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# Have this....
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:48, archived)
# hahahaha
fuck, i've been on here for more than 11 hours. time to turn the 'puter off, i think.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:50, archived)
# 11 hours? Thats going some.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:56, archived)
# weather's bad
fuck all else to do.
however, i now have booze and die hard is about to start, so it's comfy film time :)
g'night all!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:00, archived)
# DIE HARD!!! Now there is an infographic in there somewhere.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:04, archived)
# Weather was bloody hot today down here
'night Smash!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:06, archived)
# hehehe
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:54, archived)
# haha
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:57, archived)
# Hahaha
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:00, archived)
# The unexpected Freshness at the end makes this :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:08, archived)
# :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:09, archived)
# Do you feel lucky... Punk?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:23, archived)
# hahaha *chooses 3*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:25, archived)
# the gradient hair project
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:35, archived)
# hahahah!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:12, archived)
# Hahaha.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:39, archived)
# =)))
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:07, archived)
# FRESH!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:58, archived)
# No photo-shoppery, no animation, just my cousin's luxuriant beard performing as an excellent ad-hoc disguise.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:18, archived)
# :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:19, archived)
# is your cousin's name it?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:20, archived)
# um
No,were not that family.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:25, archived)
# pity
they're rich
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:29, archived)
# keep your chin up
*edit: -__-
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:22, archived)
# hah ZZ TOP
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:24, archived)
# That's some serious beardage!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:25, archived)
# Well, your cousin is very well known despite his disguise
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:28, archived)
# balls
My bad.Put it down to face-book taggery( I thought it was him for he do have a luxuriant red beard)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:31, archived)
# I wouldn't trust anyone on facebook to be who they claim to be
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:43, archived)
# indeedy
this really is him though.( he is a bit zz toppy)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:45, archived)
# This I can believe
Tineye says this disguise is very effective
www.tineye.com/search/0a9a432585722eaaceee4fcac273b18d13d2fc69/
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:50, archived)
#
Does 'tinyeye' work the way I think it works?
*checks* it's just given me 11 results for a picture I drew meself.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:55, archived)
# If you point it to the web address of an image
it searches its database for any pictures of any size that have similar patterns or similar colours, but its database is only 2 billion images and it sometimes makes mistakes


it doesnt mean that the first photo is not your cousin, just that the photo of whoever it is is all over the internet


edit2 The picture you did yourself has probably been pinched by others, they maybe fans or they may be leeches who need to be hunted down and killed sued for every penny they've got
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:02, archived)
# Still
Handy though. * begins hunting photo-nabbers*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:05, archived)
#
Luxuriant beard Wispy fluff.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:57, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:06, archived)
# That is NOT a friendly-looking beard
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:11, archived)
# Bus.
Ted.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:48, archived)
# DETECTIVE TINEYE SOLVES THE CASE YET AGAIN!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:34, archived)
# Chief Inspector Tineye, I think you'll find
of the YARD
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:13, archived)
# Elemental, my dear Watson
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:19, archived)
# Created in Paint.net for irony's sake
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:15, archived)
# Ba-dum!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:16, archived)
# Sorry, I don't get it
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:37, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:15, archived)
# treat :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:17, archived)
# Hurrah, it'll soon be annoying small people knocking at the door and asking for sweets night.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:27, archived)
# that cat is giving me the fear
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:29, archived)
# I love Halloween :D
This year I'm attempting to make a costume of Thomas Bangalter from Daft Punk.

images.wikia.com/daftpunk/images/c/c8/44839-thomas_bangalter.jpg
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:32, archived)
# Buy it
Use it
Fix it
Break it
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:10, archived)
# Touch it
Bring it
Pay it
Watch it
Turn it
Leave it
Hurriedly slap it together two days before the party.

Got no logic.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:11, archived)
# cool
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:15, archived)
# brill
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:35, archived)
# Oh, bollocks
That reminds me that I'll even be in Britain this Halloween. That was stupid of me.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:37, archived)
# \o/
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:39, archived)
# Hooray for autumn!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:44, archived)
# Nicely:D
Woo for Halloween
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:02, archived)
# Woo
..but MEH to halloween!

Samhuinn, if you please. And put those pumpkins away, get yer neeps oot
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:14, archived)
# yay woo!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:25, archived)
# :3 :>) {: |)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:56, archived)
# heh heh :D
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 5:09, archived)
# Sorry just wanted to do something.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:43, archived)
# Perfect tribute I'm sure he'd have loved this
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:45, archived)
# that's much better!
now Minnie The Moocher is lodged in my head :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:46, archived)
# :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:49, archived)
# AWESOME!
*Clicks*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:47, archived)
# Excellent!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:48, archived)
# haha...totally in the spirit of Valin
*click
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:49, archived)
# ^This
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:03, archived)
# Superb! Love this and so would he :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:53, archived)
# that's excellent, pop it in the tribute thread on the front page too :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:56, archived)
# dundid :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:01, archived)
# Twice the fun!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:58, archived)
# Being an infrequent visitor
to b3ta these days it has come as some surprise to learn of Valin's passing.
I remember him arriving. We had some heartfelt chats.
Sad news.

too much loss for me this week. Not been a good one.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:13, archived)
# That^
He was nice guy here and always had a nice word to say, never had a flounce, never got caught up in the crossfire of flaming or trolling; just posted his mentalist stuff.

An example at the end of the day; I guess he got all his fireworks and flame over and done with when he served, and frequented this place to chill out and have a laugh
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:22, archived)
# He was one of the first to say "welcome. You'll never leave" when I joined
:(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:24, archived)
# I really like this
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:15, archived)
# Everybody, needs somebody.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:35, archived)
# Great stuff.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:56, archived)
# Ha
Very nicely. Have a clickety
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:26, archived)
# Wowsers
Lovely
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:27, archived)
[challenge entry] Phone God!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:17, archived)
# thanks
now i'm going to have A Spaceman Came Travelling stuck in my head all night :(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:22, archived)
# I'm sorry, I wouldn't deliberately inflict that on anybody.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:35, archived)
# i should think not
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:36, archived)
# And it went "Na na na na, na na na na na na! Na na na na na na na...."
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:38, archived)
# How old are you 19 my arse!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:38, archived)
# he's 19 and a bit
it's the bit that's scary

from the DAWN OF TIME
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:49, archived)
# Chris de Burgh's music is timeless
and speaks to all generations.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:16, archived)
# stop that. right now.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:43, archived)
# I can go one better *clunk* di dii di di dii diiidididi NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:50, archived)
# you're going the right way for a smacked bottom
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:52, archived)
# crikey!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:54, archived)
# that is utterly childish
i laughed, of course ;)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:56, archived)
# this is still my favourite though

