
Norwegian liberal party "Venstre" suggests legalizing downloading mp3s -
Black metal band Enslaved tracks down party leaders farm and "downloads" one of his sheep.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:20, Reply)

although watching my favourite black metal band rolling in the grass with a sheep is quite funny.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:26, Reply)

I'd like to see a version of this, but with Gaahl from Gorgoroth.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 15:21, Reply)

Gaahl is a veggie so wouldn't go for a sheep. According to his Mum..
"My son is a vegetarian and very fussy about food. He eats absolutely no innards."
Linky
( , Wed 14 Jul 2010, 14:06, Reply)

If they stole a clone of the sheep, and then spent their money on some other sheep by-products like overpriced lamb chops or low quality wooly jumpers at an event that they had to pay over the odds to gain entry to.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:26, Reply)

if you steal a sheep you deprive the owner of the sheep, if you make a copy of something, well fuck they still have the original. All you are really doing is not buying something you wouldn't have bought anyway because it is so overpriced.
Musicians/record companies have got to stop winging and realise they have to make their money another way. I'd be quite happy for record companies to disappear entirely. Musicians will still make music.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:41, Reply)

Yeah, but you won't hear any of it, because they won't have any means of putting it out.
And as for your argument that bands should make money another way, how exactly? Most bands that are signed to medium/smaller labels have to tour relentlessly just to make enough money to make it worth touring. Take Clutch for example. They release an album almost every year, which they then tour relentlessly until it's time to make another one. Where does their money come from? Is it album sales? Is it gig revenue. No. It's T-Shirt sales. If they weren't selling t-shirts at gigs, then they wouldn't break into profit and as such would not be able to fund their next release.
The simple fact is, the internet has made it considerably more difficult for bands to make money from playing music, and it was fucking difficult beforehand.
I play in a band, and we're on the verge of releasing our debut album. We have to pay for pressings ourselves, as well as the cd inlays. If we want to release our album online, we have to pay publishing rights and also pay a percentage of any sales we make to the distributor. And that is on top of the thousands of pounds we'd have spent on studio time to get our album sounding as good as it does (fortunately for us I work in a studio so was able to get us in after hours). So before we even sell one copy of our album (if we even manage that) we're out of pocket.
Record labels front that cash ordinarily, but we aren't signed so it wasn't an option to us. If you get rid of record labels, you get rid of all the money that they have to put into small bands like mine. And the internet is making it so that record labels have less money than they used to, because people aren't paying for the products they release.
And what's the result? Only the dogshit corporate backed fuckholes like Lily Allen will be in any position to release music.
So yeah, let's get rid of the labels, and I'll just stop complaining about it. And in the meantime, you better get as much enjoyment out of the bands you like now, because in a couple of years, if things went the way you describe, none of them will be around and making music.
( , Fri 16 Jul 2010, 17:36, Reply)

But he made his career in a time when few people were doing what he did, and the "industry" was nowhere near as industrialised as it is now. Back in those days, if you wrote good songs, and played them well live (or even just played them with energy, you didn't even have to play that well as Paul Simonon proved) then you could make a living out of it.
These days, you need to play well, look right, have a well produced record/demo, a press pack, a good website, a good myspace page, a music video, and THEN write good songs.
If Joe Strummer was just starting out now, he probably wouldn't get signed. Tragic as that is.
And don't get me wrong, I think it's fucking shit the amount of hoops a band has to jump through just to get noticed. It's like when you go past a pet shop, and the dogs in the window are all jostling with each other going "look at me! look at me!", when if they all teamed up, they could rip the throats out of the shopkeepers and run riot in the town, stealing sausages from butchers and pooing on everythign. Or something like that.
( , Sun 18 Jul 2010, 10:36, Reply)

There will ALWAYS be enough people who are passionate enough about making their music to get it out there, and there will ALWAYS be people who are passionate enough about hearing it to make the effort to get it.
If you're only in it to make money, then you're daft, and you're in the wrong business.
( , Sat 17 Jul 2010, 17:01, Reply)

