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This is a link post Clint Mansell - The British Masters
Interesting interview (I thought) with Clint Mansell
(ohidunno, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post great, thanks
I used to follow the poppies on tour, kit bag in hand and travel fox on feet
 (I helped save b3ta! shitkicker, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:54, , Reply)
This is a link post FYI
Ill be putting this in my diary tonight, but just incase anyone has a few minutes to update their diary now... here you go.
 (Dan dan dan They tik urh jerbs!!!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Here's a Twitter tip for those in the Leave camp:
Start following @EU_Commission and unfollow them even if Brexit doesn't happen.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post What a mind numbingly boring feed
That feed will probably cement the views of people who want to leave and sow very real doubts in the minds of people who had intended to vote remain
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:25, , Reply)
This is a link post something to read that isnt leave or remain
Mass shooting tracker
makes grim reading looking at how many there have been in the US
22 so far since 4th june untill 14th june and 182 this year with 288 dead and 673 injured
 (I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post :(
This site can’t provide a secure connection

www.massshootingtracker.org uses an unsupported protocol.
ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATC
 (Dr_Goats Stop staring at me, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is funny how this has been renamed a "mass shooting" instead of a "terrorist attack"
In France, they called Bataclan a "terrorist attack", not a "mass shooting."
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 18:14, , Reply)
This is a link post Nice dutch newspaper is nice
This is the one of the only nice things I've seen from a European country during this unedifying shitefest of a referendum. A couple more articles like this, rather than French, German and Spanish people saying "fuck off we don't want you anyway" and I could even consider voting.


 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post awwww, *bums*

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post *fondles*

(BombayMick Dogs are better than cats, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post *piles on*

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Thu 16 Jun 2016, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post "Films"

(smellysamlyingcable Seaman on, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like Dutch, it's such a funny-sounding language

(I helped save b3ta! Woodkovsky β˜ΉοΈβžπŸš»βžπŸš½βžπŸ˜£βžπŸ’©βžπŸ§»βžπŸ˜, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post
when you're standing pissed in a bar with dutchies all around you, it sounds exactly like geordie
 (I helped save b3ta! wideeye slightly pickled, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post It sounds painful to speak

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Already looking at Netherlands as a possible
for a post brexit move.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Fuck yeah
Either that or Belgium.
 (MC Chicken Sandwich Me gusta ver la pornografía de los milfs., Thu 16 Jun 2016, 16:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's appealing to the same wanky nationalism Farage does

(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post No it's appealing to the opposite wanky nationalism
The biggest difference is that I'm quite likely to respond positively to someone being overwhelming positive but I'll almost definitely respond negatively to someone being negative (which is BOTH sides of this coat-hanger abortion of a referendum)
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Royals, check
Brideshead revisited, check
Stiff upper lip, check,
The fallen, check

that 2nd para could be rejigged into a UKIP manifesto quite easily
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post as for the positive/negative thing
I imagine in the minds of people voting Leave, every day after will be like when the London Olympics was on. Remain have to counter that with 'negativity' as you call it. I prefer to see it as sane, rational argument
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've got a continuous loop of The Good Life going on in my head.
Less EU more Felicity Kendals.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post "The Beatles, Bridget Jones, One Direction..."
This is just sarcasm isn't it?
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post It really could be, yep

(I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post .
"Your boys took one hell of a beating!"
 (I helped save b3ta! sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post It must be, they were obviously enjoying the Beatles before we even joined the EU

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post Enjoying the Beatles is suspicious enough in itself.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not all happy days though
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/06/netherlands-eu-immigration-liberalism-european
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post The UK isn't the only country thinking about leaving.
We're just the first to be given a choice.
Once we're gone I suspect the rest of the EU is going to make it harder to leave.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Dear Holland,
If it was just the two of use maybe we could have made it work.
You're nice and friendly with some quite pretty features.

Thing is you want an open relationship and I admit it was exciting for a while but it's gotten out of hand.

More and more people are joining in and quite frankly it's gone from cosy little shag to full on gang bang with some of the new comers being a bit demanding.

And now Turkey wanting to have a go and we all now what they're into.

Hope you find the happiness you deserve Holland.

We'll always have Rome.

Yours'
United Kingdom.

p.s You can have Scotland every other weekend but promise not to just take them to mc donalds.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Brilliant!

(I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Churs!

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post very good
bravo chap
 (justin(e), Thu 16 Jun 2016, 17:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Rather!

(I helped save b3ta! After you my dear Alfonse No. After you., Thu 16 Jun 2016, 18:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post In case you've forgotten
The EEC was a good thing. It's grown in to the EU, which isn't.
The EU is run solely for the benefit of politicians.

We had a referendum over here a few weeks ago re. an EU treaty. It was soundly thrashed. The political reaction so far has been 'sod the electorate, we go ahead anyway'.

You have a chance to change that. Unlike any of the other poor sods trapped in the EU, you actually get to have a say in this. As it was 76 years ago, we Dutch once again look to the west in the hope of liberation. The UK leaving would open the floodgates and end this political powerfest.

Forget the bs about the economy or migration, nobody knows exactly how that's going to pan out, and anyone whos says they do, lies. This is about sovereignty. Nothing more, nothing less.
Take the power back.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post take the power back... and give it to another set of politicians.
Great argument that one
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post At least they are OUR politicians
...Oh.
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post As set of politicians that you can actually elect or send home every five years.
Massive difference, that.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Our whole second chamber is entirely unelected
There is no mechanism to send them home, even if they're corrupt, even if they're so mad they cant do their job anymore
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post how does having another level of bureaucracy on top of that help?