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:00, archived)
# daddyhole or chips?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:02, archived)
# first one, then the other
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:02, archived)
# of course
you're bound to be hungry afterwards
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:09, archived)
# Torquay!
I stayed in that road in August
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:24, archived)
# What's Chris de Burgh's favourite fruit?
"Banananananananana, bananananananana...."
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:18, archived)
# i must admit
i do rather like Spanish Train
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:21, archived)
# Although, thanks to your comment,
I'm going to have A Spaceman Came Travelling stuck in my head all night, too.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:39, archived)
# if i have to suffer, so do you
fortunately, i've just bought a bottle of forget juice.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:43, archived)
# *Points to stigmata* ooouuch
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:39, archived)
# Elliot's got a bit of a proto Freebase expression going on there
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:47, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:50, archived)
# Hahaha!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:58, archived)
# Ha ha ha, FUCK.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 22:14, archived)
# Fuck
*does a little wee*
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 0:54, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:01, archived)
# Pffft.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:28, archived)
# god = dog
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:32, archived)
# haha
i hope he doesnt turn guns into walkie talkies
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:36, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:15, archived)
# WHITE SPACE PARTY!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:16, archived)
#
That's the back of the sleeve
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:18, archived)
# Racist!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:22, archived)
# is that like a stormtroopers birthday?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:18, archived)
# It's a social networking site for the Ku Klux Klan.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:19, archived)
# Executives on the moon.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:25, archived)
# A birthday party at Apple HQ.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:32, archived)
# A snow-themed prom on Hoth.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:35, archived)
# An engrish Myspace profile.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:40, archived)
# 4 re-L
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:18, archived)
# ain't no party like a white space party
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:24, archived)
# Afternoon, all.


Yes, I am no longer a teenager as of today; should be out getting pissed, but, well, work to do. Besides, that can wait till tomorrow. :P
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:41, archived)
# Happy Birthday
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:42, archived)
# Thank you! :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:46, archived)
# Get your priorities straight.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:42, archived)
# Oh don't you worry, I'll more than make up for it tomorrow!
Besides, I've already been out on the piss twice this weekend :) I'll drink to the end of this project, it's fucking AWFUL.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:45, archived)
# happy birthday, drunken foxypants!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:43, archived)
# Thanks! I will become Drunken Foxypants tomorrow, all being well. :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:46, archived)
# i shall be Drunken Monkeypants all weekend :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:47, archived)
# Nicely :D
I'll try and be out this weekend too, fuck knows I need it.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:00, archived)
# i decided on the traditional birthday option:
having a party and getting utterly twatted :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:04, archived)
# Best way to do it, I find :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:18, archived)
# indeed
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:38, archived)
# Happy birthday, you old person!
I'm still only 19 (and a bit).
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:46, archived)
# *feels. so. old.*
Happy Real Birthday Foxy
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:47, archived)
# Damn you!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:50, archived)
# It is indeed a rarity to find people younger than myself on here.
I thought most of b3ta would be around the 30-40 mark.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:53, archived)
# i still cling to the fact
that i'm a couple of years away from 40
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:58, archived)
# me too
but in the wrong direction :(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:01, archived)
# heheheh
37 saturday
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:04, archived)
# In case I forget/too late/too early
Happy birthday!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:05, archived)
# ta!
doubt i'll be around much on my birthday anyway
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:07, archived)
# damned youngsters
I'm 3 years older, so 29 again on saturday :p
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:33, archived)
# pfff
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:40, archived)
# YOU CRAZY KIDS!
/older yet
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:52, archived)
# it's the bit that's old
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:35, archived)
# it's not old, it just looks old
what with all the wrinkliness
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:42, archived)
# Sure and I'm a 16 year old Japanese girl...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:09, archived)
# Moggy? Is that you?!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:18, archived)
# Happy birthday youngling
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:50, archived)
# Happy Birthday, Mr Fox!
Ahhh, would that I were 20 again!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:52, archived)
# I plan to do something big for my 21st.
I'd rather like going to the states for a bit; I was in New York about 2 years ago, was ace :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:54, archived)
# Never been :(
And I'm still bitter as I had massive exams (finals) on my 21st. Bah, humbug. I can, however, recommend Buenos Aires :D New York sounds awesome, though.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:56, archived)
# Uni work is the reason I'm not out on the piss tonight :( will be tomorrow, like.
And I've heard good things about Buenos Aires, it definitely looks nice :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:59, archived)
# Yeah, beautiful city, nice people and yummy empanadas
Nomnonmonmnonmomnomnonmomn. And the red wine there is something else. Oh and the steak.. *drowns in drool*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:01, archived)
# Whereas in New York, I discovered the wonder of super size McDonald's...
...which I later regretted. =_= I was not kind to my body at all in the time I spent there.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:03, archived)
# D'oh!
I managed to combine my gastronomical overload with a month's backpacking and a case of the squits (mmm) so actually came back skinnier and oddly fitter. That was a strange trip.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:06, archived)
# I can't think if the trip to New York did anything for me...
apart from not taking the fact that I'm British for granted. Every shop I went in, I was greeted by 'merkins saying "Oh mah gawd I love your accent!"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:17, archived)
# haha, I could do with an ego trip like that
might just book a ticket...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:37, archived)
# It's definitely worth it, just for the people alone.
When you see New York in films, like buddy cop films etc...

New York is EXACTLY like that.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:41, archived)
# no longer a teenager.
God that makes me feel old
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:53, archived)
# Happy Real Birthday BF!
Did you like your pic this morning?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:10, archived)
# Thanks! And yes I did, thank you :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:13, archived)
# don't forget
my birthday and jeff goldblum's birthday on saturday
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:56, archived)
# It's all downhill from 21
take advantage of it while you can

:)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:34, archived)
# That's a bright vision of the future :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:06, archived)
# yes!
I like to think so.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:28, archived)
# Happy Birthday!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:13, archived)
# CANDLES *
* real ones

now go get slaughtered!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:21, archived)
# HappyBirthday!! :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:10, archived)
# Happy Birthday :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:12, archived)
# Alternative to the Mischa X factor pic that's doing the rounds
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:09, archived)
# the fuck is 'X factor'?
or 'Mischa', for that matter?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:13, archived)
# what am I looking at?
it looks like a walking Quality Street
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:13, archived)
# b3tan to it
the big purple one with nuts in
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:14, archived)
# haha
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:30, archived)
# That...
is the first thing I said too.