I work my arse off 6 days a week doing technical support for a college and freelance editing work. Why? To make enough money to support being in a band, because I'd rather die than not play music. If you think I'm only doing it for cash, then you obviously haven't met me and moreover, I'd have to be completely fucking stupid to think that in this day and age I could make enough money from playing guitar at this level to support myself. Which I'm not.
I agree with you however, there will always be enough people who want to make music for it to continue forever, and similarly there will always be people who want to hear it. But have you been to any local shows recently? I live in Manchester, and the music scene here is fucking crap. Unless you want to play indie music. Which I don't.
The sad fact is that the people who truly care about music are very much in the minority, and for a band to ever make a living out playing music you need the rest of the people, the ones who only listen to whatever Kerrang magazine tells them to, to buy your albums.
I'm not into music for money. Not at all. Would I like to be paid to play music for a living, you fucking bet I would. Who the fuck would turn down the chance to do something they love dearly, and have poured countless hours of their lives into (whether they got paid or not), for money? I certainly wouldn't. Give up my job and go touring with my band? Fuck yes. But even if I never make a penny from it in my life, I'll still play in bands regardless.
Which, in a convoluted way, brings me back to my original point. For a band to play music for a living, they have to sell enough of their products to sustain themselves. And that is the dream for most musicians (not to be rich, just to make enough to be able to do nothing else). This is made possible (or easier I should perhaps say) by the process of being signed to a label that has a supply of cash to pay for things like recording sessions and pressings and so on. If people are "stealing" tracks and albums as opposed to paying for them, there is less cash going to record labels and as a knock on effect, less cash for them to put into up and coming bands. And I don't want to get into an argument about how record labels are evil and controlling. They are, but thats a different conversation altogether. They also happen to be a neccessary evil for young bands who need exposure on a wider scale.
Basically, if there was a better, practical alternative to getting signed, everyone would do it. As it stands, the only real alternative is financing a release yourself (like we're doing), but thats not an option for most bands. I'm lucky I work where I do, or we'd have never got the cash together to record an album. It took us 6 months. If we'd have paid for that time, it would have run into the many thousands, without a doubt. Especially considering the spec of the studio.
( , Sun 18 Jul 2010, 10:49, Reply)

I hear they make this thing called the Internet these days.
( , Sun 18 Jul 2010, 20:29, Reply)

I was playing devil's advocate somewhat in my first post. I am aware that the internet provides people with a means of getting their music heard. But frankly, speaking as someone who is trying to do just that, it's like pissing in the ocean. The only notable exception is Lilly Allen, but her dad is fucking Keith Allen so I wonder what really happened there?
You can't seriously think for one minute that an unknown band putting their music on the internet is going to get you as wide an audience as being signed to a well known label is. It just isn't. Try it and see.
( , Sun 18 Jul 2010, 22:27, Reply)

Except that what they're doing is actually stealing rather than copyright infringement. If they were able to take a copy of his sheep, they'd have a point.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 19:10, Reply)

except that bands don't make any money from having their "original copy", whereas a farmer does. He can take that sheep and sell it, and get another sheep. Bands are reliant on selling their "copies".
Think of it like owning an apple tree, and having someone take the apples. You can grow more apples, because you still have the tree, but why the fuck should you?
( , Fri 16 Jul 2010, 17:46, Reply)

On the other hand, why the heck shouldn't you? Fruit grows from trees naturally, and the only real work involved in in the harvesting. The people stealing the apples are doing that to. Owning a fruit tree is literally getting moneu for nothing, simply because you already have enough money to invest in these things.
This thing called the internet is amazing, because it's taking the power out of the hands of those with the money and putting it back into those with the skills and the talent. Now most people can do themselves what a record label did 20 years ago, and the record companies are stuggling to maintain their monopolies and power. They will lose in the end.
( , Sun 18 Jul 2010, 23:15, Reply)

This reminds me of Pookiesnackenburger's Iron Lung.
( , Fri 16 Jul 2010, 20:41, Reply)

You will love this more than you thought possible, especially if you had an amiga.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:11, Reply)

But wasn't sure if The Residents would be known in /linksland.
(I'm not as big a fan as I was when I was a teen, but still love the commercial album).
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 16:59, Reply)

But I LOVE this! I used to think I was a whizz on DPIII, but I couldn't have made anything like that!
( , Fri 16 Jul 2010, 10:23, Reply)

It must be true. I read it on the internet.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:58, Reply)

I suspect Wikpedia trolling and a lazy web content researcher have combined to devastating effect.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:33, Reply)

A little old but a bit of fun nonetheless.
nsfw for first image.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:26, Reply)

Simply, how did no one spot some of those before they went into production??
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:53, Reply)

But it's giving me a migraine just trying to find out what it on offer.
Those tellies look cheap though.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:24, Reply)

it made me laugh
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:24, Reply)

I read the article first thing this morning & didn't notice her.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:02, Reply)

is about to be taken down by a ninja!
us and them and all that
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:32, Reply)

I don't get why that's funny.
( , Wed 14 Jul 2010, 13:09, Reply)

i guarantee you'll either be mugged or not appreciated
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:01, Reply)

She's mildly cretinous.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:13, Reply)

What people will look like... in a BILLION years
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:40, Reply)

in which champion jockey Lestor Piggott fell from his horse and had to be destroyed.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:44, Reply)

eheheheeeh eeheheheh eehehehe heeeeee I wonder who got the power pack eheee eheeeee eheheee eheeeee NEWS!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:52, Reply)

Brought me out of my work induced Coma.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:46, Reply)

