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This is a link post End of an era
URL is all the discription you need

edit:

Leg end!- 'Samson lost his strength when his hair was chopped off - I hope this doesn't mean I've lost the ability to play my one chord.'
 (I helped save b3ta! Alabaster Codify wouldn't piss on yr gums if yr teeth were on fire, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:56, Reply)
This is a normal post first ILH
now this.
*sniffles*
 (PaulGadd -, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Link from The Sun posted earlier
www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article2309123.ece

You can win the actual hair! It is our duty as b3tards to enter the competition
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:06, Reply)
This is a normal post When you get to his age
you can do
whatever you want




/gets coat
 (I helped save b3ta! BadBadman saw an incorrect comma placement on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:53, Reply)
This is a link post Mother of all Chords !
*smiles
(I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha, excellent
Bernard Purdie, what a drummer :D
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:19, Reply)
This is a normal post that was really well put together
*clicks*, I wouldn't mind having those video editing skills for sure :)
 (I helped save b3ta! abstraction is somewhere out there..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:40, Reply)
This is a normal post The mother of all chords
Is the 'G major neutral zero'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZDjWLwqAPY
 (I helped save b3ta! Alzo wouldn't ride your mum into battle, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:49, Reply)
This is a normal post I've not watched the whole thing
so it may be a terribly clever mashup-of-a-mashup.. but isn't this the rather excellent thru-you project which was in the newsletter last friday?

If so - it's a stonking track, but I clicked it last time round ;-)
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:29, Reply)
This is a normal post "isn't this the rather excellent thru-you project which was in the newsletter last friday?"
Yes ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:35, Reply)
This is a normal post yes it is?
or yes it isn't?
 (I helped save b3ta! LP, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:44, Reply)
This is a normal post http://thru-you.com/
He's done a few mixes
 (I helped save b3ta! Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:35, Reply)
This is a link post When Star Wars and Interweb fluff collide.
I cans has force?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeccius Steam Borderlands 2 junkie, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Not bad... Think it would benefit from greater activity.
Although this one I like!

...and better let manic know they're using his stuff... www.icanhasforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/star-wars-pope-faith.jpg
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:14, Reply)
This is a normal post Nice.
This one is pretty good.
 (I helped save b3ta! M3rx likes the Asian ladies, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post although looking on Google I just found this


totally envious....
 (I helped save b3ta! Jeccius Steam Borderlands 2 junkie, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post I would so love to see that fly over my house
like totally.
 (I helped save b3ta! M3rx likes the Asian ladies, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Thats no Balloon ... (and so on)

(I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Heheh

(I helped save b3ta! LemonEntryMyDearWatson This time, Moriarty, the hand is on the other foot, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 21:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Just thinking about that, when the guy in the basket cranks up the power
it must sound a bit like Darth Vader breathing if you're seeing it all happen from the ground
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:33, Reply)
This is a normal post I've never been in a Hot Air Balloon
So I thought I'd see if you can hire this one. I would be as pleased as punch to have a go. But it's in the US. Damn.

www.darthvaderballoon.be/en/index.html
 (meat2veg hello!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:24, Reply)
This is a normal post I have only ever seen one Star Wars film.
I am quite proud of that fact
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Please turn in your b3ta insignia and t-shirt on your way out
Next you will be telling us you dont like Monty Python and have never seen Star Trek. SHEESH!!!
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:29, Reply)
This is a normal post *Sets phaser to stun*

(I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:36, Reply)
This is a normal post I've barely seen any Star Wars either...
But you can't beat some good ol' Next Generation!

~geeks out a bit doing a flying space dance~
 (I helped save b3ta! vix0r was not Matthew on, Wed 11 Mar 2009, 0:41, Reply)
This is a link post Out of Work? Need a Job?
Could this be the job, you're looking for?
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Bollocks!
If only I was in Brighton :(
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:49, Reply)
This is a normal post I live in Brighton!
I might send him my Goatse pic! could do with a bit of extra cash...
 (I helped save b3ta! McMookMac Crush Proof, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:39, Reply)
This is a normal post How did you find this?
just out of interest...
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:52, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this.

(I helped save b3ta! M3rx likes the Asian ladies, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:53, Reply)
This is a normal post He's the one adveritising

(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha - Some joker I know sent it to me
(but I do wonder what the pay is like! :-)
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I believe Fat Boy Slim might be looking for work after rehab..
He's in the Brighton area isn't he?
 (I helped save b3ta! ERG1008 is climbing in yo windows & snatchin yo people up, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:54, Reply)
This is a normal post just
the few hours then?
 (lincolnsmithvstheblackprince I'm up to my knees in lionel here, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:12, Reply)
This is a normal post do they want a male who will clean naked
or someone to clean a naked male?
 (I helped save b3ta! the wub - guide onion for the blind, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 20:39, Reply)
This is a link post Teenage Gypsy girls glam up for annual bride sale
not enough makeup in the world.....
 (I helped save b3ta! Crap Little Monkey Deathstar, so good they built it twice, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:59, Reply)
This is a normal post I dunno
a six-pack of Special Brew and I'd probably want to, despite probably not being able to do anything.

EDIT: Actually, on reflection, I think not.
 (I helped save b3ta! M3rx likes the Asian ladies, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:00, Reply)
This is a normal post christ!

(I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Perfect opportunity to use this
img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=papalazarou3pw.swf&width=1280

"Hello Dave?"
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Ooh the one with the gold tooth is a looker
The purple make up really brings out her eyes.

Its a bit like certain parts of Manchester really.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Chorlton?

(I helped save b3ta! Monty Propps, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Oi!
Chorlton is lovely.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:20, Reply)
This is a normal post It was before the economic migrants from the midlands moved in

(I helped save b3ta! Monty Propps, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:21, Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
hows things?
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Fine, just getting ready for my class
You poorly sick?
 (I helped save b3ta! Monty Propps, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:26, Reply)
This is a normal post I've got a cold :(
Must've been why I was wobbling a bit yesterday. I've got out of bed now though and am annoying the cats.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Much
Better than those stupid wheelies anyway.
 (Benzyl, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 20:54, Reply)
This is a normal post 2nd picture
Surely that's Terry Jones?
 (Caustic Armadillo consists at least 30% out of custard, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:12, Reply)
This is a normal post ^my first thoughts as well

(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:13, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this^

(I helped save b3ta! thiswasmyclone, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:28, Reply)
This is a normal post ^This
I was just coming back to write that. There is no way that is a woman. It just is Terry Jones
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Beat me to it

(I helped save b3ta! ERG1008 is climbing in yo windows & snatchin yo people up, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:49, Reply)
This is a normal post lots of fun

(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Mailin' it up
I'd like to see all the photos, not just the munters and make-up freaks (of which I'm sure there are many, spoiling much of the natural beauty), and also to see how much of a 'market' it is, and how much of a glorified dowry ceremony it is. etc. etc.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Im going when Im 40 if Im not married
Got 3 more years. Its either there or Thailand for a wife. Hmmmm, Ping Pong trick or endless supply of heather and clothes pegs?
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Men are supposed to pay 'lots' of money for these beauties?
Couple of sacks of potatoes maybe. I thought it was the other way round and the families pay you to marry their munter.

Tell you what, 2000 pissed up gypsies in a field, bet the towns nearby clear out pretty sharpish that weekend.
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:16, Reply)
This is a link post Varg Vikernes released at last
Yes, yes, it's all just noise and you can't hear the words, but I like Burzum and perhaps some others do. Happy days.

Link is Norwegian.
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Does it translate as
"revolting murdering nazi psychopath arsonist released from jail?"
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:40, Reply)
This is a normal post Pretty much.
It's about time he was, though. Besides, he's not NS, he's Odinist! Apparently, this is different. I am yet to work out how.
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Odinist
means you get to burn down thousand year old buildings and claim god(s) told you to do it.
 (tacpprm has a mmrpcat, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post *wiki's*
"Attitude and focus of adherents may vary considerably, from strictly historical polytheistic reconstructionism to syncretist (eclectic), pragmatic psychologist, occult or mysticist approaches"

Ah, that clears it up then.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post As far as I can tell
Odinism is just diet Paganism, with added dubious racial elements. I read Varg's book Vargsmal years ago, but since my German is atrocious I may have missed out on a lot of what he meant.

Anyway, the chap wrote Det Som en Gang Var, which is a massive tune. Hopefully he'll put out at least one more record.
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:04, Reply)
This is a normal post ahh yes
"Det Som en Gang Var, Tomorrow,
Bet ya unter dallar dat Tomorrow,
Vere'll be sun"
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:03, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
I'd like to see this done
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, polytheism and paganism.
I was at a wedding in Israel, and there was ululation; I commented how nice it is to still hear ululation nowadays*, what with an emerging global culture an' all. And someone (English, not Jew or Muslim or anything related with that end of the world) said, "Well I heard ululation at a friend's wedding, and they're pagan, and that's proper old".

AAAARGH! It's neo-pagan, NEO, THE CLUE IS IN THE NEO. Paganism is dead all except for crazy islands where they burn people in straw figures to appease the gods (may not have been an actual documentary); they're attempting to recreate something and often innacurately.

*As for the asterisk, Israeli Jewish weddings go as such (at least the ones I came across):
-Everyone assembles;
-Man lifts veil of bride to check it's her (this always got me, in ancient times they wore veils, much like in the Middle East now, and yet in Jewish tradition you lift the veil in order to check you've not been tricked into marrying the wrong person [seriously], yet surely that means you know what they looked like anyway, so the Jewish wedding ritual subtly implies they've been shagging on the quiet for a while now);
-Vows are exchanged/document signed;
-Glass smashed; everyone cheers, some ululation;
-Folk dancing;
-DRUM AND BASS AND PSYTRANCE RAVE 'TIL SUNUP, WOOOOO! BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
-Some more folk dancing;
-2-4 days of continual drinking, eating cake and general mucking about.