(I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 17 Jun 2016, 13:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post With a manifesto that makes it clear what new laws will be proposed

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 13:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post The set of politicians that actually care about being re-elected by the UK populace?
The ones that got the largest amount of votes in local elections?

The ones that attend surgery's and have to meet with the voters to discuss issues?

Those politicians that are within egg throwing range?

Too bloody right.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post you dont think your Euro MPs care about being reelected?
They certainly got the largest amount of votes, and in a much fairer, more proportional voting system
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah... shame they don't have any actual power.
Seeing how EU law is made by the commission. The EU parliament is a pointless and rather expensive sharade.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tusk knows where you live, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 13:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hey, don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

(I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 16:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't get too excited
If 30% turn-out with 60% voting against the trade agreement means a sound thrashing that means Cameron soundly thrashed Labour last year. Oh, wait....
 (Bosch balls, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 20:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Many years ago, on a family holiday,
we met an old Dutch chap in Arnhem. When he discovered we were Brits he got all excited and thanked us a great deal for our country's wartime efforts.

Yeah, the Dutch are cool. Even if they do eat salted liquorice.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tribs πŸ¦‡ ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉΙ₯Κ‡ ↓πŸ¦‡, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 13:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post salted liquorice is lully!

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I cannot believe this is true

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a link post Fuck Fish Let's Dance!
Polished Glass Cock
(PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 21:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post i admire his enthusiasm

(I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 0:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Reminds me of
most long nights at Burning Man, but the bass thump would be louder.

Earplugs don't help, by the way.
 (I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well it's not quite badger badger badger

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post my brother
listens to that kind of techno, usually after vast quantities of acid. It scares me.
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Get your genre right grandad
It be Gabber

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkxGs4ETeg4
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:58, , Reply)
This is a link post My mates done a video for a hippy hoppy track. S'nice.

(I helped save b3ta! quackpipe swings like a pendulum do, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Quite like that.
Very soothing :)
 (I helped save b3ta! sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:51, , Reply)
This is a link post Diet Coke remastered NSFW I made this!
Me and my mates got drunk thought id be a good idea to remake an advert
(Albatrossoflove, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post haha nice one
although you are a bit of a spamcunt...
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post ?

(I helped save b3ta! Flash_Bastard, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 1:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post First post
his content. No communication with other members. i.e. a spamcunt, is that clear for you?
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Not intended as spam I've Viewing this website for years but I've never had anything to put on here unfortunately my mate who done the editing and he put the thing on the end. I didn't think it was that bad
 (Albatrossoflove, Sun 19 Jun 2016, 20:22, , Reply)
This is a link post Self learning robot escapes!


(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post is that a cat inside the robot?

(I helped save b3ta! fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Frikkin' cats!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYuYPViw_c
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:46, , Reply)
This is a link post If you intend to claim damages for back injuries
avoid posting videos of your energetic performances
 (I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I dropped my bike once
It came to rest with the front tyre just nudging the fog lamp on the back of the car in front. No damage, the lamp was on a gimble and it got rotated by a few degrees. Being polite and a nice biker I nonetheless swapped details with the car just in case. Turns out the occupant was an insurance broker and the next day I got the call from her claiming to be in dreadful pain after MY crash. She took one look at my insurance, where my job was listed as a physiotherapist. Needless to say I never heard from that one again. I have no patience for this kind of shit.
 (I helped save b3ta! Blind Meach Cautiously optimistic, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post These pricks should be fed to the courts, it's attempted fraud after all

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post Social media birthday snap sees aspiring dancer's €60k damages claim dismissed
Sort of said it all
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 0:42, , Reply)
This is a link post Worcester, UK, City Tourist Guide I made this!
I created a load of shit holiday banners (using real slogans from Western Union) and then wrote an accompanying tourist guide for Worcester. I've posted it on Facebook - the guide is in the page description. I've even managed to get the local MP to RT a link to the page and contribute a few nice words.

Extract:
HOME to the sauce, the porcelain, an 'urbanite' peregrine falcon family and some interesting history. More interesting than you think. In fact, several experts from Bargain Hunt have been known to visit the city regularly in appreciation of its fine antiques and historical tales.
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post You need a section for werewolf sightings
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/terrified-couple-draw-picture-of-werewolf-of-worcester-after-cla/
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes
and UFO sightings courtesy of the widespread availability of magic mushrooms in the local countryside
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post the followup that Warren Xevon never got round to making.
for shame.
 (FartThroughAWalkieTalkie wished you were dead in ditch on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post one day
that seed you have planted will grow into a glorious musical beanstalk
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 0:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post *magic bean

(I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post i went to Worcester once
There was a bear mascot outside some shop maybe TKMAXX doing balloon animals for kids. Says it all about the town imho
Edit: to the sound of banging House music from an oversized p.a.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post that just sounds typical. the bizarre corporate goings on... think has to be to lull the residents out of their inertia
I've added a bit of history now. The tale of the fox.

