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This is a link post Another shooting in Merika.
Noone killed this time (except the gunman), but three injured in a hospital in Alabama.

If only the patients had been armed. Because nothing screams safety like terrified and confused people with guns.

UPDATE: This is worth reading, from what is - for my money - the best blog in the world (and certainly the best blog written by octogenarian grandmothers): margaretandhelen.com/2012/12/15/guns-do-not-kill-people-they-make-it-easier-to-kill-people/
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Service Unavailable
Perhaps the internet got hit in the crossfire

Edit: Ok, working
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hmmm: works for me.
But there's not much to it. Man goes to hospital. Man has gun. Man shoots people. Man is killed by police.

Oh, yeah - let's not forget the other shooting in Oregon on Tuesday: www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2012/12/clackamas_town_center_shooting_1.html - you know, the trivial one.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nothing unusual there then
/moves on
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post I thought for a minute then that there was a shooting scheduled in for Oregon on Tuesday

(I helped save b3ta! krang, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post There quite possibly is.

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've got something slightly long winded and surprising to say about this
but I don't want to come off all wanky, opinionated and pseudo intellectual teenager, so if it's alright with everyone I'll only post it on a request.
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Requested.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've cut it down a lot!..
Now I consider myself, much to Enzyme's, chagrin, as being on the libertarian right wing. I believe that for as long as the 2nd amendment is in force, it should be obeyed and respected. However, I do not support the amendment myself. I feel that it should be totally repealed as it has no practical relevance to the modern world. I support the right of the American states to make any laws against weapons(though not the US Federal Government.
If anyone starts the "2nd Amendment didn't cover private citizens just the millitary" balls, I'll expand
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Civil society is a passing phase. Give it a few years & the right to bear arms will be very relevant.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm surprised, i though you'd be a leftwing liberal.

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post Clegg's a cunt.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Not LibDem, just, sort of Socialist/Hippie.
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hope you are joking.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh..
are you part of the right wing minority on this site then?
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'right wing minority'
You obviously haven't met links own neo-nazi Tab Hunter yet.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I know me, Monty, "Amberl" and "Racheswipe" supported the Tories.
All the political jokes on this site come at the expense of the Tories/Republicans/UKIP/neoLiberals though (or even worse, jokes claiming left of centre parties aren't nearly left wing enough- errant nonsense), and most here seem to be of the leftie persuasion.
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Political parties/groups are generally rather silly.
But people buy into them and continue to allow them to rule over their lives. I used to be very interested in politics but learnt that it is more fun to be free.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like him ...
he'll do anything for a fiver.
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post CaC.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post or is it CaCaC ? :D

(mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 0:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post CaCaMaC

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 0:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post What?!
You've misinterpreted him somewhat I think
 (I helped save b3ta! morrybyte made a subtle namechange at, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 1:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hope so

(BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post How would you answer the argument "If you make weapons illegal, only criminals will have weapons"?
Just out of interest
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:52, , Reply)
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It's never been empirically proven. Gun deaths are more prevalent the higher the legal ownership of guns, theres a strong correlation. I saw a graph yesterday, I'll try and find it somewhere.
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Could we let the police keep their guns?
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes.
Infact i'd want that for the UK too, for at least 30% of officers.
 (Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'd politely disagree with that
I have no problem with members of the Police forces being armed. Armed Response units serve a useful and valid purpose. I see no compelling justification for arming regular officers though.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post This
We don't like people being shot over here, we like tazers (well, except Pedantichrist if I remember correctly).
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post Criminals don't shoot up primary schools, as it's not in their interests.
Criminals have guns anyway, it's the curious toddler, the jumpy texan and the mentally ill school shooter that you want to legislate guns further away from.

People say guns don't kill people, ok. What else do they do?
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post I wonder if there is any research into what motivates these people to commit murder.
At some point the killer must feel that it is the only option to go guns-a-blazing and have nothing to loose. I suppose that this could be a long time in advance and give them time to think through the kill fest. It would be interesting to gain an insight into the route to the act.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Computer games,
innit.
 (FartThroughAWalkieTalkie wished you were dead in ditch on, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Word.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post
excel does my head in as well
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Word 2003 for me.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post charlie brooker link earlier today has the psychologist making the case that they are actively seeking the news coverage they generate
and that a big help would be to make the coverage local only and boring as hell.
 (Stonkwood Pipes made me do it, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Brooker is an irrelevant twat.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post research...
more research, and inquiries, won't sbdy think of those who would otherwise be out of work without a good old inquiry, enquiry. let's all spunk some cash at it. problem solved.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think that there's a fair bit.
Whether any of it's conclusive is a different matter.