One of these is not like the others.
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:32, Reply)
This is a normal post
Well then he just shares his world view with a bunch of nazi cocks.
 (Dr. Benway used to lead an amen warfare., Wed 11 Mar 2009, 1:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Before clicking through.
I guessed that Varg Vikernes and Burzum were flavours of Linux that I hadn't heard of yet.

I was wrong.
 (I helped save b3ta! teedyay, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:48, Reply)
This is a normal post You are happy that a murdering
psychopathic fucknugget is being released from prison because he may make another record? I think you need some perspective....
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:39, Reply)
This is a normal post ^kind of what I said^
but with more use of the word "fucknugget"
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:44, Reply)
This is a normal post It absolutely fascinates me
how people can seperate someones art from their personality at times.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:50, Reply)
This is a normal post That Hitler
he painted some nice landscapes.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Hitler... Now there was a painter!
He could do an entire apartment in one afternoon: two coats!
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Erm, yeah.
I am. He's served his sentence, and that. I doubt he's going to be wandering the streets randomly stabbing passing Jews, he just wants to be left alone to live on a farm.

I like Burzum, at least up until Filosofem, why is it bad that I'd quite like some more of his music? I don't have to follow his ideology in order to buy a record.
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:06, Reply)
This is a normal post It just seems a bit wrong to me to
be celebrating a murderer being set free from prison. Regardless of the reason.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:14, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm not defending the murder
at all, but I do consider it a good thing that he might be releasing another record. Besides, as I say, he served his sentence. Isn't the point of rehabilitation that we stop viewing him as 'Varg Vikernes, horrid stabby murder-goth' and allow him to paint his clean slate however he chooses?
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, I know.
Sorry if it appeared I was suggesting that :)

I do agree that he should be allowed to move on with his life, but it just seems a bit wrong to me to be celebrating someone getting released from prison.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:58, Reply)
This is a normal post
And supporting him with your money.
 (Dr. Benway used to lead an amen warfare., Wed 11 Mar 2009, 1:39, Reply)
This is a normal post So
should I only buy records by squeaky-clean boy bands who wouldn't say boo to a goose?
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Wed 11 Mar 2009, 4:11, Reply)
This is a link post MIT Technology Turns Humans into Carebears
In a demo presented at the TED conference last week, an MIT research group gave us a flavor of what the future of augmented reality might be. Basically, their system involved a wearable projector, camera, and computer. Using computer vision, the camera would identify what was in front of you, then project information on to this object or person.

Edit: Description added to save further confusion
 (Davethefan began lurking again on or around, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Thought we were gonna kcik off big style with the GM debate then :(

(I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:54, Reply)
This is a normal post here's the talk
www.ted.com/index.php/talks/pattie_maes_demos_the_sixth_sense.html
great stuff
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:09, Reply)
This is a normal post That is fantastic.
Wish the future would hurry up and get here...
 (I helped save b3ta! IHaveABadFeelingAboutThis most likely working from home on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:36, Reply)
This is a normal post That is most excellent.
I'd want a head mounted display though. If I was browsing word clouds associated with people I'd want to be the only one who could see them. Imagine it came up with "this person is a total pillock", and they happened to glance at their chest.

Also, what happens if you meet a woman who is wearing a low cut top? "I'm not staring at your breasts, I'm reading your tag cloud... honest!"
 (Mr._Pickles, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post i want the future
now!
 (I helped save b3ta! null and void, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:56, Reply)
This is a normal post that's pretty awesome
not sure I'd want to wear a projector though mind you, wouldn't be so good on the old spinal column!
 (I helped save b3ta! abstraction is somewhere out there..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Reminds me of
this.
 (tacpprm has a mmrpcat, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:37, Reply)
This is a normal post I used to love Superkaylo
I'm miffed it's gone for ever.
 (I helped save b3ta! M3rx likes the Asian ladies, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:04, Reply)
This is a normal post I feel cheated by this slightly.
I was expecting the guy to walk around and see everyone around him appear to be Care-bears. My version of augmented reality sounds like more fun than MITs.
 (I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:38, Reply)
This is a normal post NOOOOOOOOO HOLY NOOOOOO IN THE NAME OF WHAT THE F?
LOOK AT THE POST I MADE TODAY INDEPENDENTLY....

www.b3ta.com/links/288362 this is my post.

In response to this thread www.b3ta.com/links/288306#post288362
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:24, Reply)
This is a normal post OH GOD IT'S WORSE THAN I THOUGHT!!
I thought maybe you just used that title for this thread because you'd seen my earlier comment.
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:25, Reply)
This is a normal post To quote my post:
"Okay, but by that reckoning 20 years ago we should have landed on Jupiter. 10 years ago we should have begun riding unicorns and by now we should have evolved into care bears."

Where did my mind pull that from? I was trying to think of the most fantastical thing I could to make a point and dammit, we HAVE evolved into Care Bears :(
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:29, Reply)
This is a normal post It really doesn't help that my reply was to a thread about
wild conspiracy type theories and secret encoded messages and numerology type thing. Which is like, say the number twentythree mysteriousness.

Oh did I post this shortly after on the main board too? www.b3ta.com/board/9256029

Synchronicity is the word of the day.
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:33, Reply)
This is a normal post thats rather haunting

(Davethefan began lurking again on or around, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, yeah, I think I know now what my subconscious must have hit on when it came up with care bears


This is an old image I did of Chump
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Wed 11 Mar 2009, 8:26, Reply)
This is a link post Pretend friends required for micebase site I made this!
I feel cheap and dirty doing this but... hey-ho, fuck it. I've been a b3tan for several years (though only alive with this username for a few days) so I thought I'd whore myself out massively here first give you lovely people the opportunity to listen to my band's album.

It's music so none of teh funny unless you're particularly amused by our Chris Morris inspired band name.

EDIT: Now with added last.fm goodness!
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:19, Reply)
This is a normal post How
many genres of music? Lully. I like "Endless Hurt" oh so muchly.
 (Cosmic Gypo SometimesyouhavetoBitetheDog, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:41, Reply)
This is a normal post thank you x 1,000,000
The consensus amongst our friends is that that's easily our best song.

Only 6 tracks can be uploaded which means we had to miss off an industrial/numetally track, a mogwai-like dirge and a jangly guitar/synth indie track.

We were also hoping to do some D'n'B but didn't get round to doing so.
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:48, Reply)
This is a normal post It's a bit of
the Cure, Yo La Tengo, the Specials and Sigur Ross innit. The synth work on the lead voice suits the sound scape perfectly.

D+B is always win. Go for it dude.
 (Cosmic Gypo SometimesyouhavetoBitetheDog, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:54, Reply)
This is a normal post is it a load of steaming midriff?
or some littlebeat?
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:43, Reply)
This is a normal post well we were steaming
for a lot of the writing/recording process.

EDIT: or am I missing a Blue Jam / On The Hour reference?
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Have you ever written a spherical song?
Has Michael Nyman?
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:37, Reply)
This is a normal post I can tell you one thing now
we're certain we will never become geniuses :P
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:47, Reply)
This is a normal post In Blue Jam yes when the guy is listing off clubs and venues and DJ's to visit
DJ Boiled Mouse etc :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Professor Fnord Regius Professor of B3ta Chronology, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah
DJ Lemsip :D
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Heard of LastFM?

(I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:25, Reply)
This is a normal post I haven't been on it for a few years
but I did notch up nearly 10,000 tracks played when I was. Are you suggesting they could help me shamelessly pimp myself out reach a greater online audience?
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:29, Reply)
This is a normal post massively yes follow my linky
musicmanager.last.fm/

upload to lastFM (you may get a better audience - and pimp the site on Myspac as well ... :)
 (I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:44, Reply)
This is a normal post 'does not accept friend requests from bands'?
Well, that's just rude.
 (I helped save b3ta! Angry Boss Bee I love horses, death to other animals, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:29, Reply)
This is a normal post curse you myspace *shakes fist*
I didn't set up the account. I'm currently scrambling to find out how to undo this shocking injustice.
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Hey fella.
Myspace seems to be borking for me, but reading the responses I would really like to hear it.

Anywhere else I can listen?
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Not at the moment sorry
But I'll be following awallafashagba's advice (see above) so I may gaz you a URL later.
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Awesome :D
That would please me greatly!
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:50, Reply)
This is a normal post
this pleases me - when you've done it GAZ me too ' i'll help you get some incremental listeners .. ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Some nice tracks
If you need hosting of tracks I'd also suggest you use soundcloud.com. That's what I use. Unlimited tracks and better player than myspace.

Mix downs could do with a bit of work. The vocals seem to sit quite far back in the mix.

Otehrwise some nice ideas.
 (The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:47, Reply)
This is a normal post thanks for advice
I did most of mixing and didn't really have a clue what I was doing i.e. picked it up as I went along. The singer kept on asking to be made more and more quiet ;)
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Ignore him!
The vocal really needs pushing forward. Good stuff though!

/edit. By "him", I mean your singer.
 (I helped save b3ta! Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:25, Reply)
This is a normal post What did you mix with?
I suppose the quality of your mix downs vary greatly with the set up you have. ie monitor placement, type of monitors, quality of plug ins used etc etc.

I make dance music so it's a whole different ball game to what you doing, but I do think with a little tweaking you could improve your sound greatly.
 (The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:05, Reply)
This is a normal post equipment
Recording: Vocals done using a Behringer phantom preamp with a JTS condenser mic into a PC with a DMX 6Fire. Guitars also done through the 6Fire.
Software: Cool Edit Pro for mixing (bit old school I know) and FL Studio for synths and beats.
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:26, Reply)
This is a normal post you need to try reaper
Seriously. Its a $50 DAW (a la cubase, logic) and its very very good. I suggest you move to that immediately! Much better for your applications than cool edit pro. It supports vst's and best of all you can download a fully functioning version for free that never expires.

