Sun 26 Aug 2012, 1:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Political quizzes serve only to polarise opinion and generate clicks
Completely agree[X] Mostly agree [ ] Mostly Disagree [ ] Completely Disagree [ ]
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 3:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post right at the tip of the left for me

(augsav forgot about B3ta, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 7:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Weaknesses:eczema?

(I helped save b3ta! MartinH, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 8:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post The average breakdowns are interesting
Hardly any movement between the demographic groups.

18-29 and 65+ are both clustered around the middle for example.
I'm guess the numbers of participants are huge, but feels a little like those kids are jaded.

Far left on all three counts here.
 (Melatonin, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 8:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post I nearly fell of the end of the
very conservative end, you bloody hippies!
 (I helped save b3ta! theniwokeup has been awake since, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 9:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm having some difficulty answering these
as I know fuck all about the state of things in the US.
'There needs to be stricter laws and regulations to protect the environment.'
Well, it sounds all very nice and good to say 'AGREE!', but if I recall correctly the US has thousands of square miles of protected nature reserve and the fallout from things such as that gulf of mexico oil spill is usually pretty big (even if not actually outlined in law).
But isn't more regulation always good? Well, not if you want to make a bonfire for your barbecue, or not have wolves eating all your sheep.

It seems that people's perceptions of their own political leanings affect the quiz rather than the quiz affecting their perception, especially when the people taking the quiz come from another country and are merely giving general answers (e.g. 'environment good!')
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post yup
you'd need to be an expert in US policy to make an informed decision on some of those questions
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post • The growing number of newcomers from other countries threaten traditional American customs and values
Of course I completely agree with the question but I also consider newcomers to America as generally a hard working people who set up businesses and help the economy as they have done in the past.

Of course American customs might be compromised with a influx of people from other customs but do I support this? Yes I do but the question indicated I don't if I answer with completely agree.
 (Fluffster, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post I suppose the key there is in the word threaten.
It's usually pejorative, they seem to be assuming that people will see it negatively.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Very liberal

(I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 11:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Crikey. I answered a few questions that I thought were a bit to the right
yet I came out as left of Liberal Democrat.

I suppose it depends on your perspective. I've always thought that what the UK considers centrist, the USA considers raving leftist.
 (I helped save b3ta! Flowerpot No longer has the vapours thanks to DTH, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 14:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^This^
Note that, thanks to their endorsement of things like the NHS, the Tories are (at least publicly) to the left of the Dems.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post that depends
on whether you are going by what they say before an election, or by what they do after it.

looking at you Health and Social Care Act.
 (Melatonin, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post This^
Answering as honestly as I could, and I don't always tow a traditional liberal line, and was churned out here

I guess my stance on same sex marriage, healthcare, the environment, immigration not effecting American identity, God, and abortion, make me a raving liberal in North American eyes; which is tiresome that some of those things are deemed such major issues in life.

I even thought I might be pushing it to the right, by completely disagreeing with The government should help more needy people even if it means going deeper in debt question, which is one issue where I probably fall straight into the fold of libertarianism. Live within your means, I mean defence spending is mental
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a link post A 50 second musical ditty I made this!
inspired by all the fuss about Prince Harry's bottom being displayed in a newspaper.

It's not big, it's not clever, and it's not quite in tune.
 (I helped save b3ta! Corkydog is neither a dog nor made of cork., Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post They did cover his anus with a star.

(I helped save b3ta! Oysdgp there's nothing to smile ABOUT, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:12, , Reply)
This is a link post getting in the mood for next week ends belgium grand prix from spa
clip from 1985 on the bbc so may not play in your area
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have you seen what Crazy Dave's been up to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6j19v2fSg
 (spunkyD, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:37, , Reply)
This is a link post Muslims destroy shrines in Libya, leave saucy minarets intact.
PHOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!! Eh, lads?
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post You don't do straight as well as I do gay

(I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, god,
you sound like a rapist.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post If I had a pound for every time I'd heard that.....

(I helped save b3ta! Sheriff John Bunnell https://twitter.com/thewonderfulgam, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post You'd have enough to pay bail?

(I helped save b3ta! The Togaboy The world will end on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 1:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Religious extremists behaving like intolerant fascists
Nothing new there then
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post HA HA HA HA!
Brilliant, fingers crossed it results in all those stupid cunts killing each other.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post What a pair!