I'm with you in a lot of this: there must be a strange sort of breaking point in a lot of these - a kind of despair (I can't think of a better word). Sometimes it's mental illness, for sure. Sometimes it's not. It's fascinating, though.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have nothing of use to contribute to this
but I like Margaret and Helen very much.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Sun 16 Dec 2012, 0:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post *yawns*
seriously, gun crime, in a country where gun ownership is not illegal? please don't break the news about the bear, who sh...
 (itilliterate, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 0:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post It appears that age does gift wisdom.
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 (I helped save b3ta! sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 1:09, , Reply)
This is a link post Futurama meets renewable heating
Hot Bender action
 (I helped save b3ta! Ibstock, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post I want that

(I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pff. Who makes a stove out of wood
idiots.
 (I helped save b3ta! maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Sun 16 Dec 2012, 10:44, , Reply)
This is a link post Wevie Stonder. two links in a row but sod it, it's quiet tonight

(I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hehe
I'm just off to paly this again.
Maybe even a little louder second time around.
 (I helped save b3ta! P-MONKE We're all fucked, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've just ordered "The bucket" off the interwebs.
How's that for a result...
 (I helped save b3ta! P-MONKE We're all fucked, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post
lovely stuff:)
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't do the 2L bucket.
Stick to the 1/2L ones, much better.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post I had no idea what this was going to be...
But i was pleasantly surprised. *Kerlick*
 (Tivert, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 9:24, , Reply)
This is a link post Short film by Alan Moore, looks interesting

(I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Cheers.
I love his 2000AD stuff and would have expected the numerous 2000AD fans on here to have thanked you more ('scuse the pun) for this. Looks interesting.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jabberwoc misses D.R. and Quinch, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 10:06, , Reply)
This is a link post 26 moments from 2012 that restored a little faith in humanity.
I know it's bloggery bollocks but god knows we need a bit of cheer at the moment.
 (Paolo Nutini's Bikini Better than Frederick Fleet's optometrist, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Cheers for that
clicks
 (I helped save b3ta! slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Boo. Not a single gun to be seen.
Typical left-wing media bias.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Number 10.
Not only a gun, but given to a blind child. Fantastic.
 (I helped save b3ta! Ghoti Fingers, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Stop showing me up, Mum!

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 14:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post It got very dusty in here about four pictures down
By the end I could barely focus. Thank you :')
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post I was doing fine until that last picture...

(I helped save b3ta! rjmrjm, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post cac, right?

(Paolo Nutini's Bikini Better than Frederick Fleet's optometrist, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly.
Especially one called 'barnabas'.
 (pissflaps. FSPW, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 22:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Jealous!!

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 14:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is a pity
That human nature is not like this 24/7

Nice link
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post That made me retch

(I helped save b3ta! Grrrmachine the indifference engine, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 9:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post How do we know that in number 20 they're not lowering the cat into the water?

(Haywood Manley, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 14:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post lovely :D

(I helped save b3ta! lustreboy making himself laugh since 1973 (tm), Mon 17 Dec 2012, 16:30, , Reply)
This is a link post exboxer mike tyson in shock sex change allegations
except it didnt happen and was a spoof news story just like the onion did on that person who was spoofed on news strory that wasnt true shockker
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a link post Australian Chef Out takes

(I helped save b3ta! magnum, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's exactly how i expect my Australian chefs to act

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Faacking caant!!!
 (Benzyl, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Is the program called Tourette's Kitchen?

(I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Mon 17 Dec 2012, 5:23, , Reply)
This is a link post GC says query failed NSFW
but I'd do whatever this guy says, he looks pretty serious.
(howacearemonkeys itsaspoonerism, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post
*gets out of the way*
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't know the original version, but this has got to be better.

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ukulele players are cunts

(I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^ what Lady Fancyknickers said.