Check it out here: www.reaper.fm/
Also for some really amazing free vst plug ins check out: varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/

I'm not an engineer, but I could point you in the direction of some helpful sites if you want. Rather message me on here if you want that cos I'll miss it otherwise
 (The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:58, Reply)
This is a link post DJ Abstraction - Short House Mix Video - 8th March 2009 (17 Mins) I made this!
I primarily done this to test my new Toshiba Camileo H20 camcorder, which doesn't seem to be too shabby for the price.

I'm yet to work out what's best for editing HD videos on the PC so this is DVD ish quality. Any opinions on software would be great :)

A couple of people commented on the mix so I thought I'd post it on here. It's just 17 mins with 5 house tracks.

Tracks:
1. Kaskade - Back on You (Original Mix)
2. Amanda Wilson - Spin it Again (Keller Mix)
3. Sophia May - Another Day (Club Mix)
4. Interplay - Closer (Adam Byrd Remix)
5. Seal - Amazing (Kaskade Remix)

Equipment:
2 x Pioneer CDJ 1000mk3
DJM-600 Mixer
Korg Kaoss Pad 3 (Effects)
M-Audio Microtrack 2 (Audio Recording)
Toshiba Camileo H20 (Video Recording)

 (I helped save b3ta! abstraction is somewhere out there..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:16, Reply)
This is a normal post bookmarked for later ;) U ok Abs?

(I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Cheers :)
I'm doing good thanks, just watching progress bars at the moment... I mean working lol!

How's yourself?
 (I helped save b3ta! abstraction is somewhere out there..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:30, Reply)
This is a normal post fucking awesome mate ...
apart from lusting over the new office bint ...
 (I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:19, Reply)
This is a normal post aah!
But that's not a bad thing though is it? I wish I had an office bint to lust over :D
 (I helped save b3ta! abstraction is somewhere out there..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:29, Reply)
This is a normal post I'll certainly give this a listen at home
seeing as you're now a pretend myspace friend. Cheers.
 (nommy sossy sammiches om nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:32, Reply)
This is a normal post hahah
:D There are some websites that will automatically invite thousands of randoms to your friends list if you are after numbers.
 (I helped save b3ta! abstraction is somewhere out there..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:34, Reply)
This is a link post Frank Schaeffer: Open Letter to the Republican Traitors (From a Former Republican)
Ronseal.

A good read that cuts right through to the heart of the matter
 (I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:39, Reply)
This is a normal post wow
especially the last two paragraphs.
I thought only my parents could make me feel like that.
and I'm not even a republican.
 (I helped save b3ta! Arsonade is saving up for a new box of hummus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Phew
some hope after all then. Nice find.
 (Cosmic Gypo SometimesyouhavetoBitetheDog, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Jesus!
That is pretty brutal! But wholly justified I feel :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Brutal?
Nothing more so than the truth young man.
 (Cosmic Gypo SometimesyouhavetoBitetheDog, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Wholly justified and very, very necessary

(I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:51, Reply)
This is a normal post oooh thanks for that
And still Republican voters insist that W will go down as "one of the best presidents in history".
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Pleasure
That alone highlights how deluded the lot of them are. They will, thankfully, remain unelectable for a long time yet! :D
 (I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:56, Reply)
This is a normal post not so sure
the religious right has a big base of people who aren't going to want to back down any time soon (these are mostly, sadly, the 6000-year-old-earth creationists)

ho hum
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:59, Reply)
This is a normal post This is true
But many, many voters in key demographics (young, black, latino) abhor Republican policies.

All they could achieve in the most recent election was to shore up their base, using the disgusting Sarah Palin - and that wasn't enough to carry them to White House

If the Republicans can find a leader who can bring back the voters that swung to the Democrat ticket in 2008 then it'll be a close one in 2012.
 (I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post pop quiz
which one of these communities has lots of money?

- young
- black
- latino
- white
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Granted
But what good is all that money if they continue spunk it up the wall by supporting the tired and unappealing neo-con party?

Having said that, were they even willing to put money up in the first place? The McCain camp took the option to have their campaign publicly funded, and made much reference to this in light of Obama's staggering fundraising.

Did they do this because it gave them a moral high ground? Or because a feasibility study (and it's not too much of a stretch to presume they carried one out) said they couldn't go toe to toe with Obama?
 (I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:06, Reply)
This is a normal post damn
I wish I had answers to these questions!
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Unfotunately, that highlights the importance
of ingesting your news from as many sources as possible.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:29, Reply)
This is a normal post ^^ this x1000
yes yes yes yes yes

Although I'm not a 'merkin, I live near an extensive US army & civilian community. And I really see the full range of political opinions in the people that I meet.

Those that worry me, however, are the ones who come from communities (mostly bible belt & mid-west) where Every. Single. Person. they've known has also been a full on religious-right, gay-bashing, Fox-newsing Republican.

You can usually tell who they are because they come to Europe and meet gays/liberals/free-thinkers/hippies etc. for the first time and they suffer a genuine culture shock.

For those who are never exposed to that sort of outside influence, then there's really no hope of them getting out of the religious-right bubble.
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:41, Reply)
This is a normal post True dat.
Where are you then? Up Suffolk way?
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post noooooooo
In Germanland.
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:06, Reply)
This is a normal post You're not wrong here, friend

(I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:07, Reply)
This is a normal post hey
did you get the link I Pm'ed you a while back?
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:56, Reply)
This is a normal post I did, thanks
I'd seen that youtube clip of the Brit before, certainly intriguing. I'd wanted to go to his talk toward the end of February near Old Street but didn't have the time
 (I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:43, Reply)
This is a normal post basically the same happened to me
Having mostly been around wishy-washy liberals and lefties* I got exposed to ultra-conservatives and pro-gunners and the like.

They're a great source of a good healthy argument whenever I need one. Certainly makes me think more about justifying my own ideals and morals whenever I engage with them.

*edit: I'd consider myself a socially liberal fiscally conservative person
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:16, Reply)
This is a link post Bloke goes round switching off TVs at last years CES
Possibly glasscock. Let me know if it is and I'll delete
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Not sure if its glasscock
I saw it last year somewhere but Im not sure it was here. Quite funny really, although not for the companies that could have lost a fortune due to this scamp making their presentations look unprofessional. Still I wasnt working for one of them so hehe :)
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:58, Reply)
This is a normal post The chap that makes the remote
reckons this stunt made him about $20,000 worth of sales, so at least someone came out of it happy.
 (I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:05, Reply)
This is a normal post *wonders if i can trace your steps to posting this*
you were reading the register article about it today and went to track down the footage?
 (I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:11, Reply)
This is a normal post And you were reading The Register too?
You know posting on here so you don't have to do your 10k picture is cheating.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:14, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this^

(Colonel Santiago Introduced surprised kitty to the world., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Your next post on here is 200
I'm sure that merits some kind of nudiness? Maybe just a little finger?
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:23, Reply)
This is a normal post i'm not doing my 10k picture now
work would complain
 (I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:27, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah good point.
I'll just have to keep waiting then.....
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Ha ha!
Possibly, possibly.
 (I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:55, Reply)
This is a normal post That was a rare lapse of professionalism
by the otherwise wonderful Gizmodo:

gizmodo.com/343348/confessions-the-meanest-thing-gizmodo-did-at-ces
 (Seebeedee, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:50, Reply)
This is a normal post This was so awesome...
... that it got them a lifelong ban from the most important consumer electronics exhibition in the world. Which basically made Engadget win the blog war.
 (Dr. Benway used to lead an amen warfare., Wed 11 Mar 2009, 1:47, Reply)
This is a link post Awwwww.... Gay Ducks!
The last three members of a rare species of duck in this country [two males, one female] were put together in the hopes of getting one last clutch of eggs.

Unfortunately, the boyducks seem to prefer each other, to the ladyduck, thus dooming their species to extinction in the UK.
 (I helped save b3ta! Seventh is somewhat subdued, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Typical
the one on the right's mincing.

Mmm, ducky!
 (Frozen_Banana Shaved against the grain; thoroughly unrewarding., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:03, Reply)
This is a normal post awwww
thats quite sweet
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha, what are the odds
doesn't artificial insemination work on ducks then?
 (Caustic Armadillo consists at least 30% out of custard, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:52, Reply)
This is a link post Printer Jam
I've not been about recently, so many apologies if this is at all GC'y - its rather good
(Pesky Young Scamp, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Great isn't it :D
Works well with a cockatoo
 (I helped save b3ta! Bela Lugosi's Dad, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah, I posted this last week.
Worth seeing again, though.
Best way to check for GC is with title search here - www.b3ta.com/search/links
 (I helped save b3ta! Zuowan, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:20, Reply)
This is a link post Codex Alimentarius P1 of 5
Codex Alimentarius comes into effect worldwide on December 31st this year.

I suggest you learn all about it, or not.
Waheeeeeeey!
(I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:04, Reply)
This is a normal post but....?? What about the "thing" that was going to happen last year???
did it get cancelled due to wet weather

Edit: Yaaaay It's got Nazis in it :) I guessed it would....
Edit X2: Do Conspiracies have Fads & Fashions?.. A while back it was all chemtrails and black ops aircraft.. Now you Catnipp and the all the rest seem to be on a foody health murcury, msg, aspartame gig??
 (I helped save b3ta! The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Pick a year. Any year..
www.survive2012.com/
 (I helped save b3ta! Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:09, Reply)
This is a normal post I know we're probably going to fuck up the Olympics
but will it really cause the end of the world?
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:11, Reply)
This is a normal post I've never mentioned any of that wacky bullshit, you dog fucker.
:)
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, the master of ready wit and repartee has left the building.

