A witness account of Bin Laden's death
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The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:22,
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Harry Enfield. Gay Son.
One of my old favourite sketches from Enfield.
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I remember feeling a little sorry for the old guy at the time.
He tried, he really did.
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jonbob loves you, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:19,
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hahaha....
I like the christmas one too
"I thought you said you wanted to mince by..."
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:30,
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excellent
always found enfield a bit hit and miss but when he gets it right it's great
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Is that Ewan Bremner?
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IHaveABadFeelingAboutThis most likely working from home on, Tue 3 May 2011, 16:35,
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If Ewan Bremner is the guy from Trainspotting...
..then yes, it is.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 3 May 2011, 18:21,
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Man to sue Police over surveillance
This is a kind of interesting adjunct to some of the posts here during the royal wedding. /links seems to be quite anti-protest and anti-freedom of speech. Have a read. Stopped while helping a relative move house because his car registration was picked up by a traffic camera and alerted police. nice.
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not anti-protest or anti-freedom
just anti-twat...
pick your battles and make them worth-wile...instead of being an attention seeking cunt.
haven't read the link... just referring to the /links comment.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:02, Reply)
^very much this
With added "if you're going to get caught knowingly breaking the law, try not to be a whiny little bitch about it".
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:04,
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more attention seeking twattism
www.guardian.co.uk/uk/audio/2009/mar/06/surveillance-justice yup not anti-protest or anti-freedom just anti-twat. brilliant. well here's another interesting 'cunty' link.
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Is it against the law for me to follow someone and write down details of their entire day like I'm a private detective?
just curious because that would obviously be worse and even more intrusive. Or like a newspaper reporter. I hope this man doesn't talk to the press, they're clearly far worse than the police.
It's a bit weird what the police are doing in terms of simply discovering someone can tell you where you were and what you were doing better than your own memory, but I'm not sure what harm it's doing.
It's kind of impressive that the police are paying attention and making notes on these things, or would he rather they ignored everyone, including the extremists that turn up to protests, draw layouts of things etc etc
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:12,
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'if you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about'
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mutated monty, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:40,
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indeed, and sometimes its reassuring that people are keeping an eye on you in case you take a tumble!
but back to my first question, does anyone know if it is legal to follow someone and record everything they are doing when you are not a policeman?
If its legal for normal people, reporters or private eyes to do it, what is this guy complaining about?
Also, isn't he being a bit of a hypocritical cunt if he was drawing who was there and where the police stood?
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:52,
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You can do whatever you like in a public space
so long as you're not harassing that person. Which probably means that if said person got annoyed enough at your actions, they might be able to use the law to stop that annoyance.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:45,
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right, so if I'm not spotted I can create my own massive dossier on this bloke
brilliant!
maybe I've already started :D
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:51,
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It happens with
celebs all the time. Huge scrapbooks of every newspaper cutting, camping outside houses etc. If it goes too far, it can be a criminal act, as in the Rio Ferdinand case recently.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:00,
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it makes it hard for me to think that what the police is doing is bad
when in theory they have the best intentions and there are so many more mental people doing far worse yet not breaking the law
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:16,
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And if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't need watching doing it.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:20, Reply)
but you can't know someone is doing anything wrong without watching them
I'd rather there was a chance police could prevent a serious crime than they had to see every disaster happen before slowly working their way back through evidence to say "ooh, it was him", especially if by this non observation approach witness statements couldn't be taken or neighbours/family members couldn't be asked about suspects because just looking at anyone around you and remembering what they did was some kind of fascist control. :D
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:53,
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as someone who loves attention...
if no ones watching, you've got something to worry about.
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And if you take statements like that seriously, you're not much of a thinker.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:16,
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it gets more fascist here every fucking day
great article.
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:37,
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I used to be a screaming left wing liberal
when i was a kid... and as i grew up my political leanings have only become more centralised.
real Life...and taxes...the two greatest threats to liberalism.
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i was branded a 'lefty cunt' to a group EDL on the other week
tru fax.
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If there is anyone who abuses freedom of speech,
its the fucking EDL. I think it should be changed to 'rationality of speech'.
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That's half the country locked up right there.
Rational speech? haha!