Lass can't half perform tho!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:31, archived)
# Indeed, and a unique dress sense!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:34, archived)
# One assumes at this stage
she doesn't get much say in that!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:15, archived)
# a thang
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:19, archived)
# The orginal image, i admit, never funny when you have to explain!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:21, archived)
# Mabel?
Quality.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:59, archived)
# Looks like a Gary Glitter from an alternate dimension or something.... Otherwise I have no idea what is going on...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:22, archived)
# This
needs Guy Goma-ing

but it's teatime and I'm too lazy to fire up Gimp.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:34, archived)
[challenge entry] :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:46, archived)
# hebarrbru? ris
arf!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:48, archived)
# Enough already!
wooo
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:48, archived)
# jesus can dew
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:49, archived)
# made in galilee from girders
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:51, archived)
# Hahaha
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:02, archived)
# Woo! Is there a disclaimer on the back;
*Warning: May spontaneously turn into fortified wine.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:53, archived)
# Hahahaha
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:55, archived)
# Now do a can of Mountain Jew :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:55, archived)
# Drinks like that are far too hassidic for me.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:58, archived)
# Haha
Mountain Jew, made from the blood of Isaac
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:00, archived)
# Nicely
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:02, archived)
# Hai XLVII!!
:) and ta :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:05, archived)
# Oh Hai Ninj!!
*waves camply*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:08, archived)
# *Waves camply back*
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:12, archived)
# Hahahahah! "Better than vinegar on a sponge!"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:22, archived)
# The chosen beer!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:06, archived)
# I have tasted HeBrew at a beer festival
not bad, not great...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:03, archived)
# heheh
gets a click
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:43, archived)
#
Nicely
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:13, archived)
# JESUS JUICE!
Shamone!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:29, archived)
# Having more dealings with this department of idiots than anyone with a painful bad leg should have to put up with...

(Finished with my xbox360 copy of this btw, having played through it twice. Anybody wanna swap it for something reasonably recent and good? giz a GAZ)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:34, archived)
# don't fucking talk to me about sick notes >:(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:43, archived)
# You skived off work to play a game and now your complaining because work wont pay you.
AICMFP
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:44, archived)
# Hey, I was only playing it in the evening!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:45, archived)
# british evening time
...then US ... then asian ...then western european

etc
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:29, archived)
# That man-flu is augmented
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:47, archived)
# Back to level 1.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:51, archived)
# Orange hair, scary eyes

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:07, archived)
# You only find her eyes scary?
What about that mouth? Damn it!
:D


(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:08, archived)
# She reminds me of Mary Portas, apart from the nose. Portas has more of a hooter.
Would, of course.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:10, archived)
# Maryportasnout!
Sorry!

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:19, archived)
# She can restructure my retail business any time
If you know what I mean
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:23, archived)
# Arf!
:D

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:25, archived)
# Bet she could suck a golfball through a hosepipe with that mouth!!
WOO :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:13, archived)
# Scariness of mouth > scariness of eyes
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:16, archived)
# I like to see a bit of upper gum when a woman smiles.
Meg Ryan was a good example of this before she had her lips done. Bad example: horse.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:24, archived)
# well I think she's quite endearing :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:18, archived)
# she's thinking "you'd look great stuffed and mounted next to my teddy bear collection"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:18, archived)
# On the face of it,
not that bad a way to go...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:23, archived)
# i'm not fond of teddy bears
and dolls can fuck right off
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:25, archived)
# Ah, you're more of a "My Little Pony" kinda gal
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:43, archived)
# nope
books and board games. when my sisters had posters of pop stars on their walls, i had freddy krueger posters
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:44, archived)
# O_O


Now with less humanism.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:44, archived)
# much better!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:06, archived)
# I can't draw
but I can make things look fucked up!

which, after all, isn't this the dream of every small child, ant, and midget as they gaze up to the starlit sky and ponder that they can't remember if they left the iron on.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:08, archived)
# *wells up*
you're so right!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:14, archived)
# She looks a bit detached but is stil SHWING worthy
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:48, archived)
# scary eyes, scary lips, scary hair, scary blouse, scary background
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:51, archived)
# fears the ginge
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:55, archived)
# is it cos ginge is mental?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:03, archived)
# minge is gental
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:06, archived)
# Boat cossack gimbal lock?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:11, archived)
# yes please
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:48, archived)
# Davina?
Nice work as always!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:56, archived)
# run lola run?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:38, archived)
# Orange hair, scary eyes...
and big tits. Would.
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 11:06, archived)
# ...and I say, "Rock On!"
"Rock On!"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:04, archived)
# this is fantastic
and makes me want to play monopoly
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:06, archived)
# Wow, 1980s stylee!
1980s stylee!Top work.
:D

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:07, archived)
# super
woo
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:08, archived)
# *ten minute guitar solos*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:09, archived)
# Very good sir.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:09, archived)
# Super stuff......
I'v only just got back here and only just found out.....
To say I'm gutted is an understatement....
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:15, archived)
# I meant to do this when he was alive, and I kept putting it off.
Sometimes you take people for granted. You think they will always be there. Then reality happens.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:41, archived)
# I'v been off line without a conection....
And kept thinking, I'll give him a gaz to see how he's going when I get back, hoping his treatment was going ok for him,logged in today with that on my mind..... fuck me....
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:54, archived)
# Here's the last email I got from him (poor guy was in some serious pain):
Yo atomic ! My back's been killin' me ! I can't sit still long enough to make anything . . . Even if I sit long enough to look at stuff I get the PAINS! I go in for a MRI soon to see how bad it is.

I slipped my diso ♪ Keep up the good work! I'v seen some of your latest Artz and think that they're GREAT!

I'll be back in the back when my back gets back !