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Truthfully, Ukelele Players are Cunts, Self-Harming Arses, Knaves, Utter Rotters.
TUPAC SHAKUR.
 (Jimbotfu Bummed in the gob again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:17, , Reply)
This is a link post the coanda effect
so i was reading about the changes to the F1 2014 car design specs on the BBC and it mentioned The Coanda Effect. this is the effect in action...
(bruxia, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post really need a pee now

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post They tried it as a replacement for sails on boats.
Not surprisingly, it didn't fly.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post but did it sail?

(I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Sun 16 Dec 2012, 6:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post i bet they havnt got tiles like that at mercedes F1 factory
also must be a single man .
no married man would dare make amess in the kitchen
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post Billions spent
And all was needed was a plastic teaspoon
 (I helped save b3ta! The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post
wow, I think that the first vote for a video ive posted. thats made my day :)
 (bruxia, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 23:25, , Reply)
This is a link post Vibrating tortoise
How did they discover this treatment?
 (RJWEcology is just sharpening his axe on, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post You forgot "I made this!"

(I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post ha!

(RJWEcology is just sharpening his axe on, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 20:08, , Reply)
This is a link post trekwars
contains Simon Pegg and Nick Frost, it's from 2009 and has a lot of views, but GC said something about your mum
(I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahahahaha
That was great!
 (I helped save b3ta! Frogbeat, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post
lovely stuff :)
 (I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:00, , Reply)
This is a link post A lovely tune I made I made this!
Watch yer bass bins I'm telling ya
 (Sonny_Jim Kirkladn has a small penis, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bloody good, that.

(I helped save b3ta! - D - SharkTrousers, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post like

(fulcannelli, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post That complemented my can of stella and joint nicely
cheers
 (I helped save b3ta! CysticSpazzGland has just puwked on your mum, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Super stuff!
I was looking for something to warm up the new amplifier board I've installed in my active sub today.
I'll bet the neighbours love it!
 (I helped save b3ta! P-MONKE We're all fucked, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Very nice sir!
But didn't get any brain-shake from the bass. Refund?
 (SimianKid internet faffer, Mon 17 Dec 2012, 14:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post lovely beats going on there

(I helped save b3ta! rofl harris, Tue 18 Dec 2012, 16:43, , Reply)
This is a link post The solution to stopping any further school shooting sprees.
Not fewer guns, but more guns. In schools! Yay!

Kinda illustrative of the sort of mindset that's got to be overturned in order for any sort of effective gun control system to be introduced.
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Cousins shouldn't procreate.

(I helped save b3ta! Floppy Donkey crawled out of the ditch., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post any sort of effective gun control system...
is doomed before its introduction; the genie is already out of the bottle. if any gun laws required the surrender of now outlawed arms, only the law abiding would comply. the criminal fraternity would not, so many would argue they need to retain their arms to protect themselves against criminals. it's too late unfortunately, although why automatic and semi-automatic weapons were ever legal is beyond my ken. it is also too late for us (UK) to start driving on the right, which is a shit comparison, but it's all i've got.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post They can keep selling guns
Just ban bullets. They'll gradually run out.
 (spunkyD, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post How many criminals have they got?

Make possession of a fire arm a life sentence. Make having bullets in your possession the same.

Trust me, it wouldn't take too long to weed out the scum. You are talking about people who are basicaly cowards to start with. When a few of these sad fat fucks are sitting in San Quentin hoping they don't get raped, it'll drop right off.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post if only it were that simple

(itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is that simple.

Who's said it isn't?

All those 'patriots'?
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh sorry, my mistake...
remind me, how did that war on drugs work out?
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post nothing like this?


You can't 'take' guns.

How did banning automatic weapons and hand guns work out in the UK?

Oh yeah....really fucking well.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh yeah...
i remember well when the UK decided to ban outright handguns post Dunblane, even though their ownership was already extremely strictly regulated. i felt then, as i do now, that a total blanket ban was a knee-jerk over-reaction made by fools who believe that they can legislate against the dark side of human nature. it didn't work out particularly well as guess what, some people don't give a shit if is a handgun is illegal or not, and many handguns continue to be used to wound and kill, so it didn't solve the problem.

as for the banning of automatic weapons, i don't remember that, because it never fucking happened, because they were never legal in the first place.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post You wouldn't remember automatic weapons being banned
it was in 1937.