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Now I've actually read the link
I've found out he's associated with Smash EDO, who are a bunch of cunts of the highest order. They're running a campaign of harassment similar to that which was waged against Huntingdon Life Sciences.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:42,
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Yeah he is a really danger
On another occasion he was logged as having "sat on a folding chair and appeared to be sketching" at a demonstration.
welcome to B3DL.
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Sketching what?
Sketching pretty bunnies and rainbows, or the security systems of the premises the protest is at? We don't know and we'll never know unless the police take an interest in these sorts of things.
Seriously, if you're at all bothered about the police taking an interest in you, maybe you'd want to stop hanging around with known extremists such as say... oh I don't know. Smash EDO perhaps.
This is nothing to do with the EDL either so you're not really helping your case there.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 15:17,
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What do you mean, did they take a line opposite yours?
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:26,
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No.
I mean all this big brother-paranoia-everything is black and white lazy-ass journalism.
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JamTallons, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:59,
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It does seem a bit dodgy,
right up to the point where they talk about Smash EDO. This is a group that has been involved in a spate of criminal acts, and it seems they're going to continue.
It's part of the polices job to protect the company, and if they're any good at that job it should involve being pro-avtive, and gathering intelligence on the group's members.
I happen to agree with Smash EDO's sentiments, although, not some of their methods, but all I can see here is police doing what they are meant to do.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the case.
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The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:23,
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Sorry but fuck the Guardian for using "scary" music in their video, no matter how relevant the news report is.
That's the point at which I closed the page.
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Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:46,
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Isnt the point of a protest
to get noticed? You can hardly then complain if you do. I also like the irony that this horrible police state has a law in place that allows him to read the files they have on him! North Korea are a bunch of amateurs compared to the UK.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:54,
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Bin Laden Dead for a Decade says this report ;)
inspired by this comment b3ta.com/board/10408951, i went and had a look (only the front page, will wade into the forums next lol). And there was a link to this article.
also: New Tape coming soon!
get yer hats out!
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:50,
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and from the forums
forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=167762
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:55,
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not surprising
didn't Reagan time the negotiated release of some hostages to coincide with his election. Why should the people that manage Obama be any different. The game is about managing public perceptions not the truth. I strongly doubt whether he actually brought those 3 towers down without inside help anyway.
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yeah, Regans team contacted the Iranians who had taken embassy workers hostage
and got them to hold off on releaseing the hostages till after the election. How they did this i don't know (prolly paid or offers of diplomatic/political assistance), but it came out via FOIA.
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:06,
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I'm a bit fuzzy on this..
..but is there any evidence at all that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9-11? apart from some very questionable video and audio? I recorded a lot of the news on 9-11 on my 4 track (I had it set up so did) and it's amazing how quick his name started to get thrown out there.
Also is so weird you don't hear much talk of the funding from Pakistan, no one ever mentions NORAD or the put options during before 9-11, so many things...so many...
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another FBI whistleblower
came out recently apparently...but we're going to need some more to get people to sit up and take notice about what really happened on that day which is not easy given the amount of media which is blocking and controlled against it
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why is it
that 7 and a half minute youtube vid packed more information and convincing evidence that this is a setup than the entire output of the BBC, Sky and Fox combined! who is this man and what's up with his voice?
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:43, Reply)
I usually mock conspiracy theorists...
..But something about this whole business stinks.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:57,
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different people have
different credability points which set off alarm bells
for some it's this episode of Bin Laden being killed and buried at sea in time for Obama's re election
for me personally, it was when tower 7 of the world trade centre collapsed like a controlled demolition into its own footprint at freefall speed without a plane hitting it.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:05, Reply)
i find conspiracy theories facsinating and highly entertaining...
its like religion for people who dont like religion... I CAN STILL BELIEVE IN SOMETHING THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF!
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:33, Reply)
I find that
works both ways
the most powerful instinct people have is not survival but the instinct to keep things familiar, people will cling to anything which will maintain the illusion for them that the world is as it should be and how it's presented to them by their leaders
there's delusion on all sides
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erm:
the most powerful instinct people have is not survival but the instinct to keep things familiar,
citation required...
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I think the simplest answer is normally the correct one
They knew where Osama was hiding, and had done since September, but Obama held off pursuing it under the banner of "Intelligence Gathering" until the start of his re-election campaign.