V
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:59, archived)
# :)
mental to the end!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:08, archived)
# Hello ;-)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:12, archived)
# hello!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:15, archived)
# How's mish Monkey penny?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:18, archived)
# grand!
payday tomorrow, getting my tats on wednesday, housework thursday, cinema friday, party saturday and recovery sunday!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:19, archived)
# Yay... sounds good.....
I'v not been here... what's this about tattoos?
What you getting?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:22, archived)
# angel on my left shoulder, devil on my right
a la cartoon decision making
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:26, archived)
# Sounds good......
Profile some piccys when they're healed....
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:30, archived)
# i will!
just hope my neck heals before the party
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:31, archived)
# How did you burn your neck?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:35, archived)
# i was attacked
by a bowl of lentil soup
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:38, archived)
# I offer my sympathy....
My foot was once attacked by a beef cassarole, straight from the oven...!!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:44, archived)
# there was a huge blister
but it popped, leaving slight crunchiness and a red mark that's been there for 3 days :(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:46, archived)
# Well if that's not garanteed to pull al the blokes at saturdays party?
I don't know what else will...!!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:49, archived)
# it's my birthday party
i'll be mashed off my tits anyway!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:57, archived)
# Yay... is saturday the big day?
I'll dig out the double white album and play birthday....!!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:01, archived)
# yes it is!
37 years old. same day as jeff goldblum's birthday, too ;)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:03, archived)
# You young whipper snapper ;-)
Hope the thing on you neck doesn't mean you're turning into a fly..!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:06, archived)
# i doubt it
i have rather low tolerance to sugar
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:08, archived)
# Well if you start to trow up on your guests and trying to eat them....
I'd call an ambulance...!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:11, archived)
# heheheh
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:24, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:27, archived)
# bit hardcore for me
although i am considering a trailing ivy up my back
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:29, archived)
# Haha.....
I'd like to know what he has on his front.... with the bloke that's lying down expression...!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:34, archived)
# Haha...... I think the only thing we know for certain is....
that the mutant growing out of his stomach, has got a serious case of anorexia..!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:42, archived)
# I'm guessing he has more bones below the belt.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:47, archived)
# You can never have to much Coo Lice !
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:56, archived)
# Poor bastard. just wish I'd made more of an effort to contact him sooner....
He was a great guy...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:10, archived)
# Ooo Halen!
Top tributing there...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:15, archived)
# Ah... that's what it is.
I was thinking ZZ Top.
:D

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:23, archived)
# love
ly
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:24, archived)
# Thanks! o/
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:10, archived)
# superb
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:42, archived)
# Nicely
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:15, archived)
[challenge entry]

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:01, archived)
# Ha ha ha ha!
What a bastard.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:03, archived)
# ffs Jesus was it necessary to cut Flan's head off!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:04, archived)
# pfff
am i a headwrong for expecting to see chinese cockle pickers?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:06, archived)
# There's a tongue twister in there somewhere.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:12, archived)
# i said cockle pickers, not pheasant pluckers
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:12, archived)
# Don't worry, regarding bad jokes, there's Morecambeing
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:40, archived)
# oof!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:43, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:44, archived)
# that's what i love about this place
i'm not the sickest fucker here! :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:50, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:07, archived)
# Haahhahaha!
:D

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:10, archived)
# "Apocalypse Now : The Meme Cut"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:41, archived)
# The horror!
The horror...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:27, archived)
# :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:16, archived)
# Noob question
Nooby here. Who are those 2 fellas? What meme are they from?
(, Wed 19 Oct 2011, 6:24, archived)
# flanbase at the front
freebase at the back.

their pictures were taken from some weightlifting/gym training photo collection ages ago.

Freebase's real name is Jeremy E Jones. More info about him here: b3ta.com/board/10293874
Flanbase's real name is Rodney Walker and works for Crossfit, just like Freebase, i'm not sure of his first b3ta appearance
(, Wed 19 Oct 2011, 15:16, archived)
# Top reflection action.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:56, archived)
# hahahaha
just sprayed supernoodles across the laptop :(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:48, archived)
# Yes!
The day Flanbase got to the front page!
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 14:12, archived)
# Flanbase on the fp!
Freebase a few weeks ago.
AS FORETOLD IN THE PROPHESY.
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 16:45, archived)
# this wins
and wins extra for flan being getting an fp
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 22:57, archived)
# Fucking...
brilliant!
(, Wed 19 Oct 2011, 13:52, archived)
# FB on the FP!
nicely done :D

IMO he is more miraculous than Jesus as he makes no ripples on the water's surface.
(, Wed 19 Oct 2011, 15:18, archived)
# What you talking 'bout?
*whistles innocently*
:D

(, Wed 19 Oct 2011, 15:49, archived)
# NINJA!
looks really fucking good now actually
(, Wed 19 Oct 2011, 21:41, archived)
# :D
(, Thu 20 Oct 2011, 2:17, archived)
# i'm in a silly mood
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:44, archived)
# Bastard Chips!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:45, archived)
# aren't they?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:47, archived)
# It's their delicious golden tasty fattiness that makes them bastards every last one nom nom nom
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:52, archived)
# and the fact that i can't eat them
not even the crinkle-cut ones, that go so well with a bit of salad cream
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:54, archived)
# I perfer mayonnaise like the Belgians do
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:59, archived)
# mmmm, yes
or even some soy sauce
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:02, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:49, archived)
# compelling
but again, carved at best 14 years after the supposed events. i could write something now that says i grew wings out of my armpits. it wouldn't be true, but if i could get enough people to corroborate it, how long would it take for others to believe it?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:53, archived)
# let's be fair though,
you could dismiss most of ancient history with this kind of argument. The thing here though is that it wasn't carved by Jesus's followers. It says it's dated to 41AD which is 11 years later not 14, and that's only one person's dating, I don't know where you get "at best" from.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:59, archived)
# my mistake
i was going from 00AD, not 33AD as i should have. i'm perfectly willing to agree that i could be dead wrong on this, but i am naturally skeptical and require some very definite proof where absolute belief is expected of me
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:05, archived)
# the problem is that any evidence from a contemporary secular source,
if fortune has preserved it in existence, is likely drowned out by the background noise. As mentioned below, grave-robbing (which is how a secular source would have interpreted it) was hardly a novelty.

We didn't uncover physical evidence of Pontius Pilate until 1961, and he was a Roman Governor. How much less can we expect something from the life of a Messianic preacher?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:13, archived)
# true
as i say, it requires a lot of faith and i'm not a faithful type
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:15, archived)
# I just thought I'd bring it up since you were talking about "that kind of thing" and I found it interesting.
There are also weird references in the Talmud to things that happened "forty years before the destruction of the Temple (70AD)".

Then again Christianity never claimed to rest on the validity of this kind of evidence.