LET us not forget that Worcester is also the spiritual home of fox hunting, a once well-loved sport and rich source of entertainment for locals, now sadly out of fashion because of unfair and unjust de-legalisation.
...(story about demonic fox)...
NOW considered one of the city's most revered historic figures, Andrew became a saint in 1450. In remembrance to his heroic deeds, and for his invention of the dead pig initiation ceremony (later popularised by Prime Minister David Cameron) he has a Royal Prince, a medieval spire and a branch of Worcester Technology College named after him.
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually, isn't Leicester the spiritual home of fox hunting?
I heard it on R4 so it must be true.
My granny lived in Worcester and sang in the choir at the cathedral. And my uncle was a noted caner who once played bass for Sly Stone when the band got busted. At least that's what he claimed.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Very, very interesting
That would also explain why LCFC are nicknamed the foxes.
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 0:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post changed to
'a Royal Advocate of fox hunting'
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Worcester
Is actually a very nice place. But the people who live there keep quiet about it because they don't want everyone else to know about it.
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post shit
rumbled. i actually only made the guide as a deterrent for commuters and property investors.
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 0:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I prefer it to Cheltenham
if you are looking to pull a quote.
 (I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post i already made a guide for cheltenham
here it is in full:

"chelt en ham"

I was actually looking to pull a tooth. looks like i got lucky. hello
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 0:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Needs more links to
the sauce factory.

There is one, right?
 (I helped save b3ta! tubaman, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 5:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post yes
although until today I had no idea where it was located.
 (I helped save b3ta! bearhunt is drinking tea with wreckless abandon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:02, , Reply)
This is a link post Raspberry pi supercomuter.

(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post I so want to do this
My collection of pi's is growing- and I'm tempted to do something similar.
 (I helped save b3ta! Blind Meach Cautiously optimistic, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post University of Southampton built one a while back
and built the case out of Lego for extra nerd points.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C44quUX-AoE
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post I saw that one-
Rather cool and inspired my lad to make a Lego case for his pi as well! His is a bit more potter/space/gollumy though:)
 (I helped save b3ta! Blind Meach Cautiously optimistic, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Utterly pointless
People keep making excuses to build them though.
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree
It's hardly something you can make use of easily. Might as well learn GPU parallel programming and get over a 1000 cores of processing power without needing a really shit database system like MongoDB.
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post In the past supercomputers were really super,
not just pc parts thrown together randomly lol.
 (I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Fri 17 Jun 2016, 16:24, , Reply)
This is a link post OK, it's Toby Young and it's 14 minutes long, so most of you won't be interested,
but I found it a fascinating history of our relationship with Europe since 1975, and how the goalposts have constantly been moved.
(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post saw someone complaining about this, haven't read or watched either
zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/toby-youngs-video-nasty.html
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well I'll take his word for Young getting a date wrong,
but his other arguments, especially the statistical conjuring that said we get our way 99.9% of the time, I found unconvincing, to say the least.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post What's your plan after we leave, then?

(BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Autonomy.
And please don't tell me that no one in the EU will want our goods and services any longer. It simply ain't true. All the remainers said no one would trade with us if we didn't join the Euro. That was a lie, and the Euro is a currency that remains in a highly precarious state, it only survives thanks to the altruistic generosity of Germany.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's not that nobody would trade with us
It's the complexity and potential fallout from trying to renegotiate a trade deal outside of the single market. You all seem to be totally ignorant of that, or at least seem to dilute those ramifications.

And this whole 'sovereignty' and 'democracy' argument. Surely you aren't naive enough to believe real democracy exists or has ever existed? And that this desire for it is pure political sugar coating. There's a very good reason as to why true democracy doesn't exist - because most people out there are complete fuckwits who haven't got a clue about the complexities involved in taking executive decisions. That's why we have an electorate and, gulp, a political class.

If you really asked the public what they wanted, chances are we'd see the death penalty reinstated in some way, ignoring the clear evidence that it would serve to increase crime rather than provide an ultimate deterrent. Because it 'feels' right. It's only the elite, political class that realise most of us fuckwits can't be trusted to decide these things for ourselves. For better or worse, politicians are the head to our, often blind, hearts.

Your leading Brexit lot are well aware of this. They don't want real democracy. They aren't really interested in sovereignty. They simply want the 'democratic' power to shrink the state in fitting with their own ideological views. That's all it's about.

You're a complete mug if you don't see it any other way.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post The scales have fallen from my eyes!
Thanks JOTS.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're welcome
Please don't post any more Toby Young
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post I realise he's not to everyone's taste, hence the description.
I like him. Which is lucky for him, as I know exactly where he lives.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post The only person who likes Toby Young is Toby Young.
Does he live in your mirror?
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post the assumption here is that the interests of the UK dont align with the interests of the rest of Europe.
It's parochialism dressed up as self-determination
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post The idea that 28 countries have all the same economic and social interests
is simply absurd.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Why?
Isn't the whole point of the EU that we're all generally on the same page regarding social and economic development?
 (I helped save b3ta! Happosai _,,,,_(O ; o)_,,,, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Economically you have got to be kidding.
Eastern Europe and Southern Europe on the same page in terms of economic development? Poland, Romania and Bulgaria? Are you aware of what a catastrophe it was for Greece to join the Euro? They have bankrupted themselves for generations after bingeing on the cheap credit Euro membership allowed them. Portugal, Spain and Italy are not in a good way either.