Indeed, they probably did gather intelligence during that period, but the decision was Obamas and he made that decision when it was right for him.
Maybe.
Maybe they just went in and shot him.
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A dog would never do that....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FwvbJshTC0
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:46,
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A Greek sicko by the looks of the youtube link.
They're not big on animal welfare over there I hear.
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girlinthehole, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:02,
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One of the most interesting optical illusions you will ever see - the spinning ballerina
Try just looking at the image and attempting to control your perception of the way the ballerina is spinning. It's quite the mind bender.
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Grundlebiscuit, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:13,
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? either I'm a freak of nature
or that's not hard to follow at all
She's rotating counter clockwise (her left leading) and going up and down at the same time with a slight angle tilt on the 3d model.
Reading the bit at the bottom I don't see how it could be going clockwise.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:25,
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If you look at the shadow at the bottom it sometimes helps to flip this 8 year old image around.
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mike woz ere 7442200 & 7696970 getter, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:36,
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8 years old?
She looks at least 16 with those nawks.
I'll get my coat...
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:43,
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You can percieve it both ways.
That's the illusion.
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mike woz ere 7442200 & 7696970 getter, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:35,
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ahhhhhhhhh, I think I see what people are talking about but it's not exactly an optical illusion
it's just about perspective/camera positioning.
The bad angling of the 3d model causes her foot to lift off the ground giving you a minor forced lower angle of the animation. So what you can see if you stare at the feet is like looking at her from under a glass surface (you pervert) and therefore a reverse motion of what she is doing.
Looking at her upper body clearly (in my mind) shows the direction.
if it wasn't a silhouette it would fall apart horribly.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:44,
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It is an optical illusion because it forces the brain to make an assumption about the direction of rotation.
Either assumption breaks down when you see the images rotation switch. Not everyone sees it rotate the same way initially.
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mike woz ere 7442200 & 7696970 getter, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:47,
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Look at it out of the corner of your eye and it might switch directions.
worked for me
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:37,
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I can make it change.
Look at the shadow, and picture it spinning anti- clockwise, and she flips. Then look at her tits, and she flips back to clockwise.
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The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:44,
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Arghh smashes monitor!!!
Arghhh it only goes one way!!!
It's a bloody conspiracy to drive me mental!!!
It does not go both ways EVER!!!!!
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That's what I thought to begin with
Try covering up the ballerina and only looking at the reflection, that bit is much easier to 'switch' in your mind. Then slowly reveal the ballerina from the feet up.
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Digby - The Worlds Biggest Dog.
I had a discussion the other day about lost tv shows and films. Always a good way to end a party.
I remembered this, and no one else did. Therefore I won, no matter what anyone else thinks.
What do you guys think you would have won with?
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 9:36, Reply)
"Children of the stones"
This used to scare the living shit out of me back in the 70's. What was slightly
controversial about it was the time slot, 4:45 PM. This was what actor
Gareth Thomas did before he went on to make "Blakes 7"
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That's sending shivers
through me watching it now!
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:10,
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Did you ever watch The Stone Tapes?
That freaked the fk out of me when I were little. Which was a looong time ago.
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simbosan is too tired, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:15,
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I was too little
for that one. I might watch it later though. Looks proper 70's scary!
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:38,
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Digby was on TV the other day
Can't beat a bit of Jim Dale, the grumpy old massively rich Harry Potter narrating sod
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:04,
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Bugger,
missed that...
My other favourite Jim Dale film from the 80s was Petes Dragon.
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Spaceman and King Arther is another oddity
www.imdb.com/title/tt0080062/
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:10,
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I loved Digby!
Not as much as I loved Itsy and Bitsy
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAt8bjL0l8E&feature=related
This film used to scare the pants off me
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgc5teYxTKQ&feature=related
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:08,
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My missus has got glove puppets of Itsy and Bitsy :D
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HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:21,
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YAY!
My lovely big brother made me one when I was tiny. It's long gone now sadly. :-(
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:29,
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I remember watching this as a kid, probably on S4C on holiday in Wales or something,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg4rOkiDYAw
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Jorvic, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:00,
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i remember a show, was either on cbbc or citv, itv i think. i was sure it was called 'stroganov' or similar but i cant find anything about it now. was some random hungarian-esque made tv show. wondering if ive made it up now.