(by the way there was no 0AD)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:22, archived)
# believe me
if the various religious groups can ever get together to produce a really coherent argument, which does not involve answering questions with a simple "because", i will be more than happy to listen.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:31, archived)
# when it comes to physical or textual evidence of the existence and lives of people,
I tend to listen to scholars and archaeologists rather than religious groups. Religious groups, on the whole, don't seem particularly interested in convincing anyone except their own members.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:41, archived)
# i know what you mean
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:42, archived)
# Alas, archaelogy is very bad at determining whether particular people lived
unless they were extremely powerful. It's extremely good at putting things in a proper context, though, and revealing numerous biases and inaccuracies in the written record. (Dark age history is brilliant for that...)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:44, archived)
# All irrelevant anyway.
Black Grape said Jesus was Batman. Recent Batman comics may point to this, as Batman was thrown back through time and worked his way back to the present day, he may have spent time as the son of a carpenter in Nazareth, but at night fought crime, speeding from his lair on the Batdonkey. This sounds far more plausible to me.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:21, archived)
# no that was Bruce Wayne
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:23, archived)
# i'm not basing religious beliefs on the say-so of some dusky fruit
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:33, archived)
# If you said it was caused my Monsanto and GM crops causing you to have DNA changes
and it was related to 9/11 and lizard people and that one day you found that you bicycle had been moved by Imperial Stormtrooper Jews you could probably pull a few thousand supporters with one wikipedia article.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:01, archived)
# yes, but i'm not that mental
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:09, archived)
# All it tells us is that the Romans had a problem with bodysnatchers
just as almost every other civilisation/country has.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:02, archived)
# it's odd
but i'm really not sure where i stand on the issue of bodysnatching
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:08, archived)
# I'm all for it.
Here's some interesting reading on that inscription

www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/nazarethlaw.html

"The Nazareth Inscription provides no evidence for Christianity or its claim of an empty tomb. It contains no new or unusual laws regarding graverobbing, the decree itself is not unique, and it has no references or direct links to Christianity of any kind. Moreover, it's date is most likely pre-Christian, its origin is not likely to be Nazareth, and its contents are not explainable even as a muddled imperial reaction to the theft of Jesus' body. To tie this to Christianity requires piling dozens of conjectures onto scores of speculations, and the rejection of a good supply of contrary indications and evidence, and none of this is either necessary or reasonable."
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:22, archived)
# this hardly helps any religion
over-zealous people will often try to attribute religious significance to non-related items and events, which only makes their argument falter, losing validity as it does so.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:28, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:28, archived)
# *glees*
LOVE that film!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:33, archived)
# I bought it on DVD the other day,
still yet to watch it.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:38, archived)
# i may have to get it soon
no cash this week, getting my tattoos on wednesday instead!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:40, archived)
# Yes there isn't anything specific about Jesus in this.
presuming Jesus actually existed and not just a collection of tales based on many other people parading around at the same time proclaiming to be the messiah.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:09, archived)
# Nobody worth listening to doubts Jesus actually existed.
People started proposing the Jesus as Myth hypothesis in the 19th century when they didn't have as good an understanding of things as they do now, but lay atheists of course latched onto it and still don't want to let it go.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:18, archived)
# To be fair
That's a very strong statement.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:27, archived)
# It is,
and I don't think I can emphasize it enough. Atheists aren't doing themselves any favours by repeating the dodgy conclusions of out-dated scholarship.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:33, archived)
# I'm meaning the statement that it's definitive that Jesus existed
I'd say that's a very strong statement. It's also a very strong statement to say he *didn't* exist. Personally I've seen no evidence that persuades me he did, but I won't claim he never existed, just that the persona we've had filtered down to us is almost certainly the blending of the myths of two or three people (even if one was the original core), plus a dose of legend. That's a different thing, and I've banged on at length about this on B3ta before so I'll refrain from doing so now.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:42, archived)
# I'd say it's pretty conclusive,
non-existent people don't start religions, none of the alternative suggestions make any sense, and I'm not inclined to fence-sitting. Granted the Gospels might not have been entirely historical in content but that was how people wrote things up in those days. There's no need to suggest two or three people (at least not two or three contemporaries), it's all Jewish archetypes, comparing him to such figures as Moses and Elijah etc..
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:12, archived)
# I think there are plenty of example of non-existant people starting religions
ganesh, shiva, budha, pan, thor etc.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:33, archived)
# buddha's reasonably well-attested
but i never knew that mithras was a real person, much as his cult shares a few similarities with christianity. the argument "there *had* to be a person at the base of it" is pretty tenuous.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:36, archived)
# precisely most religions have been based upon a concept rather
than a real person. But I will shut up I'm way out of my depth here but until there is tangible undeniable proof I'll stay sceptical.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:41, archived)
# This is scepticism beyond the bounds of reason,
this kind of proof never exists for anything. Undeniable proof doesn't exist outside of maths and maths isn't tangible.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:45, archived)
# That doesn't make any sense what so ever!
"scepticism beyond the bounds of reason"? what so that means I just have to accept any religion based on some unsubstantiated beliefs and the say so of a few historians? The Turin shroud was proven as a medieval fake, there is no body of Christ, his depiction is of a Caucasian male in the middle of Judaea!? There is no written transcript of his life outside of the bible. I'm sorry but to say I have no reason is just plain offensive! Also Maths is tangible as it's provable through testing, testing anybody can do.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:58, archived)
# No it doesn't mean that at all,
and there is a great deal of maths that has no physical application at all, but even if it did, that wouldn't be the proof of it. Maths is proved through pure logic. Pythagoras's theorem isn't proven by drawing lots of triangles and measuring them.

What it means is that you should accept statements about history based on the balance of evidence. The Bible counts as evidence. Arguments from ignorance are no good.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:17, archived)
# Accepting the Bible as evidence is like accepting that Marvel Comics is evidence that Superman exists
The writing of the Dead Sea Scrolls do not tally with the King James Bible or the Lindisfarne Gospels so where does the modern bible actually exist in history? Sorry if you think I'm too thick to understand your brilliant points of view but there we have it I'm just a stupid pleb go on call me fucking stupid again!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:24, archived)
# Well no it isn't because we know Marvel comics are a deliberate fiction,
whereas the Bible might not be entirely historically reliable because of the class of literature that it is, as well as how it was produced, but it nevertheless counts as evidence. Scholars argue about exactly what it is evidence of but there's no reason to reject it while we accept so much other literature from the period and earlier. Quite a lot of what we know about ancient history comes from what people wrote about it.