I couldnae see where the chuff I was going.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:08, Reply)

Daily Mail confirms we are all going to die of cancer.
Did a search so I hope its not GC.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:33, Reply)

That cancer isn't in any shape or form alive. It's not something you ingest or inhale and wasn't designed to happen that list becomes obsolete.
It's just a "whoops" that occasionally happens to our brilliantly resilient, amazingly adaptable and beautiful design when the concious of that body, willing or unwillingly exposes the body to unstable elements and chemical compounds.
It's inescapable, it can't, and will not go away. It's only treatable with toxic and deadly substances and along with some of the auto-immune diseases, is the biggest blight on our kind.
I won't even try and understand what a horrible expierence it is, and my heart really does go out to everyone thats ever been affected by it. I believe they should be given as much care as humanly possible, and research into treatments should never stop.
The mind however, is no way as resilient as the body. And to throw it into the media serves no teaching, no wisdom and only serves to alienate the population from the blessing of life they have... and remind the sufferers of the blessing they have lost.
The fact that people use this to make a profit, makes me lose my sense of humour.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:17, Reply)

and then make a copy of the copy, etc.
( , Wed 14 Jul 2010, 13:13, Reply)

And the other 50% cures it. So it's all good.
The funny thing is that the first thing on the list, 'age', is dead right. Despite there being plenty of younger people getting cancer, increased average life expectancy is probably the biggest factor in increasing the statistical probability of the average person getting cancer during their life.
( , Wed 14 Jul 2010, 13:10, Reply)

"This Hubblecast features a spectacular new NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope image - one of the largest ever released of a star-forming region. It highlights N11, part of a complex network of gas clouds and star clusters within our neighbouring galaxy, the Large Magellanic Cloud. This region of energetic star formation is one of the most active in the nearby Universe."
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Hubble can just zoom and zoom and zoom .. awesome!!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:56, Reply)

Is it somewhere near Turnpike Lane?
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:05, Reply)

Think Tesco's on the North Circ..
It does actually look like that
"the Large Magellanic Cloud" Fwarrrr say it again baby, say it again
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:35, Reply)

I mean...not literally. Not like out back by the bins.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:43, Reply)

I'm there too. I know another member is around the same area too.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:08, Reply)

FINCHLEY MEET, LALALALAAAA! FINCHLEY MEET, LALALALAAAAAA!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:19, Reply)

now I know those 2 buses and I know that there's only a short bit of road that both these buses use so now I've I just used the internet to find out where a random girl lives, by mistake.
I have alot of reservations about contacting her about it as I am only an accidental internet stalker and can still manage to keep both my hands out of my pants.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 15:49, Reply)

They go past where I live they do.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 15:59, Reply)

so i made te mashups to proove it.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:54, Reply)

Bloody hell. I had only heard a 30 sec clip before that.
Actors are fricking mental!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:31, Reply)

WHO ARE YOU I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE I AM JUST SITTING AT HOME EATING CEREAL IN MY PANTS I AM A NORMAL PERSON
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:39, Reply)

you could have just shown him the video.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:20, Reply)

b3ta doesn't sit opposite me...only a few select members!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:43, Reply)

at least one of them is a sociopath.
Fuck me. Maybe he was running lines with her...
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:09, Reply)

There should probably be a paragraph break there...
(lots of views, cock GC in its facehole)
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:36, Reply)

this classic from the BBC www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWFypHb48k
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:41, Reply)

Eighty-six votes...
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:44, Reply)

It's just wrong, really really wrong.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:32, Reply)

Which also featured Rocky Carroll, aka Inspector Vance off of NCIS.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:38, Reply)

anyone has a screen grab of the keyboard player that featured in last week's IT Crowd. He looked very special.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:42, Reply)

But the Countdown episode was superb.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:44, Reply)

series has been good so far... but last week's was a tad disappointing
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:14, Reply)

Sadly.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:19, Reply)

Used to think the same about Black Books.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:25, Reply)

S2 rode on S1's back and was good.
S3 just didn't make the cut.
S4 is promising.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:49, Reply)

They're almost always a disappointment. vide Goodness Gracious Me, That Mitchell and Webb Sound (though series 4 was a return to form), and any number of other things.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:01, Reply)

which was the best one they ever did, I reckon :)
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:18, Reply)

"Work Outing" S02E01 is the best IT crowd episode.
& if you don't agree with me you are wrong
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:43, Reply)

mostly for the pull-quotes on the poster for 'Gay; A Gay Musical'
"Not as long as some other musicals."
( , Wed 14 Jul 2010, 13:20, Reply)

when he's actually a snob.
it doesn't mention him directing that the arctic monkeys at the apollo and one of their music vids (the one with the clowns)
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 13:56, Reply)