Socially? Well, a little more subjective I guess, but take one example: abortion. It's illegal in several EU countries. I'm not pro abortion, but it should definitely be legal IMO. But if the Irish and the Poles want to keep it illegal, that's up to them, I have no desire to boss around a foreign nation on the subject.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Your example of abortion falls down a little when you take into account that it's still illegal in one of the countries in the UK.
 (I helped save b3ta! VicJameson : fucking internet virgins since, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not really.
If the Northern Irish want to keep it illegal, bully for them too. They can have independence for all I care.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post there are rich and poor regions of the UK, it's no reason why they shouldnt be in political union
As for social policy, it's been moving in a progressive direction Europe-wide for several generations, thanks largely to institutions like the EU. Poland and Ireland are much more likely to be changing their rules on abortion than we are
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Please don't lump together Poland with Romania and Bulgaria lol
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Poland#/media/File:Minwages_poland_former_communist.png
 (I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 21:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is only absurd if you have an inflated opinion of yourself

(I helped save b3ta! keybo was imtypingonakeyboard, now I'm not, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post why?
Generally Europeans tend to be rich, educated, liberal. Certainly compared to people from other continents. I'm struggling to think of an argument against cooperation
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes mate. We are all the same. Same opinions, same income, all the same.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do you think that's what makes successful political entity?
Everyone with the same opinions and income? Good luck finding one of those on this continent or anywhere else
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Germany has recently had an influx of over a million rich, educated and liberal people in less than a year.
I love the EU.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post What are you saying, that the EU forced the Syrians on Germany and that could happen to us too?
That's not really how I remember it.
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post No.
Germany, or rather Merkel, opened her borders. By opening her borders to the world, or more specifically Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, she opened the EU borders too, as all those taken in will get German passports. I'm not suggesting that we should ignore the refugee crisis, to do so would be inhumane. But to encourage a free for all is insane. It's not about racism, it's about the capacity of social housing, schooling, health care and the welfare state. I saw a guy being interviewed in Lesbos. He spoke perfect English. He'd come with his wife and kids. Unbelievably he'd come from Pakistan. A nuclear power. What had been his job there? Senior air traffic controller at Karachi airport. When asked why he took so much risk rather than come legally, he said that this was the only guaranteed way to get social housing.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 20:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^forrins!

(benito vaselini no not that one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 20:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post amazing
this is the level of debate, you Leave idiots love a good example, well here's one: I live in Derbyshire, at all the toddler groups there are little white families where the women have fired out 6 kids each, not a brown face in sight, and you walk around town and yep not a brown face there either - no foreign accents to be found anywhere. Ask them whose fault it is that they can't get their kids into school? Whose fault is it that they can't get an appointment at the GP? The forrins is the answer. Ignorant thick cunts reading the ignorant thick right wing press. If the population is growing in an area you can bet it's the poor white working class: that's the driver - it's called natural increase. Of course austerity has nothing to do with why public services are fucked... yeah it's the immigrants.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Carpet bomb the lot of them, I say.

(I helped save b3ta! drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 9:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Maybe, just maybe Derbyshire is just a bit crap?
Would explain why people don't want to settle there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 11:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Is the camera connected to his head movements in some way?
maybe it's a selfie stick
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think it was shot by an old school hack who'd enjoyed a good lunch.
I'm looking at you, Jeremy Clarke.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Didn't watch it all, but,
the first 5 minutes he goes on to explain that instead of UK being able to Veto EU laws as was promised when we joined, that has been worn away and we have very little chance of stopping EU laws from effecting us. Also explains that the EU has managed to stop/remove some laws that the UK created for itself.

What he doesn't mention (up until I'd had enough anyway) was, while this may be correct information, maybe those EU laws have made life better in Britain, maybe those UK laws that got removed by the EU were shit and we are better off without them.

A lot of people are going on about how we are at the mercy of EU rules and laws. What they fail to mention is that maybe some of those laws and rules are good for us (and may some not), but the Brexit proclaimers always spout about how they make the laws and never mention that some of them help us.

What others mention is that the people in the EU creating these rules are not elected by us. Well, that's probably just as well, look at the ones we did vote in and how they are screwing us, maybe we need some outside help.

FYI - I'm as yet undecided, and while this post may sound like I'm voting in, I'm just balancing the crap from the "Facts" video.
 (mcvpjd3 Has no Board Sig yet, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm pretty happy having the combined wit of 28 countries
overruling fuckwits like Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Our own executive powers are pretty useless. The Queen just says "whatever" to most stuff and the Lords are mostly asleep
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post I find this angle of attack
deeply sad and perplexing. You are effectively saying 'I don't like the way my fellow countrymen vote, so let's invite a bunch of managers who do not have our best interest at heart to run us instead'.
I'm a remainer for geopolitical reasons but this argument drives me insane with anger.We can clean our own fucking beaches without stuffing Francois the small farmer's pockets with euros or letting some Luxembourger decide who fishes in our waters.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post No I am saying I think an effective executive body is a good thing
that most other countries have. We do not. The EU fills the vacuum quite well.
You can pick and choose what the EU has done well and badly if you like but I'd rather have the extra sanity check than not. And by the way, define "our" best interests - the outers seem to be deciding what's in my best interest all to readily. I like cod, I'm glad restrictions on fishing mean its not been exterminated. I like clean beaches I like workers rights etc etc
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Why?
I don't trust most of my fellow countrymen to make executive, important economic decisions that could effect our future relationship with essential trading partners. Surely that's common sense.

I do not think the average van driver should have an opinion on such matters. He should be able to elect somebody who does, of course, but he should not have a direct say himself.

We need executive bodies to make informed, educated decisions not swayed by populism.

Unless you want to use idiots' votes to further your own political agenda.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post "We need executive bodies to make informed, educated decisions not swayed by populism."
VIVA EL PRESIDENTE!!

Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others, said some fatty.