The King James Bible isn't a great translation of the Hebrew, although it has a certain charm. The Dead Sea Scrolls differ from the Masoretic text mostly only in very minor ways, and even the major differences are hardly contradictions. I couldn't tell you anything about the Lindisfarne Gospels off the top of my head. I shall make a note to look them up.

I don't know why you think I'm calling you thick, that's certainly not the intention. Neither is it my intention, for the record, to convert you to Christianity. I don't even know if I'm a Christian myself.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:32, archived)
# It ceratinly seems at every turn you have rubbished my point of view by saying stuff like
"Arguments from ignorance are no good" and such like you don't say the words "You are stupid" but you imply it but at no point do you answer any of my doubts.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:12, archived)
# mithras was the subject of the religion, not its founder,
same as Ganesh et al. The cult of Mithras developed amongst Roman soldiers around a God imported from Persia (probably via pirates), although the similarity stops pretty much at the name as the religion was highly syncretistic, as Roman religion tended to be, and has a lot less in common with Christianity than some people would have you believe.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:42, archived)
# Jesus didn't found Christianity
That's an immediate, and very strong assumption. You'd be a lot safer saying that Paul founded Christianity since his historicity seems a lot better assured. You'd be even safer saying that no-one founded Christianity and it just grew out of the apocalyptic Jewish cults that infested Judea at that time.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:54, archived)
# According to the Gospels Jesus founded Christianity.
He is presented as the founder and it is presented by people claiming to be his followers. Mithras is not presented as the founder of anything or even as a real person. I hope you can appreciate there is a difference here. Paul is certainly responsible for a lot of things but even he attributed Christianity to Jesus as if he were a real person, furthermore Christianity already existed (by his own account at least) since he used to persecute Christians himself. Christian doctrine really does depend on Jesus being a real person otherwise the whole idea of redemption doesn't really work. It is not a religion about an "idea" as some other religions were. It is a religion ostensibly about the teachings and sacrifice of a real person and it makes no sense for that religion to exist if the real person did not exist.

Of course it did come about in first century Judaea in the milieu of Messianic sects that were around at that time, and a lot of work on the Dead Sea Scrolls has made it clear that a lot of Christianity wasn't quite as new or original as previously presumed, but the idea that a group of people invented their own teacher to follow just does not make sense. It makes less sense, on balance, than the idea that a guy started preaching the Kingdom and got some followers.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:06, archived)
# Using internal evidence as evidence is circular
Outwith the Gospels there is no evidence that Jesus started Christianity. There's basically none that *Paul* started Christianity, but at least his Epistles are attested earlier than the Gospels, and were very influential.

We know the early Church fathers existed, and we know that they all had different beliefs. That's attested even three hundred years later when Constantine was pushing for a unified dogma, and it's attested by the Epistles which discuss theological differences with other Christian leaders.

"Jesus" isn't actually attested outside of the dogma. "Paul", whatever the writer of the bulk of the Epistles attributed to him may have been called (and it seems a consensus that the bulk of them were written by a single man), *is*, by dint of the writings he left behind.

Sorry, but "Paul" has a stronger claim than "Jesus".

The alternative is that I'll accept, on the evidence of the writings "he" left behind, that Moses was the founding father of Judaism. Hell, the Pentateuch is attributed to him, I reckon he's got an even better claim than Jesus! (There is zero proof that Moses existed, either, and it seems frankly unlikely. Likewise Abraham, Isaac, Joseph et. al. Even Solomon and David are on shaky ground.)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:43, archived)
# i wrote a long reply to this
but fuck it. arguing about things on the internet is like drinking your own piss - pointless and pretty unpleasant. it's even sillier when you're doing it on a comedy website...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:48, archived)
# there's always gaz if you're bothered.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:50, archived)
# at some point maybe
at the minute i'm probably a bit too irritated (not at you, at life) to have a sensible argument, it would probably just descend into petty abuse from my side...

i think if we actually got down to the base of it we'd not find too much difference between our approaches, except that i view the lack of evidence as no reason to assume someone is anything more than legend, while you view it as no reason to say he didn't exist when its more than plausible that someone called "jesus" was walking around jerusalem preaching. which it certainly is. i'd just argue that if that person existed (and while there's no reason to assume he did but given that jesus was a common name it seems a reasonable assumption) there's no reason to tag him with "the original jesus".

the comparison i've made before is to king arthur. i can think of three people off the top of my head who can be held up as "the original arthur": ambrosious aurelianus, riothamus and owain ddantgwyn. ambrosius certainly existed, riothamus was probably a title for a king of brittany (but he may have been actually british), while ddantgwyn is the only one we have even a vague reason to assume was called "arthur". (and that reasoning is a bit specious). the point? aspects of the stories of these three, if the identification with ddantgwyn can be trusted, can be found in the arthur myth and there *was* no arthur.

it happens with all legends, and jesus is a legend. his story was passed through word-of-mouth and sayings gospels for decades before being written, and then it was passed around, rewritten, recast, cleaned up, messed up, and then finally emerged in the second century with the four gospels we know and a bunch of other miscellaneous texts. that's a long time to layer (even unintentional) misinformation all over it.

sure, there may have been a wandering religious nutjob called jesus, but identifying him with "jesus" is actually a bit of a stretch since things will be attributed to him that he never did, never said, some of them pure invention and some of them incorporated from other wandering preachers... including those from well outside judea. gnosticism shows a fair influence from further east, and we know there was plenty of contact. with that contact come ideas and myths.

your argument could equally be used to suggest that yahweh was real. maybe there even was a "king" called yahweh sometime 4,000 years ago or more, but it seems unlikely. what was passed onto us appears to be the result of the rather hamfisted synthesis of two or three traditions spread across the land we later knew as israel. stories from further back were incorporated (the most famous being the flood, which bears too striking a resemblance to that in the epic of gilgamesh to be coincidental), fables were misinterpreted as fact, morality tales as genuine history, and there was almost certainly pure propaganda thrown into the mix. the old testament is a great way to instill a feeling of nationalism and pride into the remains of two or three very distinct nations - just tell them that back 500 years there was a united kingdom. there may have been - there was certainly a powerful nation centred around jerusalem at roughly that time for whatever that means - but trying to claim that at that point all that later became israel was united and together is an enormous stretch. it's believing your sources to the point of credulity. given the layering and manipulation of stories all through the old testament -- something that is very widely accepted -- i see no reason to *not* apply the same thinking to the new testament...