(I helped save b3ta! Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Well that's a bit low

(I helped save b3ta! megapowerskills is farming apple meat, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:53, Reply)
This is a normal post What can go wrong in 2012?
Time Travel Error

It's your kids Marty!
 (I helped save b3ta! Alabaster Codify wouldn't piss on yr gums if yr teeth were on fire, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, I've had several comments about this..
I posted a video of Colin Powell being interviewed, warning the American people about an event that would happen..er..whenever it was.

Nothing happened.

Oh well.
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:14, Reply)
This is a normal post You mean the one that
stated that a change would come on January 13th?
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Erm..the one with Colin Powell, I forget which.

(I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:18, Reply)
This is a normal post I believe that is the one you refer to.
It was picked over by people for months leading up to the date. What none of the geniuses seemed to realise was that was the day that Barack Obama was going to be sworn in, and Colin Powell was talking in a very abstract manner.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah well
well done for admitting that, and not changing your posts or whatever. Woo!
 (Cap'n, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Have you met Catnippp?
You'd either get on brilliantly or you'd both self destruct.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Dekion does at least have a good (and wacky) sense of humour with his pics

(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:17, Reply)
This is a normal post I also make a mean burger.
Don't forget that, you cheeky scamp.

Also, while I'm here, are you aware of the masons in the US pushing the CHIP system for children?
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I think this is a good idea.
All children should be chipped and par-fried before cooking, to extract their natural flavourings.
 (Smelch God says I'm a Pirate now. Yarr!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Bastard.

I was drinking tea and eating biscuits when I read that.

Now I've got to clean my monitor.
 (I helped save b3ta! Evil Prof. Pixel Masher I made this!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:15, Reply)
This is a normal post That's weird.
Because over here the government want to band chips for kids.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:29, Reply)
This is a normal post they have set up an initiative, yes
inviting, not 'pushing' parents into preparing a set of data - solely owned by the parent - in case the child ever goes missing.
It has been well documented that all the data (which is presumably where you're going with this, I could be wrong) is only owned by the parent on a cd/dvd,
and is immediately wiped from the computer system it's prepared on once the cd/dvd has been made for the parent. :)
It's quite well documented and adhered to from basic research. On. The. Internet.
*Peace* :)
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:33, Reply)
This is a normal post
ah of course the exquisite techniques of reason to justify every action they deem necessary to protect their personal agendas

groups who have no interest in wider society but are masters of selling everything they do as the betterment of the people

Reducing civil liberties = protection of the people

The invasion of Iraq = protection from WMDs and Saddam's funding of 'Al Quida' until it is demonstrably shown to be bollocks

and now this bollocks

of course it's just coincidence that David Rockefeller told of the micro chipped population LINK as the end goal of the fabricated 'war on terror'

href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7se4gFTCys

it's ok just coincidence

ah the joys of having an international fraternity of well connected 'brothers' and the old boys network taking secret oaths with each other (with the useful idiots at the bottom) to get everyone singing from the same hymn sheet

it took a few million years for humans to develop backbones - why anyone would give theirs up to join this organisation is beyond me - unless of course you place taking professional perks/ connections/social climbing/status/ and subservience above your personal integrity
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:39, Reply)
This is a normal post hahahaha
Love it, welcome back Mr Goat.
 (I helped save b3ta! Brandy_Bumwinkle, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post hi fella
jellyfish that can type get my back up sometimes

;)
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post boolocks. Best of all the locks
and the perfect summation of your 'points' on freemasonry right there.

Good show... And well edited up there :)

edit: something that 'may' interest you. - and I'm being serious here. I noticed below you mention you don't have a TV,
but there is a rather nice (if cliched) little programme on which I caught last night called 'Grow Your Own Drugs'.
Aside from the provocative title designed to whip up viewers, there has been some good suggestions on 'natural'
(or semi-natural) ways to make various products to aid ailments.
You may be able to catch up with it on the iPlayer, or I believe there is a website on the bbc site dedicated to it.
If you grow your own food/herbs etc as you suggest, it might be worth a gander. It's presented in a dreadful 'jolly hockey sticks' kind of format
which is annoying, but the recipes seem sound, if its something that would interest you. Just a thought.
One of the recipes I've used before myself several times, and it works. It certainly also saves trips to the quack for everything. :)
As said, it may or may not be of interest, but just thought I'd mention it, as it is something which is introducing
specific 'natural' remedies to a wider audience.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I like some of his work.
I don't agree with all his theories and his large rambling statements on /board don't really help anyone.

I have linked this video as it is important information.

It contains facts, if that offends, then avoid.
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Its not my cup of tea I have to amit
but I wouldn't say it offends me!

And you aren't a complete nutter like him.


ED: Admit. Fucking non-editable subject lines.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, this has been fun kids.
Unky Dek has to go now.

xxxxxxx
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:26, Reply)
This is a normal post So it's a voluntary reference guide which suggestts
vitamin and 'health food' manufacturers should actually say what's in their products.

Yeah, I can see how that's terrifying.
 (I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Where have I said I'm "terrified"?
Also you should watch all five parts before making an assessment.

Or not, I don't really care.
 (I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah ok, too much Catnippp exposure, he's terrified of everything.
I don't have sound at work so I looked up other sources.

It seems like the health food industry (The biggest bunch of quacks and con-artists in the western world) are really worried about this, so I'm tentatively pro-Codex.
 (I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:23, Reply)
This is a normal post Can anyone figure this out?
I'm baffled. She's all over the place. It's got something to do with Nazis and the UN, but beyond that, I'm stumped.

Were this an essay, I'd return it with a one-word comment. That word would be "EH?".
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, there you are.

(I helped save b3ta! (|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:25, Reply)
This is a normal post *waves*
Hello.

I'm genuinely baffled by this, and I really can't see why I should sit through an hour of it to de-baffle myself. What the hell is the point she's making?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:27, Reply)
This is a normal post She annoyed me early on...
...and I do not have time to listen to all of it.

Have you read the codex, Deikonplexis? If so, please summarise it here without any propaganda, so us B3tards can make our own decisions.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Have you read the codex, Deikonplexis?
That's a rhetorical question, isn't it?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:36, Reply)
This is a normal post It is a little..
especially as I have read a bit about it, and would be interested to see how differently things come across from him.

From what I can tell, it's broadly a good idea, which would apply standards to food safety and trading.

What I find really amusing is the anti-codex/anti-pharma people claiming that it will restrict your access to vitamins, to try to make you ill. I'm not sure when alternative health shops and supplements became your only access to vitamins - personally, I just eat a healthy diet.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:44, Reply)
This is a normal post nice links Dex
TheAlmightyBeev ,here's a link if you could be bothered in easy to digest paragraphs on what this is about

www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=155

have no doubts this has nothing to do with consumer protection anymore than the anti terror legislation and ID card act has to make society safer

it is about the same old chestnut of money and control and it's one of the reasons I grow my own food/hemp/herbs and make my own colloidal silver (which I use for Malaria prevention)

*codex alimentarius is just a fancypants way of saying food laws
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Any why would food laws would be a problem?
You do realise food is already regulated, don't you? Hygiene standards, quality standards etc.

The codex would actually restrict the amount of pesticides used on food crops, and certainly control the levels of such that get into your food.

Growing your own food and herbs is admirable, I do the same myself.

Oh, and do you know if colloidal silver is safe? Seeing as it often contains nano-particles of silver, do you know how your body deals with them? I don't.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:47, Reply)
This is a normal post read the link

(The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Could you provide something less biased?
This stuff wears it's bias on it's sleeve. It even lies about the definition of codex - which means code, not rules.

Edit -
Lets face it, this is just propaganda. I love the fears about controlling vitamin c supplements. What's wrong with oranges? Spinach? You can get all the nutrients you need from normal, healthy food.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't be so naive,
you can't get "normal" food anymore, don't you know it's all controlled by the man?
 (I helped save b3ta! Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post
watch the link in that case it's pretty comprehensive if you need objectivity

"Lets face it, this is just propaganda. I love the fears about controlling vitamin c supplements. What's wrong with oranges? Spinach? You can get all the nutrients you need from normal, healthy food."

soil nutrients use up very quickly (unless you live in the Andes which renews the soil with mminerals from the glacial melt hence the health of teh HUnza(? check the native word) people)

farm fertilisers won't cut it, I'm afraid

people NEED to supplement - you will not get it in food under modern farming methods


also if you want cry "propaganda look at motives

on one hand a huge business trying to restrict natural remedies which can be home grown to make profits fro it's own industry and maintain greater control

or

on the other hand , people wanting access to natural remedies, which can be home grown, and preserve the rights they have enjoyed for thousands of years

mmmmmm...tough one
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Natural remedies
ARE a huge business.
 (Seebeedee, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:55, Reply)
This is a normal post a huge and very poorly regulated business
who sell products which require very little testing, and no proof of their claims of their safety. A business that should be regulated in my opinion.

There was a lovely example a few years back - vitamin c tablets made from orange peel. No ody mentioned all of the various toxic and unpleasant things in orange peel though...
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:14, Reply)
This is a normal post That's a load of nonsense.
Really, just nonsense.

Soil nutrients are easily replenished by crop rotation and digging in good compost or well rotted manure.

PEOPLE DO NOT NEED TO SUPPLEMENT, THEY JUST NEED A HEALTHY DIET.

"on one hand a huge business trying to restrict natural remedies which can be home grown to make profits fro it's own industry and maintain greater control"

Read that back to yourself. They will never be able to restrict legal things that can be home grown, nor do they care. I assure you, they would not be coming round to take away your st john's wort...

I do cry propaganda, as that it what it is.

Do you realise that they are not trying to restrict natural remedies, they are trying to restrict the uncontrolled and unregulated sale of these things, which could very well be harmful?
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:10, Reply)
This is a normal post I did read it.
The one you provided.