I take it you're happy for this van driver to pay taxes?
 (CADmonkey rollllllllled another one, just like the other one, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think you'll find
Churchill represented the same definition of 'democracy' that currently exists - whereby we elect members of parliament to make crucial decisions for us. Sometimes against populist opinion, for the greater good. That's how it should be.

The EU referendum, by comparison, is ludicrous.

Dawkins got it right here: www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/eu-referendum-richard-dawkins-brexit-23rd-june-ignoramuses
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's because
You're an elitist fascist cunt. You despise your fellow man and think if only right-minded bien pensants like yourself ran everything the world would be just great. Which is despicable and disgusting.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 20:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post
By all means place the future of your country's trade and geopolitical presence in the hands of those who don't have a fucking clue about what they're talking about. But I'm with the form of 'democracy' that currently exists. The one where the average turd thankfully doesn't have much of a say.

Cunt.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 21:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're a sick puppy
I'd hate to live inside your head, hating your fellow man so much that you think they don't deserve a say. Perhaps you'd be happier back in the days when only the elite had a vote. You are not arguing about policies. You are arguing that democracy is bad because it doesn't always produce the result that is 'right'.

My god. Someone please pull this guy to one side.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post You don't seem to understand how modern democracy works
We elect people to make educated decisions for us. We elect them on policy. We vote them out if they're shite.

There's a reason for why that is. Because, yes, most 'fellow men' simply aren't qualified to make these decisions. Unitiated in the finer workings of international trade relationships, they might well not have the country's best interests in mind. His inexperienced leanings toward populist policy might well be very damaging for the country.

Do I hate my fellow man? No. But do I trust my fellow man with absolutely no experience of global economics to make a decision that's best for the country? No. Of course not. I trust those with experience. And I would imagine most other sensible folk would reveal a wish for the the same, sensible approach to democracy.

It's the only check there is against dangerous populism. The fact that 'democracy' isn't actually as democratic as it perhaps could be. And rightly so.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post .
What doesn't add up to me with the increased democracy argument is that if we want to export to european countries then we'll still have to obey an awful lot of their laws. If we set our own standards (and most of EU laws are about trading standards), that would just make things far harder to export and import, so it would be ridiculous not to just copy the EU on them.

At the moment, we send MEPs to debate for us. If we send Nigel Farage and he doesn't attend any meetings, then we have the power to elect someone else. As such, we have some say in how things are run.

If we leave, we'll have absolutely no say in what those laws are. That seems like a loss of power to me, not increased democracy.

Outside immigration, people who aren't cunts making the soveriegnty argument don't seem to be giving many examples of laws that they want changing. Even then, I suspect only a minority know what the options are on immigration within or outside the EU (and that's not a "the plebs don't know" comment - I don't know myself).

UKIP have been clear that they want to scrap things like maternity pay, sick pay and holiday pay - and so it at least does make sense that you'd need to get out of the EU if you want that kind of thing.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think you misunderstood my use of "executive"
here I meant a functioning "upper house" or some-such. But I'm with you otherwise :)
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post
There are lots of areas where covering as wide an area as possible is important - thinking particularly environmental rules and standards in production.

The majority of EU directives seem to be about that sort of thing.

They are incredibly boring, which presumably is why the remain campaign aren't talking about toy safety and the leave campaign aren't talking about the cookie law.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Indeed!
I'd prefer to have something in place to temper the current UK Government (who I certainly didn't vote in) who seem to be happy to shit on things like the privacy and human rights of its citizens.
 (I helped save b3ta! Happosai _,,,,_(O ; o)_,,,, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post We already have a bunch of unelected bods to do that.
It's called the House of Lords.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 12:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ah the dreadful Toby Young
I shall save myself a full 14 minutes and have this delicious apple instead.
 (I helped save b3ta! thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Jason Statham has let himself go.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Can't be arsed.
He's a fucking moron.
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post What a pile of poorly researched bollocks that was
Typical nonsensical fantastical hyperbole from, not to put too fine a point to it, a total cunt.
 (I helped save b3ta! slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Thu 16 Jun 2016, 8:46, , Reply)
This is a link post tell me more NSFW
saw it on reddit, don't judge me, i only go there for the occasional lol
(DefyingDarwin Old, untalented and white,, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh well oh well oh well oh

(macroscian (1 like), Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post hehe!

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha ha
I never go on Reddit, so thanks for weeding that out
 (I helped save b3ta! fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:21, , Reply)
This is a link post New hipster trend of face-smashing your birthday cake proves unwise
On a lighter note, it's likely the most wood she's got in months.
(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post She just needed a little help.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post Lucky she didn't give herself a transorbital lobotomy
www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f0_1404078269
 (hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well that was grim

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post great name for a band

(I helped save b3ta! omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post is that a candle?
or some kind of spike hanging out of the cake to hold it together?

Edit: See her eye after in the pic on this page, pretty sure that was a spike.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzWjzkOaLCbExALX3rqjWDg
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Thu 16 Jun 2016, 10:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post This is a hipster trend?
Because I kid you not, in Bolivia it's traditional!

laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=346198&CategoryId=14919
 (Rampant_Hedgehog He's horny and prickly!, Fri 17 Jun 2016, 12:27, , Reply)
This is a link post Scratch 'n sniff, German style.
Glasscock said nein.
(I helped save b3ta! Mastarbeiter came into your mind on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post jees
thank god there's not a camera on me 24/7
 (dirk speedrift Sit doon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post You are autobumsnifferotik?