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Robostory is my one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaKx311Zdls
No one else seems to remember it
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:11,
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the changes scared the shit out of me but i was only about 5
(last episode, middle part) www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP4CEHRjqZ8
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Avast is still alive!!!!, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:11,
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Anybody remember
The Boy from Outer Space? It featured a boy who was silver that's all I remember. He had a silver pudding bowl haircut.
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That was a Look and Read story wasn't it?
like Dark Towers, and Badger Girl?
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:13,
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Hooray for badger girl!
They filmed that on Dartmoor, I had to do a project on it in school.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Tue 3 May 2011, 11:29,
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That triggers a memory
Might not be connected though. I remember a show about a small group of kids who seemed to be constantly running away from some threat that turned up in a black Lotus Esprit.
I also remember a show (might not be the same one) where the baddies were called Weirdigans, but Google is being especially crap on that one.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:32,
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Yey, good 'ol Diggers
Old compo entry
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Jeccius Steam Borderlands 2 junkie, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:03,
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The boy who lost his laugh
Well, they say lost. I'm pretty sure he sold it to a creepy guy in a Mercedes.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:18,
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A template for every awful Facebook* discussion ever
*Replace Facebook with the forum or board of your choice.
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I'm always doing "The Thoughtful One" one
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Lord Keeps meaning to procrastinate., Tue 3 May 2011, 15:04,
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nice ass
would
all 3 with the same diamond cutter
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Fire & Forget it's the only way to be sure, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:48,
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Mine too...
o_O
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Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Tue 3 May 2011, 9:34,
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M...
mine... too... :o
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dazbrilliantwhites has been meaning to change this..., Wed 4 May 2011, 16:15,
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There's certainly somebody out there...
...who's approaching orgasm.
I hope he/she is far away.
Do i like this? Uhm... i'd like to call my lawyer first.
(, Mon 9 May 2011, 14:53, Reply)
And this is why I'll never visit Cornwall
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 3 May 2011, 8:44,
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I feel real weirded out now
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Fire & Forget it's the only way to be sure, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:53,
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What the hell did I just watch?
I dont know what to think about that...
I guess, in the words of Shakespeare, to fap, or not to fap
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Coubs Salty toothpaste, Tue 3 May 2011, 12:11,
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Get in line.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Wed 4 May 2011, 0:25,
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that made my mind feel violated
*downloads to pr0n folder anyway*
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account88888 former cynic, converted to kindness, Tue 3 May 2011, 17:18,
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I kept waiting for a point
it never came.
Now I feel a bit ill
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nivoser tangos with the devil, Tue 3 May 2011, 17:59,
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What a pretentious load of shite.
And not even mildly unexpected.
I have had the dubious pleasure of converting worldwide video submissions for an arts festival before now (taking all the various formats and framerates used globally and making them playable in Britain...) and it was full of this kind of shit.
People that make this sort of thing think they're being so "out there" and they're really not. It' only people like me, that have to sit through literally hundreds of these videos converting each one that sees just how fucking similar they are.
Step 1 - Take someone unassuming looking. A pretty girl for example.
Step 2 - Take an unassuming every day item. Food for example.
Step 3 - Combine step 1 and step 2 in an unusual way (for unusual, read: disgusting).
Step 4 - Add some unsuitable music.
Step 5 - Submit to arts festival of your choosing.
Step 6 - Feel like you've created something "out there".
Just google "interior semiotics".
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PMGT -Bacon., Fri 6 May 2011, 19:48,
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Having googled 'interior semiotics' and watched the video
that bloke at 2:27, does he have any weak lemon drink?
(, Fri 6 May 2011, 20:20, Reply)
I think your response may be at least kind of what they are looking for
To be honest, the video is wierd, subversive, but most of all striking very much left of centre. I wouldn't say it's totally original, but it isn't exactly treading familiar territory.
Personally I find it entertaining, and don't you think it's good to see something take you out of your own comfort zone?
I've had a look at some of your own videos, and it goes without saying you're a particulary talented visual designer, but I wouldn't imagine you'd come up with something like this. Not that I'm saying this is high art or anything, I just hate it when people go "that's a load of old pretencious nonsense, anyone could make that". The fact is you didn't, and they did. If it isn't your cup of tea, so be it, but that doesn't mean it's bollocks, it's just not in your particular wavelength.