It's utter, unbridled nonsense.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post What is this "Maleria"
anyway? :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:06, Reply)
This is a normal post "make my own colloidal silver (which I use for Maleria prevention)"
Sorry that made me laugh like a loon for some reason..
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:49, Reply)
This is a normal post well alot of people do
people laugh at alot fo stuff they don't understand - until they do the research and have had the benefits proven to you first hand, which I have and to me the benefits are indistputable after I treated 2 people succefully so far with confirmed Maleria who could not afford the conventional drugs and could not access them if they could due to the remotness of their location

did you know colloidal silver was used early in this century before anti biotocs came along?

a number of reports can be found in British and American medical journals on the use of silver for a variety of diseases - Dr Keith Courteney includes many of these teh book "Colloidal Silver" (Oracle Press, Montville, Qld, 1999; )

"used as anti-bactericide and anti-fungal both intravenously and intramuscularly, as a throat gargle, douche, orally, topically, and as eye drops(Z Baranowski Colloidal Silver The Natural Antibiotic Alternative, Healing Wisdom Publications, NY, 1995)

"Colloidal Silver has been tested at numerous laboratories. It appears to be effective on microbiological organisms because it carries an electrical charge opposite to that of most pathogens. One researcher O. Diaries, in describing the effects of silver, states that administration of silver is "rapidly fatal to parasites, both bacterial or otherwise without any toxic action on the host" -

"to primitive life forms, silver is as toxic as, conventional chemical disinfectants" - source; Thompson, the Runcorn Health Laboratory, Cheshire, states

"Physician Patents Technique Using Silver Ions" - source Silver News July 27, 1999, a bi-monthly newsletter published by The Silver Institute.

QUOTE:
"Clinical tests indicate that the silver-based procedure is so successful that one patient who had sustained three crushed fingers in an accident grew new tissue rapidly. Within 2-1/2 months, skin coverage was complete and there was normal full sensation, good blood supply and all joints had a normal range of motion. If left untreated, the 30-year old electrician's fingers would have fallen off after turning black from gangrene, and he would have been left with a totally useless hand. Ironically, his orthopaedic surgeon recommended amputation of all three fingers, but the patient requested silver-ion therapy, which proved successful"

if I had the time I'd go on - but honestly is there a point?

you make your own reality

I hope your cynicism works for you, as well as my open mindedness and resaerch is working for me

under codex this would be banned -the reason the FDA doesn't license it is because studies take years at millions of dollars and the process can not be patenetd so they wouldn't make a return of money or profit from it

peace
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Of course, it also has known toxicity
and it's use was discontinued when it became obvious that modern antibiotics were more effective (probably slightly less so now due to resistance).

My concern is that these are micro- and nano- scale particles of silver, which the body has no mechanism to get rid of. In some cases, they appear to be deposited under the skin, but in others there is reason to be concerned that they may cause problems in the future.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Shhhhh...
If we tell him that there's no difference between a medicine and a poison, his head'll explode.

Wait.

Hey, Goat: There's no difference between a medicine and a poison.

*waits*
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:08, Reply)
This is a normal post nope
you neeed to knwo how to make it - distilled water with .9999 pure silver and the right voltage to get the right particle size( about 0.01 to 0.0001 micron diameter) suspension in a solution of deionized water

Medical journal reports and studies have indicated no known side effects from use of Colloidal Silver

Quote
"Nadine Wooley a greatly improved M.S patient, drank more than one pint a day of (HVAC produced) of Colloidal Silver for over 4 years. She showed brain lesions caused by the M.S. on a scan prior to the silver treatment, and the dispersal of two brain lesions (partly responsible for the M.S.) after 8 months of silver use. A blood test undertaken by the Mayo clinic revealed no silver toxicity

She had a dramatic reduction in her M.S. symptoms over this period. Silver is not stored in the tissues and needs to be regularly consumed, e.g. daily, to achieve the best results "
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Reference?
I'll bet you a jam doughnut that your quotation isn't from a peer-reviewed journal.

Your recipe is meaningless as far as I can see, and you provide no reason to think that your "solution" - not actually a solution, by the way - would do anything at all.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:17, Reply)
This is a normal post
Baker CD, Federico MJ, Accurso FJ (December 2007). "Case report: skin discoloration following administration of colloidal silver in cystic fibrosis". Curr. Opin. Pediatr. 19 (6): 733–5. doi:10.1097/MOP.0b013e3282f11fee. PMID 18025945.

Brandt D, Park B, Hoang M, Jacobe HT (August 2005). "Argyria secondary to ingestion of homemade silver solution". J. Am. Acad. Dermatol. 53 (2 Suppl 1): S105–7. doi:10.1016/j.jaad.2004.09.026. PMID 16021155

Mirsattari SM, Hammond RR, Sharpe MD, Leung FY, Young GB (April 2004). "Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver". Neurology 62 (8): 1408–10. PMID 15111684

Wadhera A, Fung M (2005). "Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver". Dermatol. Online J. 11 (1): 12. PMID 15748553

McKenna JK, Hull CM, Zone JJ (July 2003). "Argyria associated with colloidal silver supplementation". Int. J. Dermatol. 42 (7): 549. PMID 12839605

Glad to see your open-minded research is going so well.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:20, Reply)
This is a normal post While I'm at it...
Fung MC, Bowen DL (1996). "Silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment". J. Toxicol. Clin. Toxicol. 34 (1): 119–26. PMID 8632503

"CONCLUSIONS: We emphasize the lack of established effectiveness and potential toxicity of these products."
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post colliodal silver with made with salts
or as the method I outlined of the particle size (about 0.01 to 0.0001 micron diameter), I stated ?

you can quote until the cows come home but you need to tell me how that colliodal silver was made and the particle size - at this makes the difference

please specify?

also I guess that's why all the people I know who've been using it for years are turning into smurfs -don't make me laugh ;)
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:26, Reply)
This is a normal post well it's certainly
buggering up your spelling and grammar.
 (I helped save b3ta! Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:34, Reply)
This is a normal post pffft
I'll give you that one
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:35, Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:35, Reply)
This is a normal post I havent read through all of the papers...
...so I'm not sure how any of the colloidal silver was made. I doubt it matters as much as you think though.

But it does expose the fact that you hadn't done the research, doesn't it?

You said "Medical journal reports and studies have indicated no known side effects from use of Colloidal Silver"

Then I, using about 5 mins research, sourced a number of medical journal reports and studies that indicated known side effects from use of colloidal silver.

So you are either rubbish at researching these things, or were just making it up.

I see you think anecdote is more valuable than peer-reviewed research though, so nevermind.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:35, Reply)
This is a normal post
"I havent read through all of the papers...
...so I'm not sure how any of the colloidal silver was made. I doubt it matters as much as you think though""

it makes ALL the difference, as I keep telling you - and if you read my original post on the subject I play a large part in emphasising

""But it does expose the fact that you hadn't done the research, doesn't it?"""

research the papers that bother to provide the vital information - such as the vital issue of PARTICLE SIZE and HOW IT WAS MADE

all studies done with particle size I specify above show non-toxicity - for all I know the colloidal silver you're quoting could have used the pre 30s methods of creation with salts

and more importantly I have had first hand experience of non toxicity and benefits from the colliodal silver I specify above

vitamin A is good for you but in the wrong doses toxic - you get the idea?
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:45, Reply)
This is a normal post So pick and choose which bits of research to read
Then make erroneous comments like "Medical journal reports and studies have indicated no known side effects from use of Colloidal Silver"?

That comment was wrong, it doesn't matter how you try to get out of it.

The papers refer to either colloidal silver bought in alternative health shops, or home made ("The patient described brewing the colloidal silver solution using a 38,000-V generator, 100% pure silver coins, and distilled water.")

Either way, your colloidal silver has an enormous range of particle sizes - "0.01 to 0.0001 microns" That's like saying something costs between £1 and £100, or a distance is between 1 mile and 100 miles! You realise you're saying between 0.1 and 10 nanometres, don't you? So any concerns about nanoscale silver particles are perfectly warranted.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:59, Reply)
This is a normal post yep
as between 0.01 to 0.0001 microns (a large difference in microscopic terms) is the region proven safe and benefitial

so unless your telling me the particle size in those studies you're not telling me anything

it's like saying "someone drank some water and died " ulness you tell me how much you'll think drinking water was bad for you

big difference between someone sipping a glass and someone on ecstasy drinking 5 litres in 1 hour - big difference in effect too

you get the point?
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:05, Reply)
This is a normal post "is the region proven safe and benefitial "
Nope, it isn't. There's no proof, is there?

I do not have time to read all the papers that you claimed do not exist to tell you what particle size each of them were using.

I've told you one of the methods used which is, based on what you have told me, the same as your method. Others use over-the -counter preparations - are you saying that these would have particle sizes outside those "proven to be safe and beneficial"?

Here's an interesting quote for you, from one of the papers which discusses symptoms of someone making his own colloidal silver from deionised water, pure silver coins and high voltage (just like you):

"Deposits of silver may be found in internal organs including gastric tissue, liver, renal tubules, and seminiferous tubules of the testes."

What this boils down to is that you are free to take colloidal silver if you want to, but despite your claims there are studies showing adverse effects and toxicity. You can ignore these if you like, but you can't claim they don't exist.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:19, Reply)
This is a normal post
also you're aware some plain drinking water can contain up to 0.1 mg of silver per litre and still be within EPA safety guidelines right?


the colliodal silver benefitial dose is one 5ml dose per day of 0.01- 0.0001 mg (what I use and others I know to kill single celled virus)

the official guidelines of the silver safety report (Jan 99) have 0.02 - 0.08mg per litre per day as a safe amount to be injested

the WHO puts it at 0.08mg of silver per day from diet

even with the colloidal silver dose of corrcetl;y made silver colloid of upper limit 0.01mg and (not mentioning all down to 0.0001) you still have a huge margin to stay within official guidelines


I'd be far more concerned about your mercury, aliminium and lead levels than silver which has no toxic effects


and as a side note I could recommend a very good detox invloving cilantro(corianda)should you choose to remove your amalgam fillings (which Terry Pratchett thinks caused his alzeimers)
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:22, Reply)
This is a normal post So why bother, and why mention it in the first place if you can get all you need from drinking water?
And you do realise that 0.01-0.0001 micrometer particles is not equivalent to 0.01-0.0001mg of silver, don't you?