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hi Truman!

(I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:16, , Reply)
This is a link post EU Referendum article I wrote I made this!
Pointing out how both sides are as shit as each other.
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post Second paragraph, equating concerns over levels of immigration with racism.
I need read no further. Grow up.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually
It's reflecting that many people do see the issue in such a way (I've since added in a clarification that I disagree to make it clearer to those who may misinterpret it, though, so thanks!)

You may also have missed the red text that comes up when you click "reply".

I also wonder whether I should make it clear that I'm not British? Damned foreigners, coming over here, writing things...

Also, B3ta isn't exactly the place for an intricate political debate (which the article isn't and I know it isn't), it's a place for knob gags and fun, so we can all calm down and have a cuppa.
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Reflecting?
Buy a dictionary.
And if b3ta isn't a place for 'intricate' (it's not necessarily wrong, but it is a poor choice of adjective) political debate, why did you post your adolescent musings on a political issue here?
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nothing wrong with the use of the word reflecting.
Any your opinion is your opinion and well done for having it. However, making a sweeping generalisation (such as calling something "adolescent musings") without any facts is exactly an example of what both campaigns are currently doing. Make your own mind up, but it's probably a good thing to do some research and not blindly form instant opinions. Nowhere in the article is there a direct urge for a vote either way.

And b3ta isn't the place for it - the internet is never the place for intelligent debate because of how people react without thinking, or reading red text that appears above text entry boxes on the reply page.

Either way, thanks for the feedback!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post You are in desperate need of a sub editor.
Your discourse is cumbersome and laboured. You may get things technically correct, but stylistically it's not good, it doesn't ring true or sound natural. My rates are reasonable.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Considering you know little of the many and varied uses of "reflect"
I think you may be overcharging if your services don't involve giving money to your clients, too.

Appreciations as always for the excellent and amusing feedback!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Appreciations?
QED
Using the present participle of reflect in that context is plain weird.
You could say 'It reflects...'
Or maybe 'It is a reflection of...'
But 'it's reflecting that...' is plain weird.
Top tip: the McDonald's advert says 'I'm lovin' it'. No one says this in real life. 'I love it' is what people say.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh my goodness!
SOMEONE MADE A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR ON AN INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD!

PHONE THE POLICE!

PHONE THE HOUSEHOLD CAVALRY!

PHONE DAVID CAMERON AND JEREMY CORBYN!

WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN!

IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!

OH MY GODS!

HELP! SERIOUSLY THIS IS WORSE THAN A SHARK ATTACK WHILST BEING GANG-RAPED BY DOLPHINS AND HAVING A BLISTER ON YOUR LITTLE FINGER AT THE SAME TIME!

Or, have a good day, sit down, calm down and, as always, thanks for commenting!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Where does one sign up for the dolphin thingie? I'm asking for a friend.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 19:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post There's a special waiting list.
And it's invite only, sorry.
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually
B3ta sees some surprisingly nuanced political debates - some of which are completely devoid of phallic jokes and fish puns.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, you fuck off!

(I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, YOU fuck off!

(I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post You fucking pair of virgins




oxymoron
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Your mum
has an intricate a fishy minge
 (I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post That is true, that is very true
But people seem to be taking a very angry stance about a piece of fluff writing I did for free, which is strange. Internet debates so often go downhill when people vent their anger. Mind you, I'm getting a lot of interesting feedback and quite a few giggles, which is why I love b3ta.

I really wish I cod think of a fish pun, though...
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm voting based on my limiting understanding of economics.
Your sweeping statement that the issue is solely based on racism, and the majority of those voting out are racists, is a patronising load of shit. You may have written about broader issues later, but TL:DR. The first few paragraphs appear woefully ill-informed, and as you acknowledge very biased.

You write "There is nothing so dangerous as an ill-informed voter" - well it looks like "From a place of ignorance" is an apposite title for your tawdry rag.

Go back to lurking.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post Harsh
Also: Fair.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^^
Both the above
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Indeed
Better said than mine.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post I read the whole thing. You really didn't miss anything. Ill informed sweeping generalisations, and a massive over-simplification of the history of Europe.
I'm voting IN, but it makes me ashamed to be on the same side as sucha cock as this bloke.
 (I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're sweet to say so.
I'm genuinely pleased that you think that to say I gave a "massive over-simplification of the history of Europe" is a criticism, considering the lead in to that section is: "With the clarification that this is massively simplified". Thanks for reading!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well...
It's reflecting that many people do see the issue in such a way (I've since added in a clarification that I disagree to make it clearer to those who may misinterpret it, though, so thanks!)

You may also have missed the red text that comes up when you click "reply".

I also wonder whether I should make it clear that I'm not British? Damned foreigners, coming over here, writing things...

Also, B3ta isn't exactly the place for an intricate political debate (which the article isn't and I know it isn't), it's a place for knob gags and fun, so we can all calm down and have a cuppa.
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Reflecting?
Buy a dictionary.
And if b3ta isn't a place for 'intricate' (it's not necessarily wrong, but it is a poor choice of adjective) political debate, why did you post your adolescent musings on a political issue here?
 (I helped save b3ta! H.B.Mupps, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do you really have a mind of your own?
Because this is a copy paste of a cooment made by someone else and I've addressed it. Calm down, and thanks for "your" contribution!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know right?
What kind of cunt would copy and paste the same reply twice in a single thread?
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post I would say, rather gently:
That posting your own comment again from your own account in answer to the same issues is fine, but if it comes from a different account it's a different issue (would you like it if somebody copied your painting and passed it off as their own?).