(I helped save b3ta! Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post this is why I don't buy the whole "Islamic outrage" whenever a Koran is destroyed
Anyone who isn't Muslim trashes (accidentally or not) a copy of the Koran and there are days of protests, effergies burnt, people killed. Islamic militants destroy shrines, churches and temples of other branches of Islam where hundreds of Korans must have been kept, nobody bats an eyelid.
 (I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:34, , Reply)
This is a link post Woman puts her kung fu training to use against a man
pretty impressive stuff
(hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post wow
I wouldn't like to be faced with her in a dark alley!
 (OnionTerror is a bag full of sick, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post press 4
loop
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post thanks. i will be doing this till thursday.

(chopchopchopchop chopchopchopchopchopchopchop, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's my weekend sorted, cheers

(I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Thats no man!
Its nerdy-nerd guy from Nerdsville.
 (Spin Its a thing., Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post oww
That sounded like it hurt :(
 (I helped save b3ta! catweasle neither a cat nor a weasle, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:12, , Reply)
This is a link post Neil Armstrong has died.
Here's an interview from 1970. God bless him and his massive (metaphorical) balls.
(Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Realy? shit that was bad news :{
he was in hospital only a couple of weeks ago having a quadruple bypass i think it was.
this man is an icon of american spirit and adventure, although the preview pic makes him look like patrick moore.

*feels sad*
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is uncanny resemblance, isn't it?

(Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post scary uncanny if you ask me
maybe it was a conspiracy ?

*dons tinfoil scrotum guard and hat *
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Patrick Moore
Does not exist.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post if he is not real . then some one should
tell he doesnt exist .
i would like to see prof brian cox explain to patrick that he isnt real and only exists in his own imagination
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's true, he doesn't exist.
He was all filmed in an aircraft hanger in Nevada.

You can tell because his shadow goes the wrong way.
 (Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post True
Patrick Moore is an alias, his real name is Games Master !
 (I helped save b3ta! Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post no,
Patrick Moore plays the xylophone
 (I helped save b3ta! Duncan Disorderly, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post *Sads*
43 years, and all we have left are 8 men who have stood on the moon.
 (I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post makes me think
how recent all this going to space malarkey really is. We're as far from the moon landings today as they were in 1969 from the General Strike, the League of Nations abolishing slavery, the birth of Kenneth Williams and the death of Houdini and the age of airships.
*lights pipe and settles down to reminisce*
 (I helped save b3ta! Corkydog is neither a dog nor made of cork., Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post A worthy tribute
members.shaw.ca/rlongpre01/moon_tiny.jpg
 (spunkyD, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post haha!
holy fuck!
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post A not so worthy tribute
twitpic.com/show/large/annm28
 (spunkyD, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^ Ahahahaha! Is that real?

(Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Apparently so!

(spunkyD, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 22:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post A good place to post this
www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-11.html
 (I helped save b3ta! Lanc Weekend Trailer Park Supervisor, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Taken the biggest step of all

(I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:54, , Reply)
This is a link post Reg prescot the dangerous diy chracter created by/for kenny everett compilation is 28 mins long
kenny everett as reg prescott the DIY handyman .a collection of nine sketches , featuring reg & the pirhanas,the guillotine,in the kitchen,in the garden and more. from the kenny everett television show
(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post crap out time on the linkydinky
just click the watch on youpube bit
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Legend !!
A childhood hero : )
 (shug, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 9:27, , Reply)
This is a link post Don't torrent in the USA.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Read about this earlier
Completely mental.
 (Huw Edwards #notalljews, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Similar to the ACS Law situation in the UK recently (a company acting on behalf of the studios scan P2P network for IP's).
It sucks and they should put an end to this practice. This chap didn't help himself though with the way he handled it (dubious legal advice seems to have played a part too). He was originally fined 3 grand. beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Lawyer_Copyright_Internet_Law/sony_tenenbaum_091207DecisionSumJudg.pdf
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I hate to say it, but I think the entertainment industry is starting to win the war on pirates.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 23:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I haven't paid for anything in over 10 years
mind you, I am a career criminal...
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 7:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Brick Top?

(I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 12:45, , Reply)
This is a link post The Tiny Tim link below reminded me of this animation
By the Layzell brothers, for Adam Buxton/BUG. Great stuff.
(johnsonthemegafauna, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 20:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post And it comes full circle

(spunkyD, Sat 25 Aug 2012, 21:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post bollocks bollocks bollocks
It's a different vid so it didn't come up as GC. Ah well. I'm a cockface.
 (johnsonthemegafauna, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 15:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll forgive you this once
It is Sunday after all.
 (spunkyD, Sun 26 Aug 2012, 21:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post genius!!! loved that!

(I helped save b3ta! lustreboy making himself laugh since 1973 (tm), Sun 26 Aug 2012, 0:59, , Reply)

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