Simply put, you were wrong about there being no research about the toxicity and side effects of colloidal silver. I have to do some work now.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:33, Reply)
This is a normal post yep
I'm aware of my typos and grammar

silver in drinking water is not the same as colloidal silver with ionised distilled water

like I said are you aware of the official guidelines I quoted such as the WHO and the 99 Silver Safety report?

and again to labour the point unless the studies talk about particle size it's not telling us anything

plus it's worryingly genralised for something claiming to be an official report - it is very easy to get a sample tested after all to deternmine particle size

I have far too much to do too - I had only planned on a quick look at links but Codex is such an under reported improtant subject I couldn't resist

nice debating with you

peace :)
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Sorry, can I call bollocks here please?
I watched the terry Pratchett documentary and he did not state that he thinks his fillings caused his alzheimers. He said that he had been informed by some people on the internet that it is a possibility, but totally unproven. However, there would be no harm in avoiding any possible risk by having them replaced.

And anyway, even if he did think that the amalgam in his fillings did cause his alzheimers, what qualifies him to state it categorically? The man is an author, not a doctor or scientist.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:09, Reply)
This is a normal post ok
dont have a tv so can't comment although there is this:

Author Pratchett blames his Alzheimer's on mercury fillings
www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/feb/15/mercury-fillings-alzheimers


lets disregards Pratchett then

some questions for you:

does amalgam fillings contain mercury?
is mercury toxic?
is any level of mercury in the body acceptable?
what are those levels?

and before you say it yes there's mercury in fish and the environment too
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:11, Reply)
This is a normal post OK, I shall answer these questions to the best of my knowledge.
Yes, they contain mercury.
Yes, mercury can be toxic.
No-one knows for certain. Whipping up mass hysteria over an unfounded supposition is just ludicrous.

EDIT: I have chronic asthma. I believe that it was caused by my mother eating Angel Delight when she was pregnant with me. I have no medical qualifications, but it is happening to me. Does that make me an expert? No. I agree, this is reductio ad absurdum, but it iterates my point that Terry Pratchett is in no way quallified to comment on what caused his alzheimers conclusively.
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:19, Reply)
This is a normal post My Dads a dentist
and we were fairly hammered watching that Tonight episode on it, so the amount of shouting "you fucking idiots!" at the screen was plenty.

But anyway, he hasnt used amalgam for years, hes used "white fillings" for several reasons, but will still use amalgam in some cases as its more appropriate.. Hes an NHS dentist, and used to do alot of treatment not sanctioned by the NHS (cost issues) because he believed it was better for the patient, he was very naughty, and could have got a propper spanking for it. These days under the new contract NHS dentists can do what ever is best for their patient in their opinion, so its all peachy

As for amalgam, its been used for donkeys, my dads got amalgam fillings, they last for yonks, and do fuck all to you, there no evidence to say that they do. Removing them increases the risk of ingestion of mercury slightly, but whilst its in your gob your fine.

Now what made my dyed in the wool NHS dad start spitting, were the fucking morons spending thousands of pounds on some charlaton dentist wearing a fucking hazmat suit to remove perfectly fine and safe amalgam fillings for no reason other than spurious rumours.

But typicaly the BDA send some fucking moron to defend dentist, probably some old boys club private dentist that works 1 day a week..

NHS dentists need their own representation...

Hmmm I seem to be ranting, sorry..
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Do not worry about the rant at all :)
This is my point. If there were direct links they would have been found and amalgam would have been made illegal years ago! However, that means fuck all to these internet nutters.

It appears reading down the thread that any tough question to respond to has been ignored by him :)
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Just seen your edit
You're very sneaky, with all your little extra edits, aren't you?

"the colliodal silver benefitial dose is one 5ml dose per day of 0.01- 0.0001 mg (what I use and others I know to kill single celled virus)"

Right - viruses do not have cells. They take advantage of other organisms cells to use as virus-reproduction machines. By this statement, you acknowledge that your silver mixture attacks and kills your own cells (viruses may alter cell surface antigen expression, but as particles of silver couldn't be specific in that way, it's not relevant.)

Also, you've just said that tap water contains this amount of silver anyway, so drinking a litre of tap water would have the same effect (a greater effect, in fact, as you would be drinking more water.)

Furthermore, your excuse for not reading the research (despite the colloidal silver in those papers being manufactured in the same way as your own), is weak at best - why not just admit that you want to believe that it will help you, and purposely avoid reading anything that says otherwise?

And while I'm on a roll, please tell me how you know that your silver particles are the size you think they are - you have a microscope sensitive enough?

I strongly suspect you do not know what you are talking about. The viruses comment, along with the rubbish about silver having a different charge to bacteria, then moaning about ionic silver elsewhere (an ion is a charged particle - if your silver has 'a different charge' to bacteria, then we're dealing with ions). Seals the deal for me. Sorry Goat, you have shown yourself to be a fool.

"Peace".
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 19:42, Reply)
This is a normal post
"She had a dramatic reduction in her M.S. symptoms over this period."

Is that not perhaps because you can get relapsing-remitting M.S? So a reduction in symptoms was going to happen anyway. Whether you gave them silver or smeared them with chicken's blood.

EDIT: Should probably add, if you're reading, that MS is one of the worst conditions to try and prove the effectiveness of any drug/treatment on. The huge range of variability in sufferers mean the reliability of a sample, and the validity of any results obtained from them is laughable. The standard deviations involved alone would make a grown statician weep.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:53, Reply)
This is a normal post ok pick one of the other reports
I posted above with used as anti-bactericide and anti-fungal, tissue regeneration, lethal to single celled virus etc
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:10, Reply)
This is a normal post You mean the ones from such credible and even handed sources as....
The Silver Institute and Healing Wisdom?

Bias is in everything but research should inform your bias. Bias shouldn't inform your research.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Well said sir :D

(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Thank ye :D
* Takes a little bow *

I think when my current experiments have to go through the publication process I'm going to tag that on the end. Just in case any of the reviewers try and send it back for less than scientific reasons!

I've had an urge for Angel Delight since you mentioned it :(
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:20, Reply)
This is a normal post
cherry picking the reports you can dismiss while ignoring the others, cute:

Dr. Peter L. Reynolds, Ph.D.,
sub-titled "the safe silver"

Certified Nutritionist Zane Baranowski published a similar list in
"The Natural Antibiotic Alternative."

Alfred Searle, of pharmaceutical giant Searle Labs researched colloidal silver. 112 pharmaceutical silver drugs were patented

In the US the FDA classifies it as a pre 1938 drug and still allows it to be used so long as such products are 'advertised and labelled for the same use as in 1938 and manufactured in the original manner.'

etc

the strongest evidence for me is in practical use and the witnessed benefits - I prefer to take truth as authority rather than authority as truth - and I apply this to most things
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:28, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha!
"cherry pickin the reports you can dismiess while ignoring the others, cute:"

I think several others have pointed out cases of you doing just that. You've ignored entire studies in more credible journals, instead you've focused on ones that prove your point. Despite them being from sources with clear agendas.

Have I only looked at a few? Yes but that doesn't mean I've not looked at the others. I've not mentioned them because for the most part they are from the same sort of sources.

The Goat, I admire your enthusiasm for your beliefs. And of course you can believe in whatever you want for whatever reason. But when you start claiming a scientific basis for them then they're going to come under scientific scrutiny. And for the most part they don't hold up.

The sources you've used have tended to be ones with a clear bias. The ones you have ignored have been from a better class of journal.


As for the sources below. Lets have a gander shall we....

Dr Peter Reynolds....What kind of Doctor is he? What's his area of expertise? What's his motivation? Does he have a grant from a certain company or body that would encourage certain results? More importantly though does one paper make it fact? Science has anomalies. A balance of evidence has to be considered. You've been pointed in the direction of other studies but you've ignored them.

Certified Nutrionist? What kind of certification? You can gain all sorts of certification, especially in a growing field like nutrition. Certified doesn't mean anything when tagged on like that.
And again more importantly what does nutrition have to do with it? I know a certified Nutrionist and I know that he is not qualified to comment on micro-biology or medicine.

Alfred Searle patenting drugs doesn't mean the drugs work. Nor does it even mean he patented 112 radically different drugs. Many drugs are tweaked slightly when the patent starts to come to an end so they can keep it protected. All it means is he thought it prudent to patent as much stuff as he could. Which is what most companies like that do, just in case.

The FDA also approves a vast amount of drugs that studies have shown to be no better than placebo's, anti-depessants in particular. See the recent Irving Kirsch et al paper. In fact while we're on that have you ever considered that this 'treatment' is closer to a placebo effect?


* Takes deep breath *
And finally....if the strongest evidence for you is based on your subjective experience why are you arguing so hard about objective quantifiable evidence? Or is that just a retreat for you? The claims scientifically are on shakey ground so you've retreated to the safety of ancedotal belief? By all means do, just stop trying to claim that there's this overwhelming amount of scientific evidence for it.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:50, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha! Just done a quick google search about Mr Zane
He got his certification from National Institute for Nutritional Education.

www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html

Scroll down for a mention:D

EDIT: Should point out that that the classy Institute Zane went to is now the American Health Science University, which is on the list.....offering online degree's for a price.
 (Peljammy Watching Godzilla, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:59, Reply)
This is a normal post No known side effects?
Other than turning into a giant smurf - www.naturallysavvy.com/news-and-reviews/290-colloidal-silver-creates-a-human-smurf
 (Benzyl, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:57, Reply)
This is a normal post haha
fuck
 (I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:12, Reply)
This is a normal post again
this is IONIC silver not colliodal silver and he was rubbing it on his skin in addition to injesting it which causes the greyish skin tint

they always trot this story out to discredit its benefits

look at the uses of colloidal silver pre 1930s if you want the truth and the ailments it eas used to treat before big Pharma took hold - also the time they started banning hemp rich in THCs
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 17:17, Reply)
This is a normal post What?
You're "treating" people for Malaria with a home-made remedy?