Anyhow, I'm sure you've got to be angry elsewhere too, so thanks for commenting!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post No. It's not fine.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post We'll agree to differ, sweet-cheeks!

(ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post So, my comment doesn't even warrant an individual reply? You just cut and paste your response to Prufrock?
You lazy bastard.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yep.
Lazy all the way, just like my article, eh?
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post I could tell that just from reading your article.
Edit: (why not edit your response above, eh? Make it look like your idea? Twat)
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Zing!

(ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not only are you a lazy cunt 'n' paste slob
You even went back and edited your previous response to make it look like it was a self-depreciating joke.

You are fucking useless. Fuck off.
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Get To Fuck.
It's lazy thinking like that which has lost labour so many voters over the years.

BTW this was about the second paragraph. The rest of your writing may be fried gold but couldn't read any more.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually it's rabid labour supporters, a 70s throwback marxist leader and awful policies
that have lost so many Labour supporters over the years.

It's now just a party of extremist nutters and unemployed northerners.

Abandon the middle ground and you lose the electorate.
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post marxist leader? I wish
Nah he's just a broken meat puppet now who's well out of his depth.

Just wish Tony Benn was still around to rally the eurosceptic left rather than have a couple of Torys do it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Agreed, also Labour is in serious deep shit if the vote goes to remain
I predict whats left of their core working class vote will abandon them leaving them with the middle class left which won't be anywhere near enough to win anything.
 (I helped save b3ta! Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 22:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I don't vote labour
So I'm not that fussed. I've reclarified that paragraph to make it clear that that isn't my view, but I have done my research and there's a lot of right-wing facebookers and twitterers and so on who view it that way. Thanks for the feedback, and I'm sorry that Corbyn isn't king yet!

Also, "If you don't like it, don't say anything" is written in red above the reply box. The article is pointing out how both sides are making sweeping remarks, such as "Get to fuck". Thanks for the feedback though, it's been helpful!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post Load of bollocks
You are the disease that has fucked over the left in this country, seeing racism everywhere, abusing the word. So I read no further
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 12:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you say so.

(ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Here are some legitimate concerns about immigration that have nothing to do with racism for your next article/school report
1) Immigration benefits GDP and growth, but this has shown little sign of trickling down to everyone. Beneficiaries include big business who do very well from a bottomless supply of cheap labour. You only need a modicum of knowledge about economics to see how this probably causes wage suppression for low skilled workers.
2) We are building about 150k homes a year. Net migration is at 300k+. People born in britain are struggling with excessive house prices and rents. We are in danger of pricing our kids and grand kids out of owning their own home and the average age of first time buyers is rising constantly. Is it worth sacrificing our green belts for housing for the sake of perpetual economic growth? Or should we sleep 10 people to a 2-up, 2-down like our great grandparents did?
3) You need to earn above 27k to be a net contributor to the UK economy. We definitely need immigration for areas where we have skills shortages but we shouldn't be importing low skilled workers unless those roles can't be filled locally.

I'm still making up my mind about how I am going to vote, but people like you are only pushing people further to the right by screaming from the extreme left. Put a sock in it.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you're wavering, have a word with your in-laws, they sound like very clever people to me.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll canvas their opinion after tiffins on Saturday.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post I want tiffins.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tiffins will be bengali prawn curry, a chickpea curry, home made chapatis and some gujarati vegetarian bean thing that no one knows the name of but tastes amazing
Tiffins \o/
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hmm, I've never been sure about prawns in curry, but I'm still in.
Gaz me the address.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, I don't share. Or play well with others.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have you been reading my primary school reports?

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post No, I'm going to wait for the film to come out :)

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've cast Warwick Davies in the lead, and Noel Edmonds is making his directorial debut.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, it sounds intriguing but not very diverse.
You should make Warwick do black face.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Whoppi Goldberg is on the verge of signing up to play my mum.
She's black AND Jewish! In your face Harriet Harman!
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you are still wavering, consider these reasons:
Democracy: European ministers have less of a democratic mandate, and the UKs influence is small. There are many unelected bodies that have influence, and cost us a lot of money.
Laws: We surrender final arbitration to the European court, we always obey their decision, but we don't actually have to in the present structure. Most 'human rights nonsense' usually has a sound basis when you drill down through the Daily Heil bullshit, and a lot of it is interpretation of International conventions that would still be in place if we left.
Refugees: No change in or out; there would still be Syrians dying in the Med, and we would still take some.
Illegal immigrants on lorries, boats, smuggled etc. No change in or out.
European migrants: come to work here (very little evidence they come to scrounge benefits). Put up with multi-room occupancy and minimum wage. Usually send a lot home to Eastern Europe. This is the main 'problem'. Although they contribute to society, because a shit life here is a relatively good life for many of them, they drive down wages and drive up accommodation costs. The earnings do not therefore trickle down, but get exported to 'home'. Secondary effect of making multinationals and petit bourgeois rich off cheap labour.
UK migrant workers: Many UK passport holders live in Spain and claim UK pensions, benefits, travel back to use NHS etc. Because they don't contribute to tax here, they are a net burden that some studies put as high as double that of migrant workers (who, don't forget, are legal and pay tax; no change on illegals in or out)
The economy: we do a lot of trade with Europe. If we left, it is very likely the pound would fall. So what? our imports would get more expensive, but our exports would make more money for the UK economy. Unfortunately a lot of the UK economy is the financial services sector, which would have difficulties.
UK labour force. We are very well protected by European laws. The 'out' camp suggests the workforce would be more 'flexible' if we left, but all this means is diluting labour laws in the UK, increased use of zero hours contracts and the UK being able to do away with many of the European standards that have helped workers for years.
The rich: They have managed to divert the view from their tax affairs to petty minded xenophobia. We are all worried how to vote now rather than realising that the super rich will continue to avoid tax. They are based in predominantly BRITISH tax havens, and the tories are up to their necks in supporting them. If we leave, they will have even less regulation, and make it easier to throw up shell companies in European countries using them to trade back to us to pay even less tax.