Semi-automatics went after Hungerford.

Handguns after Dunblane. As you say 'strictly regulated' but not so strictly that Thomas Hamilton couldn't own several...

How many people were shot and killed by handguns in 2011 in the UK?
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post
what, am i your google bitch now? don't know, don't care, going to the pub, yes banning all guns will solve everthing in a very short period of time, it is also a realistic and achievable political aim that will easily be legislated for. oh and aren't americans cunts? happy now?
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have fun!

(I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post 2010/11 figures reveal offences commited with handguns was at 3,105
down from its peak (since 1969) of 5,874 in 2002, yet still not below the pre 1996 average. the number of offences committed with shotguns, which happen to be legal btw, was 608.
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post hand gun crime went up

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post crime gun hand went up

(I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post gun up went hand crime

(I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post up went gun crime hand?

(I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Define "Hand gun crime".
If the statistics include the new offence of "posession", then of course they'll go up.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post the statistics do not include posession, they are crimes in which handguns were used, robbery etc

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Handguns are smaller
hence, easier to conceal, ship, sell illegally etc etc
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post yes
and?
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post
yes
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post
That would be an ecumenical matter
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Guns became illegal.
If you want to keep / sell an illegal item, you'll want to keep it hidden. Small things hide easy. It's in their nature.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post that doesn't explain why the use of handguns in violent crime went up though does it?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post But did the use of larger, automatic weapons and shotguns go down?
I don't have any stats, but they more than likely did, and were replaced by easier to conceal handguns. There are prob a lot of other factors at play here, if the fact that what you state is even true at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post what larger automatic weapons?
there a lot of factors at play, which is why effective policing and education work a lot better than blanket bans.
www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn01940.pdf
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm sorry I don't agree.
If guns are made illegal, ie hard to get hold of them, you will reduce these problems. Gun crime will still happen, it's inevitable, but making them less available helps to control them against pointless misuses (a 6 year old child finding his parents guns and shooting his brother dead for example)
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Sun 16 Dec 2012, 11:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah because anyone who owns a firearm deserves a life sentence

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post They do when they're illegal.
They've become part of the problem.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post which ones would you make illegal

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post the ones you can use to kill people
or make people think they can be killed with, like a replica in a robbery etc.

Law enforcement allowed to keep theirs until such time that gun crime has dropped to a level where they don't need them.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post then what would you ban?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post liquorice whips
liquorice fucking whips
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post why pick on them?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post they are just the first target
in my confectionery campaign of violence
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post surely boiled sweets kill more?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post you can do a lot of damage
with a sherbert lemon
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm suprised no government has banned that 'death by chocolate' stuff
guns don't kill people, schwarzwälder kirschtorte kills people
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post guns don't kill people
rappers do. I seen it on a documentary on bbc2
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post do you really call it schwarzwälder kirschtorte?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post no but it's one of the first things I ever learnt in German
and I think, up until this point, I have had absolutely no use for it
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nowt

I think that'd do.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post knives?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Should all illegal things
carry a life sentence?

Might make prisons a bit expensive to run.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post No.

But getting guns out of reach is a big mission that requires hard action.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post About 7 times the European average.
If you think that's bad I suggest you don't look up a breakdown by ethnicity.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post i thought the guns used in this shooting were held legally.
A gun ban might not remove all guns from criminals immediately - although the number in circulation would inevitably drop over time - but it would make it a lot harder for mentally ill people to get their hands on them.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post
i'm glad we have very tight gun laws in the UK, but people still get shot here quite often, plus three massacres in my lifetime. i just think that it's a change that will never come in the US for historical, cultural, political and practical reasons. any significant change is destined to fail in a similar way to prohibition, which is a shit comparison etc etc
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think an interview with a local firearms officer on application of a firearms license
and subsequent evaluations over a certain time period, much like we have in the UK, would be a better proposition than a blanket ban.
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's a large industry, a ban will never be allowed

(macroscian (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post I might buy one of their T-Shirts.
They come in the usual sizes...XXXL, XXXXL and 'Medium'.
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Jabba, Jabber and Jabster.