Seriously? Fucking hell. That's not just misguided - it's medacious and dangerous.

You are Yahya Jammeh AICMFP, etc - except that this is serious.

Incidentally - while there is (I believe) some evidence for the medical use of silver, it's NOT the cure-all that you seem to think it is.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:06, Reply)
This is a normal post Meh - Do what you like matey.. for some reason i thought you were UK based, so thought maleria prevention might be a bit of over kill
Any way, my family is dyed in the wool NHS, ill take what the comrades tell me to take when I'm ill.. that way at least Ive got some one to sue..


Also Enzyme, I nearly fell of the chair at your comment!
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:21, Reply)
This is a normal post *takes bow*
Jammeh is gratifyingly nuts.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:31, Reply)
This is a normal post hello, microbiologist here....
"Colloidal Silver has been tested at numerous laboratories. It appears to be effective on microbiological organisms because it carries an electrical charge opposite to that of most pathogens."

so-called pathogens do not have a special electrical charge compared to any other micro organisms. So this means that if this really is working you're killing your own microbial flora in your body, in which case you should be feeling pretty shit by now.

do you know what your problem is??

"Oracle Press"
"Healing Wisdom Publications"
"Runcorn Health Laboratory"
"The Silver Institute"

there... that's your problem.

hippies, idiots and bullshit-artists the lot of them.
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post
some reports you are willing to recoginse?:

Dr. Peter L. Reynolds, Ph.D., sub-titled "the safe silver" lists aliments and diseases treated with colloidal silver

Certified Nutritionist Zane Baranowski published a similar list in "The Natural Antibiotic Alternative."

In the US the FDA classifies it as a pre 1938 drug and still allows it to be used so long as such products are 'advertised and labelled for the same use as in 1938 and manufactured in the original manner.'

also seeing as your a micro biologist check out the uses and successes and ailments by the medical industry before the more profitable anti-biotics replaced its uses
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Hello, microbiologist here too
And I agree.

The Goat - you are talking pure unadulterated bollocks.
 (I helped save b3ta! sm.pl.crt.rs I don't fucking know, do I?, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:39, Reply)
This is a normal post Saw who she represents
Will wait for Ben Goldacre to pick this one apart...
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:48, Reply)
This is a normal post He's on our show on Sunday
I doubt I'll get time to ask him about it though...
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:49, Reply)
This is a normal post ooh what show is that?

(I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post The Naked Scientists
www.thenakedscientists.com
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:56, Reply)
This is a normal post Shall try to have a listen to that!

(I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:57, Reply)
This is a normal post I'll post the podcast here anyway
it'll be out next Tuesday. Just getting Sunday's show online now.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:00, Reply)
This is a normal post The bigger problem is GM foods
As soon as most farmers are planting GM foods (which have a gene inserted into them to prevent using the crop as seed), and do not have stocks of normal seed, then the GM seed companies (mainly American) will have controll over world food production and can dictate the cost and availability of seed, a better weapon than nukes.
 (I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Ummm - no.
What's your concern here? Is it GM, per se, or what some people might do with it? Genetic modification is very promising - unless you happen to be a fan of famine and desertification...
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:19, Reply)
This is a normal post /\ this with fucking bells on
Im sick of the anti-gm lot..

Weve been genetical-modifying plants and animals since time immemorial, just these days we take a short cut.

And I'm not just saying this because I want a Bear-Wolf-Eagle hybrid for a pet...

EDIT- also, all this opposition to legislation and Gm etc and progress is because of a fear thart "the bad men might do bad with it".. thats no way to go about life.. Its the motherfucking future biatches! lets go nuts with the science! BRING ON THE NUCLEAR FUSION BABEY! WOOOO! YEAH! *crushes beer can on head*
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm still waiting for my hover car

(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Wrong
We have not been genetically modifying anything up until now, we have been selective breeding which is not inserting cow-arse genes into frogs brains to make a nice soup.
 (I helped save b3ta! Brandy_Bumwinkle, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:46, Reply)
This is a normal post You are Heston Blumenthal.
AICMFP.
 (I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:30, Reply)
This is a normal post I have no problem with genes from a species being mixed with other members of the same species by natural means
I think that inserting human genes into goats is an abomination
I think that destuctor genes in GM food crops is a means to make more money for the seed companies
I think that the human population has to live within the natural resources available and if birth controll doesnt keep it in check then starvation will, and GM foods will make the situation worse



EDIT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1141105/Were-raising-GM-goats-make-human-breast-milk-say-Russians.html



ps I am an atheist
 (I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:40, Reply)
This is a normal post ...
Abomination by what standard? What, precisely, is so wrong with "cybrids"? Or is this just a knee-jerk "yuk" factor? (Note that, genetically, we're rather closely related already...)

Yes, there might be a problem with destructor genes. Then again, there might not. There's no such thing as a good or bad gene; it all depends on how it's used and in what context.

You'd really rather see mass starvation than GM food? REALLY? Tell that to the huddled masses of Africa and Asia.

What do you mean by "natural" resources, by the way? "Natural" as in factory-farmed? As in living in houses? Given that humans are part of nature, how is it possible not to be natural? And why would that be a moral problem anyway? Alternatively, if you're going to condemn GM technology as unnatural, shouldn't you also be condemning farming and house-dwelling as unnatural?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:47, Reply)
This is a normal post and as for your update...
... So what if goats make human milk? If a woman can't, and granted that human milk is a good thing to provide, why not goats, or machines, or anything else?

From this point of view, the breast is just a nutrient-making machine. If you can get the same nutrient "artificially", then what's the problem?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:49, Reply)
This is a normal post I am a firm believer in evolution and survival of the fittest
And fully accept that means that unfit individuals do not survive (however sad that may be)
The biggest problem with GM technology is the malicious (or accidental) manufacture of harmfull organisms capable of great harm.
Imagine the flu virus being GM combined with the AIDS virus, the more GM technology is used and advanced the more liklihood of a disasterous "accident"
 (I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:07, Reply)
This is a normal post But that's utterly idiotic
It's a bit like saying that it's OK not to rescue a child who's about to drown and whom you could save easily, and trying to say that her lack of gills is what makes it OK. It's complete nonsense.

"Unfitness" in your slightly sinister understanding is not a reason not to assist.

As for your second point - it's trite. In effect, what you're saying is that it's problematic to do problematic stuff. Woo-hoo. What's your evidence about the likelihood of a disaster? Is making nutritionally-enhanced golden rice a disaster?

And, either way, if there is such a disaster, by the lights of your first point, you ought to be indifferent, because we're obviously not fit to survive it.

You're making Ayn Rand look sensible.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:16, Reply)
This is a normal post I don't see what that adds.
There was a fuck up here, by the looks of it. But to think that that tells you anything about GM in abstracto is a bit like thinking that a road accident tells you that using a car is wrong.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:33, Reply)
This is a normal post That's nice.
Lets hope you never have any kids who develop diabetes or anything.
 (symbiotic_alien is running on empty..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:24, Reply)
This is a normal post Viruses have been sticking bits of DNA in other creatures for millenia
But that's okay because we didn't do it?

Edit - though I do agree that the human population is a big problem, but letting people starve is not the way forward - it will lead to instability, radicalisation and wars, rather than leading to the realisation the 2 children per couple is the only sustainable birth rate.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:01, Reply)
This is a normal post I fully accept your point about viruses (Genes were often damaged by chemicals and radiation as well)
But when this happened in the past it was only small local populations that were wiped out.If/when it happens now it causes worldwide problems due to modern transport, consider the worldwide flu epidemic at the end of WW2 (spread by returning soldiers)
 (I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Is this supposed to be a demonstration of your well-thought-out objection?
If so, it doesn't impress. You've got the wrong war.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 14:18, Reply)
This is a normal post wha?!
"I think that destuctor genes in GM food crops is a means to make more money for the seed companies"

um, no.
it's to prevent the GM stuff from breeding with the natural plantlife, which is an extremely important safety measure.

the seed companies might be gaining from this but it is an absolutely vital safety precaution for many, many reasons.
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:33, Reply)
This is a normal post well said
terminator seeds
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:23, Reply)
This is a normal post So you would rather have GM plants that are capable of seeding themselves into the wild?
GM plants could reduce our reliance on pesticides, increase biodiversity, improve yields, allow good crops to be grown in presently sterile soils...

Do you realise that Southern Africa's maize production is estimated to drop by 30% in the next 20 years? If we have crops, GM or otherwise, that can cope with the changing climate, then we need to use them.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:28, Reply)
This is a normal post blimey where do I start
1.study shows GM crops 'no better'
www.guardian.co.uk/environment/1999/jul/08/food.gm

2. Loss of farmers access to plant material and it encourages dependancy of small farnmers on large Agri Corps (who put profit before health and couldn't give a toss about feeding the hungry unless there was a buck to be made) - witness the Inian farmers committing suicide as a result

3. no long term studies on effects of human health

4, Genes can mutate with harmful effect

5. the problem of food production like alot of things in africa is down to miss management, under funding and corruption - you do not need GM food to solve this

and 6. a BIG point
run for profit organisations holding Intellectual property rights on food production!!
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:41, Reply)
This is a normal post Very quick point...
... A couple of months ago, weren't you decrying a law in America that you alleged undermined IP protection? That being the case, you seem to have changed your tune quite a bit...

The point is that, if we overhaul IP law internationally - and very few IP lawyers think that the system works, by the way - then that'd solve the problems with points 2 and 5.