If we shot down everyone who 'made something wierd' using your formula, we'd never have any David Cronenberg, Steven Spielberg, Michel Gondry, Christopher Nolan, Werner Herzog, Shane Meadows, David Lynch, etc etc. Enjoy people letting their wierd out, it could lead to something great.
(, Sat 7 May 2011, 1:55, Reply)
A fair and well reasoned point,
however, I must (obviously) disagree.
I think it is a question of intent. Whoever made this video had the intention of creating something shocking and unsettling. If you find it shocking and unsettling, I would wager that you have not seen many videos like this before.
All of the work I do for anyone is within the independent film scene in Manchester, and whilst I hope to God you don't think I'm saying that in a kind of "I do this, so my argument is more valid" kind of way, I would say that if you're in a position to see more than two of these kind of videos back to back, as I have been on numerous occasions, then they immediately lose that shock factor as you start to see that they're all the same, and not creative, and not original, and after you see it once, not even shocking. You can just substitute food for dirt for example, or worms, or dog shit or anything you want thats likely to elicit that "WTF?" reation in your viewers.
You said, and I thank you for it, that I wouldn't and didn't come up with something like this. Absolutely right. Just because I can, doesn't mean I should. And I assure you that if I wanted to make something like this, I could. I don't just do visual effects, I'm also a director and writer, and I'd like to think that if I wanted to make something you find unsettling, I could do a much better job than just doing something people find a bit disgusting. But if I wanted to make a video that elicited this kind of response in people I easily could, because I can see the common ideas that run through all of these kinds of videos. Namely what I described in the original reply. (Check out "Milk Teeth" by Japanese Voyeurs as well. They do a similar thing but as a music video, which at least gives the video a point...)
And to be honest, I think it might be a little bit rich comparing this with the likes of David Cronenberg, David Lynch and Werner Herzog. They are expert storytellers. This is a video of a girl rubbing butter in her hair. They challenge you by tackling subject matter few others would dare to, and crafting believable stories out of the absurd. "The Fly" is still one of the most perfect horror films ever made, not because it's scary, but because it tackles unsettling ideas like the dangers of experimental science and the fear of the unknown. This is a video of a girl rubbing butter in her hair.
There really is no further shock value than "Oh, I wouldn't do that with food."
And it's actually quite ironic that you described it as being "not in my particular wavelength", as "Wavelength" by Michael Snow was one of the first Avant-Garde films I ever watched (as part of an extensive module on Avant-Garde film at university). If you want to talk about comfort zones, go and watch that (all of it). Better yet, watch it on a cinema screen with the volume set right. It is far better, and far more uncomfortable, than this.
I love film, in almost all of it's forms (except fucking romantic comedies...). I love films that entertain, films that inform and films that challenge you. I love weird films, and I love (good) experimental films. This is not one of those films. It's formulaic and boring as hell.
If you want to watch a genuinely unsettling film, or even just some good Avante-Garde films, may I recommend some of the following:
Restrepo
Men Behind The Sun (I suggest you do some background reading on this one first. Start with "Unit 731")
Dog Star Man
The General Line
Un Chien Andalou
Atomic Cafe
The Thin Blue Line (not really avante-garde, but a worrying documentary nonetheless)
Battleship Potemkin
The Discreet Charm of the Petit-Bourgeoisie
This is just a video of a girl rubbing butter in her hair.
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PMGT -Bacon., Sat 7 May 2011, 11:05,
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And because I'm not the sort of person
that would make claims about being able to make films without evidence to back it up, here are my vimeo pages with some of the videos and projects I've worked on over the last few years:
vimeo.com/user694404 (Stuff I have done with my colleague Andy...)
vimeo.com/user1708944 (mostly work in process stuff).
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PMGT -Bacon., Sat 7 May 2011, 11:15,
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Good argument
And thanks on the list, I've got a bunch of them but I'll definatly research Men Behind The Sun, Dog Star Man and The General Line (incidentally seeing as you brought up Restrepo, catch Armadillo if you haven't already).