(I helped save b3ta! Floppy Donkey crawled out of the ditch., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post oath keepers, lol
how american
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Coxxy was on here last night implying that the problem was that the school staff weren't armed.
'Cos, obviously, a shootout at a school us a great idea.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post i like Coxxy. i think he's great.
but when it comes to guns, he's either trolling, or deeply deluded.
 (augsav forgot about B3ta, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ooh. Fuck me.
"Deluded"? That's putting it mildly.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post wow...
think i prefer our unarmed population + largely unarmed police force as an alternative
 (I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post I put that fucktard on ignore and suddenly B3TA is B3TA again not 4chan

(Captain_lambkin adifferent.me, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good god.
I took him off ignore so that I could see what you were talking about.

He's back on now.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 21:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post surely a wind up?

(I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nope. He likes his guns.
also, what Augsav said ^^
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post after last night
I have a new image in my head whenever anyone refers to him as a "raging gun nut"

So I'd like to take the opportunity to request that people don't do that
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think Herbs I'd gonna kill you if she reads this.
Also Cheers! I'd managed to erase that scintillating memory.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post well
you're the one who implicated herbs in my intentionally vague reference to a conversation which *clearly never happened*

Talking of erasing scintillating memories, I'd almost forgotten about the shilling until I saw my hand this morning

also "I'd gonna kill you" ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Miranda's just sent an angry message on fuckbook:
apparently, we left a long message on his answerphone at stupid o'clock this morning. Oops.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post we did?
or you did?
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post well...
bodycount might have been lower.
 (itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post almost as low as if no one was allowed guns in the first place

(I helped save b3ta! Mousing, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post we are a long long way past the first place

(itilliterate, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post the problem is that mad people have easy access to guns,
not that people dont have the means to defend themselves from mad people with guns.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Arm all of the teachers.
What happens when a teach goes postal?

Or a kid gets hold of one of the guns?

Or theres a big shootout with lots of kids standing round to catch the bullets?
 (I helped save b3ta! retrofly How about a link to a picture of something funny.., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post aren't there countries out there which also have lots of guns
but dont generally use them for mass murder? There's no doubt people do this kind of shit because its easy, but I'd be interested to know why they want to do it at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post switzerland possibly?
but they're mostly government issued and come with a lot of training attached
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think they'er just not particularly shooty, which is perfect.
Canada's also pretty gun-crazy, but with a bit less of the actual "crazy".
 (I helped save b3ta! Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post remember all that fuss when janet jackson got her tit out on national tv
they get more upset about a tit than they do about blood and guts being on tv
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Swiss
Once you turn 20 you're conscripted and are given a gun to keep at home.
Most of the population is conscripted into a peoples militia when they become adults.

Up until recently you were also give a sealed box of bullets in case the country was invaded whilst you were away from base.

After 10 years (or 14 for officers) you are deemed to have done your duty but are given the chance to keep the gun downgraded from automatic to semi.

They have a bit of gun crime but not at this level.
Could be the discipline and training from conscription stops people going on sprees or weeds out those that are nutters.

A gun is not an inherently evil machine just as a knife or a car.
The problem is the power that can give someone who has the notion to do evil.

I think there's other countries with U.S level of gun ownership too like Canada but I don't know enough about them.

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Maybe it's because i'm getting older but I like the swiss model.
They don't pick fights with anyone and people leave them alone because they're all armed to the teeth.
They also have placed explosives on strategic bridges, roads and tunnels in case of invasion.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post yes but they also tend to have better mental health care provision than the US.

(benito vaselini no not that one, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 19:58, , Reply)
This is a link post Art Vandal I made this!
I wrote the story and got Nik Castenada to animate it
(I helped save b3ta! Edd: The Unfunny Try-Hard Edgelord, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 15:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post cute style

(macroscian (1 like), Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post nice :)

(I helped save b3ta! Floppy Donkey crawled out of the ditch., Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post Lovely stuff.

(I helped save b3ta! - D - SharkTrousers, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 16:55, , Reply)
This is a link post one of the co inventors of the bar code just dieded on sunday past
is his grave stone going to be in bar code or his coffin placke ?
could be a source of problems when it doesnt come up and says item not found
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 15:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think it's already been done over on /board.

(I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Sat 15 Dec 2012, 17:09, , Reply)

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