As for 3, well - OK. Ignorance is no reason not to proceed though. There is also no reason to suspect that there would be harmful consequence.
4 - well, yes. That applies in nature, too. I don't see how taking control of genes makes that danger worse.

I can't be arsed with going into more detail. Work to do.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:53, Reply)
This is a normal post I would rather have no GM products at all
The answer for S.A. is to stop their population explosion by birth controll
 (I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:44, Reply)
This is a normal post that's all jolly good and all
but if we stop using GM crops tomorrow we'll have real problems within a year or two, while your little birth controll idea won't give results within the next 80 years when a large enough chunk of the population has died off.
what are we going to do during that time?
any ideas?


not a single fucking one of the plants that we grow and eat now looked like that when people found them and started growing them.
We've been messing with our crop plants for a good few thousand years now. GM is just a faster way of doing it.
 (I helped save b3ta! The little pink animal is mostly harmless, except on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:41, Reply)
This is a normal post
what bollocks is this?

its not like you have a vested interst in it - like your a micro biologist..oh wait

also:www.guardian.co.uk/environment/1999/jul/08/food.gm


food shortages and production is a more complex issue having roots in mismanagement and politics that 'overpopulation'

for exanmple the north west african famine has more to do with the civil war and inability for the population to plant its harvest - (which is making it harder for them to deal with the drough) - trhe politics and corruption and poverty (selling off of national assets to foreign multi nationals as a prerequisite of deals with IMF loans) ar e all more serious factors than numbers of people

introducting more dependancy on the western multi-nationals is most certainly not the way to go for these people and neither is run for profit organisations holding Intellectual property rights on their food production
 (The Goat www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:36, Reply)
This is a normal post That was boring

(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Is it Friday?

(socynicalsohip, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:53, Reply)
This is a normal post fuck me
that was a long discussion.

well done.
 (I helped save b3ta! null and void, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 18:31, Reply)
This is a normal post just wanted to join in
and not feel left out...


/late again blog
 (I helped save b3ta! Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 21:27, Reply)
This is a link post New Hubble Pics
Now Im a bit shit at astro physics, well just plain physics really, picture 9 shows a galaxy 320 Million light years away. Does that mean that that picture of that galaxy is as it was 320 million years ago, do to the amount of time it would have taken for the light from it to reach the telescope?

My brain hurts as I havnt been to sleep last night. Someone stroke it better please?
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:48, Reply)
This is a normal post ive been watching far too many science programmes
i know nothing ofcoarse, but one of them mentions two galaxies coliding, which began 500 million years ago, and the first thought that popped into my head was.. "ooh thats not that long ago int he scheme of things"

strange thought thats all..
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Ha ha ha!
Relativity FTW :D
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:52, Reply)
This is a normal post I think it does in theory, yeah.
A light year is a unit of distance, which is how far a beam of light travels, in a vacuum in a year. Distance wise, it is a mentally far thing! Something like 9 trillion kilometres or something!

Ace photos :D


EDIT: It is all an elaborate hoax though to confound the creationists ;)
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Haw haw haw! I am a PRANKSTER god!

(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:09, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes.

(I helped save b3ta! Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly
When you look at the sun you're seeing it as it was 8 minutes ago.

Similarly you see the moon as it was about one and a half seconds ago.

Astrophysics is fun like that...
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:58, Reply)
This is a normal post Why haven't you been to sleep?
Thats very silly.
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:59, Reply)
This is a normal post I am pretty messed up sleep pattern wise
I can be up for 48 hours and then sleep for 30 odd. I have brain chemical issues. Im off to walk the doggies now and then hopefully I will feel like a nap :)
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:33, Reply)
This is a normal post No 2 Goatse FTW

(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:08, Reply)
This is a normal post You're right.
However, distances like 320 million light years are so insanely hypothalamus-shatteringly eyeball-explodingly enormously huge that I prefer to live in ignorance and just think of it as "happening now".

hubblesite.org/gallery/album/entire/hires/true/
 (I helped save b3ta! admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah I have that view as well
I find it fascinating but as Monty Python so rightly said, "Makes you feel sort of insignificant really" before removing your liver without an anasthetic.
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:00, Reply)
This is a normal post This is another baffling thought ive never got right in my head
If the sun suddenly went out, do we get the effects of that immediately or in 9 minutes?

Likewise if something catastrophic happened to a galaxy a couple of million light years away, does it take that couple of million years before we feel the effects here or are we generally fucked at the point of said catastrophic event?

Christ Im not even stoned!!!
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:04, Reply)
This is a normal post ...
If the Sun stopped shining now it would still appear to be shining for eight-ish minutes. Same with a more distant event, if something (say a supernova) is observed today in a star 50 light years away, the event took place fifty years ago.
 (I helped save b3ta! lion-cake Bad lion-cake, bad., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:23, Reply)
This is a normal post So what your saying is
we would continue to receive radiation from the sun until the 8 minute period was over and then we would all turn to blocks of ice. Similarly if a catastrophic event happened say 2000 light years away and therefore through our telescopes 2000 years ago we wouldnt feel any reaction to said event until the light reached us?
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I may be wrong here,
but I think that yes, we would still see the light for 8 minutes, but the gravitational effect would be felt immediately?
 (I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:01, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah thats what Im wondering
So if gravity is an ever present force instantly exerting itself upon everything around it wouldnt that cause anomalies between what we see in the vast distance many millions of light years away and what is actually out there given that old stars may no longer be there, even though we can see them in the past with our telescopes.

I tried to read a brief history of time twice and failed both times.
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:25, Reply)
This is a normal post yes
assuming the speed of light has indeed remained constant over the past 320 million years. There's some evidence it has not.

Or you can believe that God not only created those stars 320 million light years away, but also created the light IN TRANSIT to earth at the same time.
 (I helped save b3ta! Foxglove -- it all ends in tears anyway..., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:39, Reply)
This is a link post Recurring Goatse...
I'm sure this logo has featured in the newsletter before but I'm more interested in the pic of the bloke in the sunglasses... he's goatse-ing a goatse. -world implodes-
 (fla383 hasn't taken his medication since, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:41, Reply)
This is a normal post I am disappointed by what a toastmaster is :(

(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:46, Reply)
This is a link post Kraftwurst was on Attack Of The Show I made this!


Attack Of The Show did a lovely segment in honour of our sausagey tribute to Kraftwerk. Here it is! Lovely!
 (I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Lovely stuff
Clicketty click!
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:34, Reply)
This is a normal post I would say top banana ....
but 'top sausage' would be more appropriate :D
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:39, Reply)
This is a normal post why yes it would!
i might invent a bananeat (or meatana)- a banana skin which conytains cooked sausage meat. that would make for an easily transportable meaty treat. convenient to eat, too.
 (I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:41, Reply)
This is a normal post *drools* - stop now, you're making me hungry :)

(mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:43, Reply)
This is a normal post SCIENCE!
*telephones Ray Comfort*
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Now that I would buy!

(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Is there anything that meat cant do? :)

(I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:49, Reply)
This is a normal post no
meat, meat can do anything, meat is our saviour, meat saves the world
 (I helped save b3ta! crab_bloke), Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Now go and write a new song to that effect!

(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:14, Reply)
This is a normal post Isn't that called a Pepperami???

(I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:00, Reply)
This is a normal post ahhhahah.
MEAT THEREMIN
 (I helped save b3ta! Master Of Turnips. Only gays and morons believe in ghosts., Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:49, Reply)
This is a normal post What was number 1 in their chart?
I need to know!
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:24, Reply)
This is a link post Magnetic Movie
By Ruth Jarman and Joe Gerhardt shot at the NASA Space Sciences Laboratory.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:11, Reply)
This is a normal post saw this last year at some point.. stoned of my tits
Tis rather special..
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:17, Reply)
This is a normal post *fails to understand*
But lovely, either way.

Woo!
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:22, Reply)
This is a normal post me 2 :(

(I helped save b3ta! awallafashagba Da da da da da Dah dah, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 15:22, Reply)
This is a normal post awesome
*clicks*

I've seen the short versions of this, but this one is much better as at least it explains what's going on there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:18, Reply)
This is a normal post I think I am now in a trance.

(I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Why is this not the front page of all the papers today?
Why is it still the latest update on Jade Goody?

Honestly its not like its kicking off in N Ireland again or anything else remotely newsworthy!!

I think we should have a b3ta day of mourning for Francis Rossis pony tail. :(
 (I helped save b3ta! lord turkey boy and the cleft of venus, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Noooooooooooooo!!!
First Tom Jones stops dying his hair, now this? Next thing Ozzy's going to get his tats lasered off and a short back and sides!

STOP TRYING TO GROW OLD GRACEFULLY FFS!
 (I helped save b3ta! barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:30, Reply)
This is a normal post This is indeed an earth shattering event
I will pray for his ponytail
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Ebay

(meat2veg hello!, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:51, Reply)
This is a normal post bah
b3ta.com/links/288218
 (I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:40, Reply)
This is a normal post You're doing it wrong
:)
 (I helped save b3ta! t0ria has forgotten how this all works, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:04, Reply)
This is a normal post i was trying not fill the board up with stuff
didn't know whether it warranted its own thread
 (I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 13:13, Reply)
This is a normal post "Short back and sides Mr Rossi? Or would you prefer a flat-top?"
"Whatever you want, whatever you like..."

*The denim wasitcoat, please*
 (Flobbit gave you the horn on, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:41, Reply)
This is a normal post and, at the end, when it's done
"i'll just show you the back in the mirror, mr rossi. is it ok?"
"i like it! i like it! i like it! i like it! i la la la like it..."
 (I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 12:46, Reply)
This is a link post LE POOP I made this!
Little House on the Prairie cut up and mangled.
(I helped save b3ta! c_kick or, as some people call him, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:07, Reply)
This is a normal post I like this

(I helped save b3ta! Boris Johnson's Press Secretary, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 11:12, Reply)

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