that's my position, anyway, all without any abuse :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:05, archived)
# I don't know that the analogy with Arthurian legend is really very good,
the old testament is a massively complex work though, but don't get me started on Yahweh or we'll be up all night.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:23, archived)
# it's a reasonable analogy
in that they're both legends - and people did genuinely believe in arthur and believe that he would return. but i'm using it basically just as an example of how stories and legends from multiple people can be layered onto one character, who may or may not have originally been real, and then stirred around until essentially nothing's left of the man who donated his name.

whether that did happen with jesus or not is a different question, but it seems perfectly plausible to me.

anyway, i wrote a lot of stuff just above when i said i wouldn't - i think i'll let the board recover :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:46, archived)
# I don't see how anything you said proves some bloke named Jesus actually existed
just because you insist that only people worth listening to agree that he did. I'll leave it at that.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:30, archived)
# It wasn't my intent to do any such thing.
The discussion, as I saw it, was about extra-biblical texts relating to the resurrection, not the historical existence of the man.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:37, archived)
# "Nobody worth listening to doubts Jesus actually existed."
I'm glad that I'm not worth listening to.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:43, archived)
# I think she was meaning research scholars
so professional historians and archaelogists - which none of us on B3ta are, so far as I know.

I agree, it was a very strong statement in support of something inconclusive (and impossible to prove either way), but I don't think she meant it like that...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:48, archived)
# Hang on... whether you right or wrong saying the doubters aren't worth listening to is just foolish
Besides, apart from historical interest, the question of Jesus's existence as a human being is largely irrelevant. The real question is whether or not he was he the son of god and the personification of god in mortal form, who was sacrificed for the sins of mankind to give salvation to our souls.

Which I tend to presume he wasn't.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:48, archived)
# It's pretty relevant to Christians,
I don't know why atheists go to such lengths to make such a point because the existence of Jesus the man is hardly proof of the whole of Christian doctrine.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:01, archived)
# But Christians do spend a lot of time pinning their entire doctrine
on the belief that a bloke name Jesus existed as if that was proof in of itself even though there is no hard evidence to say he did exists and respected historians do name a few other people who at the same time and the same region proclaimed themselves as The Messiah or Prophet of God.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:07, archived)
# I don't much care for what this sort of Christian gets up to, to be honest,
but respected historians generally accept the historical existence of Jesus as a person based on the evidence that exists. Yes there were other Messiah claimants, if anything these lend the story essential credibility.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:16, archived)
# I agree with this
I'm really not bothered whether there is or isn't evidence for a charismatic but severely schizophrenic man named Jesus who live around 2000 years ago. It has no bearing on there not being a god.

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:02, archived)
# Nice shoes!
:D

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:03, archived)
# Don't step on them.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:09, archived)
# wyndsors finest
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:09, archived)
# 2 Can Chunder, 29, technician for Autoglass.
"I LIKE GLASS I LIKE HOW IT GOES CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH IN MY MOUTH AND MAKES EVERYTHING TASTE LIKE BLACK PUDDING"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:08, archived)
# hahahahahaha!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:10, archived)
# :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:05, archived)
# He must have had a chip on his shoulder, eh?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:15, archived)
# heheheh
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:18, archived)
[challenge entry] ...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:07, archived)
# I don't know but YES
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:07, archived)
# Distorted Robert Powell face is distor...
no, wait, that's Jasper Carrott. ;)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:10, archived)
# haha
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:13, archived)
# haha!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:18, archived)
# fuck, that's creepy!
the one with the beard looks a bit odd, too
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:11, archived)
# lully, here have a dowl
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:13, archived)
# Our dogs would love this.
Especially the one which kills birds whenever he can.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 20:02, archived)
# Hahahahahahahaha
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:13, archived)
# Haha, they've been at the sugar bowl again...
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:16, archived)
# the cold dead eyes of a killer
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:35, archived)
# *Gets*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:19, archived)
[challenge entry] Chillin'
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:58, archived)
# oh, that's lovely!
you can almost feel the heat from the sunset
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:58, archived)
# That's no sunset.
He's just torched a church.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:13, archived)
# pfff
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:30, archived)
# You had your op yet?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:37, archived)
# no, they sent me home
got to wait a couple of weeks as the surgeon's ill
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:45, archived)
# Bummer.
:(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:02, archived)
# he's the best around
and this is my last chance, so it'll be worth waiting, hopefully
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:12, archived)
# Ta sir!
:)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:14, archived)
# Trainers by Waterwalk?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:00, archived)
# Fresh!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:02, archived)
# DUDE!
Nice one Ninj :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:03, archived)
# Cheers Whato!
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:15, archived)
# haha
A joint in his hand and it's complete!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:04, archived)
# *Coughs*
;)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:14, archived)
# v
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:12, archived)
[challenge entry] Excellent
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:05, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:06, archived)
# :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:08, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:11, archived)
# 3 stooge lols :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:52, archived)
# Oh tell me he wouldn't come back as an Apple freak :o(
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:06, archived)
# He's listening to his iGod
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:15, archived)
# And Jesus saw Buckfast Abbey
And saw that it was good
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:06, archived)
# Oooooh Jesus, what big hands you've got....
what big hands you've got....:D

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:13, archived)
# lovely!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:20, archived)
# haha
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:38, archived)
# Holy Smoke
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:11, archived)
# Hahahahahahahaha
:D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:20, archived)
# I beLIEve You. (My Original Characters Maria(she was change gender for broken wand),Queen)
Recently, someone was draw my image Figure in cigarette.
But I hate cigarettes. I can not even drink alcohol.
and, I have child-like body.
I'm not so beautiful woman. :S
and, This account is not JollyJack's account.
The people here have a strange imagination.... -_-

BTW, I love Stop-motion animation.
I love Jan Svankmajer movies. :D


Queen hate Maria.
But Maria should believe her.
It is destiny.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:48, archived)
# (she was change gender for broken wand)
Does that mean what I think it does?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:49, archived)
# The wand has ability to change the DNA of the organism.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:52, archived)
# Ahh, pretty self explanatory then.
Carry on!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:53, archived)
# I love your posts. Every picture is
accompanied by a beautiful poem.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:50, archived)
# Thanks :D
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:53, archived)
# Excellent
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:50, archived)
# Always with the dark weird shit
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:52, archived)
# The people here have a strange imagination....
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:54, archived)
# compo it!!!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:54, archived)
# The Power of Christ Compels You!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:53, archived)
# Queen hate Maria do they?
Do they blame her for Freddy Mercury getting AIDS?