Wasn't that the cheese guy played by Rich Fulcher?
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 17:04, Reply)

but it's well worth another watch
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:16, Reply)

is it part of a bigger project/film or a one off short?
Edit: Fuck it, a quick google and I find out it's from a Garth Ennis comic... (and a possible film soon too?) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pro_(comics)
I used to be really into British comic stuff, I stopped a long time ago, stuff like this reminds me why I liked it.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:29, Reply)

Morning BETA!
Just saw someone had finally uploaded some clips of our little kiddy show Big Babies to Youtube. So I hope you don't mind me spreading the word as we really wanna get the show out there to older big kids too.
Its all on this random Youtube Channel. www.youtube.com/user/sodomizingdeviants
Shame out of all the people on youtube the person that uploads our FAMILY kids show has a user name SODOMIZINGDEVIANTS. Blimey.
Cheers dudes.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:25, Reply)

I saw him compering at a comedy club and I recognised him and said hello.
He was most pleased and it made his ratty little bespectacled comedy partner jealous and cross.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:39, Reply)

Ahh I'm his partner in Big Babies. I don't do comparing. I think I know who you mean though.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:56, Reply)

Phew more relief for me.
I'd hate to bump into someone on a bad gig night and them think you're an arse. Could easily come accross like that after a depressing comedy night. :)
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:00, Reply)

Was funny, mind. I take my hat off to anyone who does live comedy. It would terrify the living cock out of me.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:07, Reply)

and i dont have kids yet.. brilliant stuff
DVD coming out for when i do?
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:49, Reply)

Ahh amazing!
I have now become quite the CBBC fan. Bloody love Hacker the dog!
Would be great if the beeb got a dvd of it. Dunno what will happen there.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:52, Reply)

Incidentally, I made some animations for Ian and Hacker late last year: www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05BQL4QoUo
The guy who plays Hacker is a top bloke, hilarious outakes!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 14:32, Reply)

HAHA Bloody brilliant!
Space hopper security guards and everything.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 15:09, Reply)

which is normally a sign that your stuff is catching on :-)
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:58, Reply)

Yeah. Thats cool. I didn't realise someone had uploaded the whole thing to youtube.
:)
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:01, Reply)

I find it so hard watching things like this without thinking about all the technical wizardry involved - do you have to stick things on the babies faces for motion tracking?
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:04, Reply)

Haha. No. That would be give the child minders a heart attack! We copy the movements in the green screen studio afterwards. It takes ages but worth it when you time you head with the babies body.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:07, Reply)

works really well though, i suspect motion tracking would look a bit weird
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:25, Reply)

We have an amazing after effects team put together by a bloke called Paul Tursley who works on films mainly etc.
Pretty much everyone on it comes under our comedy collective group Broken Biscuits.
Lead by Spencer Jones and Director Jon Riche.
Several Actors/comedians, After effects artists, Editor, DOP, Director, Writer, Wardrobe, Sound designer. All people who have met whilst doing other stuff and wanted to start producing something we can all say is ours. A bit like a mini cult. :)
Here's some adult stuff.
www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/show/p002qt1q/broken_biscuits/
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:37, Reply)

After seeing the clip on links yesterday I started watching the rest and have decided this is the greatest show out there. I've been passing the links round family and friends and not one of them is younger than 16.
There'd better be a DVD. WOOFIT!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:42, Reply)

Quite addictive isn't it. Although the Rainy Day episode wouldve scared the crap outta me as a kidling.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:13, Reply)

But the end of ducks did give me a vietnam style flashback to the time me and my grandad got surrounded by angry geese (and sea pigeons).
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:43, Reply)

thing on the picture box!
The Gonch is comedy gold. It has also turned into a little Sunday morning ritual here, A fry up and Big Babies to fight off that dreaded hangover.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:47, Reply)

HAHA mint.
We were hoping it would get onto Sunday mornings for that reason.
Though 9am is bloomin early to be waking up with a hangover!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 11:51, Reply)

where do you get all of the awsome baby outfits? My sister is due to drop a little one very soon and I feel that these could be just the type of baby gift that would go down very well.
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:05, Reply)

Ahhh Yes very good point.
All the knitted stuff is done by this talented lady.
www.theminiatureknitshop.co.uk
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 12:08, Reply)

I could've uploaded them!
Best show since sliced bread btw!
OH MY DAYS... BO!
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 20:34, Reply)

I watch this with my 6 and 4 year olds, out of the three of us I'm the one laughing the most, and to find out it's a b3tan behind it! Stunning work!
( , Fri 16 Jul 2010, 17:08, Reply)

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games.slashdot.org/story/10/07/09/1740240/Blizzard-Backs-Down-On-Real-Names-For-Forums
( , Tue 13 Jul 2010, 10:52, Reply)

b3ta.com/links/479477
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