You obviously know your way around film, I fully respect your opinion. Without treading too far into the beard-scratching-who-knows-more-about-avart-garde-cinema territory, there's no way I would place this in the category of true intellectual cinema. I understand your point of distancing this video from people I mentioned, but even folk like Lynch made 'Dumbland', something I'm still having trouble fathoming if he was just taking the piss or not.
Regardless, I respect him for releasing it, as he made something he was proud enough to stamp his own name upon and release into the wide world, with no real concern for it's critial reception.
Films like Zulawski's 'Possession' or 'Diabel', Denis's 'Trouble Every Day' and 'The Intruder', even going way back to early Bertolucci with 'Before The Revolution' (as well as many that you have mentioned) they all share a common theme of stepping into the realm of the unknown. It typically takes a few return journeys to work out what the hell is actually going on. Again, I wouldn't dare try and lump this video in with anything even closely resembling the films both of us have referenced. I think we are on the same wavelength of believing the people behind this video made it with the pure intent of doing something wierd for wierd's sake.
But I'm sure back when they were experimenting with their cameras, Lynch, Cronenberg, Bunuel, Zulawski, and everyone else we've talked about probably has a stash kicking about in someone's basement with old footage of how this goes with that or how that looks with that on it and what would it be like if we do this and so on (I know Kubrick did, he avoided the embarassment and burnt as much of his archive as he possibly could, bar the boxes [incidentally, I'm sure you would have seen it, but if not, track down the documentary 'Stanley Kubrick's Boxes' by Jon Ronson. An invigorating watch]).
That's how I view this piece of work. it definatly is wierd for the sake of wierd. But can you honestly tell me that everything that every brilliant artist we've seen in the film industry has created nothing but stunning, expressionistic, evocative, life-affirming pieces of work, or have there been a few duds early on that worked as a stepping stone for something bolder, better and worth waiting for?
And on the account of wierd for wierd's sake, I have to admit there's a wealth of material that comes to mind that, personally, stand up on their own two feet as pieces of entertainment. Examples like selected pieces from Takashi Miike, Ôbayashi 'Hausu' (absolutly worth a watch with some friends late one night, a total riot), and 'Andy Warhol's Bad' (which he only produced) all show an absolute reluctance to conform to any requirement to explain or quantify the wierdness (and there's a TON) throughout their pictures. An excellent recent example of this would be Quentin Dupieux's 'Rubber', which opens with a monologue aimed directly at the audience dissecting the validity of 'no reason' in cinema. Sure, it's tongue in cheek, but it's absolutly the director's true and unabashed sentiment; sometimes, if it pays off, it's fucking great cinema. Nothing more, nothing less.
I apologise if my first post came off a tad stand-offish. There have been a few occasions on this board when something I generally consider to be at the very least an interesting watch that gets blown out of the water by someone who doesn't have a clue what they are talking about, but are adament they are correct nonetheless. That's my own ignorance, I must stop that.
(, Sat 7 May 2011, 20:42, Reply)
What a lovely civilised conversation this turned out to be.
I wish all of the internet was like this. I shall endeavour to watch suggested films, and thank you for your participation :D
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PMGT -Bacon., Mon 9 May 2011, 21:37,
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My thoughts exactly
I'll definatly track down the ones you brought up. If people were more like us the internet would be a better place.
(, Tue 10 May 2011, 20:14, Reply)
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..wil, Fri 6 May 2011, 19:53,
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tin foil nailed it
but er.... what teh fuck?
back up a little...... whatthe fuk?
i am actually speechless
(trust me that is VERY uncommon)
(, Sat 14 May 2011, 22:23, Reply)
Earth is the center of the universe.
Very dry bloke explaining why biblical Christians are the center of the universe.
The comments are quite amusing as well for the classic septic habit of not getting the joke.
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The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Tue 3 May 2011, 6:46,
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Ah, Edward Current...
not a fan to be honest. although it is funny when people take his parodies a little too seriously :-)
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 8:23, Reply)
^ this
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Tue 3 May 2011, 10:15,
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Yah, I watched a few more after this one,
and they were no where near as good.
The one I posted is full of roffles though IMO.
Is he taking the piss out of Ray Comfort?