All these arguments though are effectively selfish. What is best for mankind/ humanity may not be best for my wallet on a personal level. Overall, I think on this island we overlook just how integrated the mainland has become, for the betterment of many. I think the things we need to focus on for the future (climate change, fusion power, the rights of man) are easier to achieve as a united states of Europe, rather than standing on the sidelines wishing it was 1952 and we were all playing cricket on the village green.

Sorry for length, I wrote this as much to make my views clear in my own mind than any other reason!

TL;DR I'm in.
 (I helped save b3ta! da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Some interesting points... but one you mention there about labour laws really irks me with the remain campaign
They always claim without the EU we wouldn't have holiday pay, workers rights... blah blah. Now I can see the point with some of it, so that there isn't a race to the bottom with countries trying to make their labour the cheapest... but there is absolutely nothing that stops any party putting this stuff on a manifesto and then enacting it if elected.

If the concern is that we wouldn't get these protections without the EU, are they implying the public is too thick to vote for what's good for it, or the EU are enforcing policies that the UK electorate would never vote for and is therefore undemocractic?
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post "are they implying the public is too thick to vote for what's good for it"
Don't have to imply it, the evidence sits in Parliament right now.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 18:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Christ
Someone on B3ta has actually taken the time to think about the Referendum.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post RACIST!!!11!!1
*points*
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post so...
1) increase the minimum wage.

2) average household occupancy is about 2.3 (2011 census), so the shortfall isn't as big as you imply. Also if Brits would get out of that mind set that you have to make a huge profit every time you sell a house, then that would certainly help prices. But who's brave enough to do that?

3) increase the minimum wage.

Something to think about (and you can apply this to EU, or even to US-Mexico): rather than spend energy trying to stop people coming into your country, why not work to *improve* the standard of living in that country?
It'd be to everyone's benefit: people will be less inclined to move to the richer country, and it'll stop people complaining that the forrins are coming to take "our" jobs.
Sure, it's a long-term project with very little return at first, but isn't it worth it?
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think house prices are more determined by supply and demand and buy to lets.
I certainly agree that minimum wage needs to be increased to a decent living wage.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post regarding point 2
in addition, another problem is unwillingness/inability of old folks to downsize. This is not something that could or should ever be enforced but there could be some incentive for them to sell their 3 bed semi to a family - for example. But then we'd have to have some sort of society, altruism and community awareness - these human properties appear to all be in decline.

Anyway it'd be easier to coax the old cunts to move if the care system wasn't a total nightmare and the availability of wardened accomodation was higher. Maybe sorting that stuff out would free up a few houses.
 (theswollenbeef where there's a will there's a wank, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm a bit busy
can someone summarize this in a meme?
 (dirk speedrift Sit doon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Okay

(I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post thanks

(dirk speedrift Sit doon, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 15:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Woah!!!!!!!!
The okey cokey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 (I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sigh
"as far as many are concerned the 24th of June is exactly when we'll find out exactly how racist the country is, given that those voting to leave are, in a vast majority, declaring they wish to stem the tide of immigrants flowing into Britain."

If you think anyone who worries about immigration is automatically a racist, you're a bit thick. And if you're a bit thick, I don't really care what you think about a complex political situation which I'm not really sure I understand myself.
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've reclarified it,
As that isn't my view but it is the view of many, you only have to do a little research to discover that. Thanks for the feedback!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post If it were clear in the first place, it wouldn't need reclarification.

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 16:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's true.
I posted the article as a draft and it was made live by another member of FPI. Anyhow, I'm sure that the weight of your knowledge is a heavy burden to bear in a world filled with those who are beneath you (which from your attitude seems to be everyone with a different viewpoint).

Mind you, you could consider how angry you appear, I thought you'd like to know it's giving us a good laugh at FPI. Thanks, as always, for commenting!
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 17:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I am sitting here in America with my bible, guns and homophobia simply aghast at how racist you English types are.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 13:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post All the best rock music comes from England.
Except The Who, who are paedos.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post You really know how to hurt a guy.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm going to stick to writing about jRock
fuck this politics stuff. no patience for it/
 (I helped save b3ta! colmcq2, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Considering how both campaigns have handled the situation
I can't say I blame you.
 (ESPF couldn't be bothered before, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 14:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wanker.

(I helped save b3ta! Varmint, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 23:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post Fuck off hippy

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Thu 16 Jun 2016, 7:53, , Reply)
This is a link post Clement Freud
He was quite funny when he wasn't sexually abusing 10 year olds.

(GC from five years ago, fuckit.)
(I helped save b3ta! Mr Mann I love pigs, best of all the animals, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 10:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post
years weeks
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Did you witness him abusing them?
If not, how do you know he wasn't funny?
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Wed 15 Jun 2016, 11:38, , Reply)

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