Nice pic.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:54, archived)
# Anybody have not AIDS ^^;
Thanks!!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:59, archived)
# It is destiny
new meme creation time
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:00, archived)
# really? :S
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:33, archived)
# Say what now?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:02, archived)
# I am not so beautiful. ^^;
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:04, archived)
# Reminds me of this
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:11, archived)
# Hmmmm, I wonder...
*Fires up photoshop*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:28, archived)
# How's that?


Let the spanging begin!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:55, archived)
# Hah!
I look forward to seeing the tennis match between the two of them
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:37, archived)
# Rogue lollipop lady
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:03, archived)
# Special moment on dreble meter time, call for action YES!
call for action YES!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:09, archived)
# Haaaaaaaa!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:31, archived)
# Pfffft
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:53, archived)
# Sense!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:17, archived)
# Too soon man, too soon
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 18:15, archived)
# LITTLE TRAIN AT MAXIMUM SENSE!
SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM SCHMERG MERM
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:07, archived)
# HA HA HA FUCKIN' HELL!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:28, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:33, archived)
# I know that image!
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 9:30, archived)
# Fucking hell
It's like a daily dose of whatthefuckery
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:22, archived)
# If I knew how to
do strikethrough, it would be on the word 'like' right now.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:26, archived)
# <s>word</s>
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:29, archived)
# yay! swords!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:32, archived)
# <p>or</k> <s>word</s>
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:43, archived)
# I have visions of her putting
"whatthefuckery" into babel translator and that vision makes me giggle.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:55, archived)
# she didn't like the word "ueberflounce"
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:04, archived)
# I dunno ueberflounce. ^^;
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:06, archived)
# Uberflounce = Big angry exit (exit being a verb in this case)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:23, archived)
# Thanks!! XD
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 21:15, archived)
# I'm afraid that you are the second person on my ignore list,
because you genuinely scare me.

I honestly would not trust you with my kids.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:30, archived)
# who are you?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:33, archived)
# This is Lord Manley
he is a lord and he is manly - bow to him!!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:42, archived)
# he's a "lord" alright!
:p

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:09, archived)
# he is a person who posts on this board and who has done so for a very long time
he looks a bit like Jesus and thinks of himself almost as highly

respect your elders
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:44, archived)
# OK.
But I don't ignore anyone.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:29, archived)
# and neither you should
it`s a pathetic way to behave imo
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:40, archived)
# no, he said he's ignoring you
not you are ignoring him
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:41, archived)
# Her as a babysitter...?
*shudders*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:41, archived)
# ha! and you say we have the strange imagination
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:33, archived)
# yeah. *nod*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:36, archived)
# The concept of irony is wasted on you, right?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:47, archived)
# In purely without irony.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:00, archived)
# That would be a yes then!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:06, archived)
# some of her clothes must be flat, surely?
And yes, I will call your surely.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:10, archived)
#
What I Said
-------------------------¬
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:41, archived)
# I don't beLIEve You
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:47, archived)
# ^^;
I cant.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:59, archived)
# You're very odd
please keep posting, it's interesting
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:07, archived)
# ^^
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:26, archived)
# lots of touching
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:15, archived)
# Hi moggy :D I like bonkers japanners
people are confused here. If they didn`t like you they would simply ignore you. They don`t, so they do :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:35, archived)
# XD thanks
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:20, archived)
# this will likely end in a bloodbath
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:10, archived)
# Nice work as always :)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:28, archived)
# thanks!! XD
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:47, archived)
#
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:23, archived)
# XD thanks
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:27, archived)
[challenge entry] Difficult second coming album
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:35, archived)
# Yup, you nailed this one mate!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:39, archived)
# doh!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:44, archived)
# ah, that second album is never as good
well, not often
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:45, archived)
# Hahahahahahaha!
Good God ;)
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:01, archived)
# Cover is excellent
The way you have got the front page on an angle - this is very polished.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:04, archived)
# Oh yes. This is a cracker!
:D

(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 0:59, archived)
# Oh lordy

nice one :)
(, Tue 18 Oct 2011, 9:02, archived)
# More messing about with layer masks
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:23, archived)
# nice
always have trouble with them, still haven't sussed them
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:25, archived)
# Until today, I didn't know layer adjustment masks even existed.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:37, archived)
# Who dat?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:39, archived)
#
Boy are my priorities off beam today.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:41, archived)
# It's OK - it's probably that you're just gay and not interested in pretty ladies.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:47, archived)
# Just a source pic. No idea who she is.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:46, archived)
# BORING.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:47, archived)
# Boring?
It's OK - it's probably that you're just gay and not interested in pretty ladies.

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:50, archived)
# No. It's that I wanted her contact detas because I'm so interested in pretty ladies and doing sex onto them and not gay at all
ACTUALLY.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:52, archived)
# pffft
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:52, archived)
# Hello gorgeous!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:19, archived)
# Looks like
Antonia Campbell-Hughes from Lead Balloon.

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:51, archived)
# What's a layer adjustment mask?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:41, archived)
# A mask that lets you adjust the image properties like hue & saturation.
Lets you mess about with things quite quickly, apparently.

(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:47, archived)
# A layer
that applies a change in hue/saturation or contrast/brightness etc without destruction of the layer you want to adjust. Rather than change the contrast of a layer, you put an adjustment layer above it which allows you to switch that change on and off by just hiding the adjustment layer.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:49, archived)
# hahahahahahahaha
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:13, archived)
# something mentally unstable brickies have to wear
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 19:38, archived)
# SSHWWWING!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:41, archived)
# got a touch of the Anna Friel about her
hmmm...touch...anna friel..mmmnngggrroowwlll

be right back *unzips*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 15:04, archived)
# I'd like to adjust her layers
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 17:21, archived)
# look into my eyes!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:28, archived)
# Reminds me of that Queen album cover.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:28, archived)
# A Night at the Opera?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:30, archived)
# a kind of magic, i think
or the miracle
*checks c.ds*
yep, the miracle
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:31, archived)
#
The Miracle, apparently.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:35, archived)
# i just said that!
it's in my collection
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:37, archived)
# Is it too late to say that I was actually taking the piss?
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:42, archived)
# Yes.
*throws a massive flounce*
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:45, archived)
# good throw!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:52, archived)
# yes. yes it is.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:46, archived)
# shut it crispy-tits!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:52, archived)
# my tits are not crispy!
my neck may be, but only a little bit!
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:58, archived)
# Shouldn't remind me of Leela
from Futurama, yet does.
(, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 14:36, archived)

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