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The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:32,
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I think so,
or any Fundie on youtube for that matter. I think he has had his moments. And everytime his videos come up, there are always people who think he is serious. Must be his dry monotonous tone :-)
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 13:35, Reply)
Bitch please!
so there are no sex fiends in the Biblical Christian circles? What a fuckin Tool! You can never trust people who claim to know exactly what God wants for their fellow man.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:45, Reply)
This name strikes a bell in my head
E Dubya. Hes one of us?
Edit : Apperently he is www.b3ta.com/users/profile.php?id=69639
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jakedamusss I understand, and dont care., Tue 3 May 2011, 4:06,
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at first I'd have said Cyriak
but they don't mutate into horrible recursion beasts
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 14:06, Reply)
Hilarious Reviews for Osama's Country Halal Bed and Breakfast
"The inside smelled of towels and fear."
"We drove around for ten years trying to find the place."
"Staff spoke only Arabic; receptionist was a goat."
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Digeridude Lord Wellington's Beef Trapeze, Tue 3 May 2011, 3:55,
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I find it a cynical viral.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Tue 3 May 2011, 1:26,
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For rusks? Aren't they just a generic type of biscuit that a baby eats? Or is it an actual brand?
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 1:34, Reply)
Official pic of Obama & team during the OBL operation (via @fieldproducer)
If I hadn't spent the last three days making bloody wedding invitations and was any good at photoshop, I'd have shopped in them watching a porno or something smarterer.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 0:13, Reply)
The inevitable:
twitpic.com/4sidks
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the wub - guide onion for the blind, Tue 3 May 2011, 0:26,
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Is that John Lithgow?
Interesting to see Obama's "just in from the garden" look.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 6:43, Reply)
I can't see a lithgow,
but I see a young Giles Brandreth and Alan Rickman
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Damocles wants no part of your debauchery, Tue 3 May 2011, 7:56,
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It's been doing the rounds...
It appears that Pakistan weren't the only people who know where Osama was!
(, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:42, Reply)
yep... i be bringer of bad news - it's a few link down.
still good though!
(, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:43, Reply)
Jelly cubes dropping and boinging about
They look so pretty!
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:40,
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Ooh that's cool isn't it!
Those slow mo cameras must cost a fair bit.
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magictoast, Tue 3 May 2011, 0:12,
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That's brilliant. Slow-mo of anything moving would probably appeal to me but jelly is the new favourite.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 1:42, Reply)
lovely!
would be better with sound though BLLLLLLLLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMPPPPP
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spesh., Tue 3 May 2011, 10:16,
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Do you write subtitles professionalismally by any chance? Could you please write a subtitle for someone-bin-ladle being lobbed into the sea? Thanks.
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emergency_pants Today I smell of... tea tree, Tue 3 May 2011, 11:13,
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This is either the best or worst music video ever.
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Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:39,
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That's fuckin shockin!
(said in best scouse accent)
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:45,
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Best.
Best best best worst best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best best worst best best best best best best best best best best worst best best best best best best worst best best best worst best best best best best best best best best best best best best worst best best best best best best best best best best best best best best worst best best best best best best best best worst best best best best best best.
I fucking love this.
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Jimbuktu See? Right here, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:46,
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You are sick in the head
I blame all the coffee.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:49,
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No Herbie
Coffee is good ya? This probably has more to do with the rum or awesome microbrewed beers I've been tasting..they are a touch strong.
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Jimbuktu See? Right here, Thu 5 May 2011, 0:40,
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Awesomely shit and amazing at the same time
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Alzo wouldn't ride your mum into battle, Mon 2 May 2011, 23:49,
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like a really big scab on your knee
you want to leave it alone but you cant help yourself
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 0:15, Reply)
100 times better than the video of the original
except for the music. compare and contrast.
(, Tue 3 May 2011, 0:44, Reply)
they
should have used zombies instead of bikers... or biker zombies....
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The invisible ham Fig rolls are the best, Tue 3 May 2011, 1:17,
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It appears
that a lot of people went to a lot of trouble to do something completely pointless. I salute them.
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TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Tue 3 May 2011, 2:04,
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It's certainly no stranger than the video for the original
As it happens, I quite like it. It's a lot more entertaining than the majority of the professionally made videos on TV at the moment.
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shovelboy This is bad - Two minutes to Belgium, Tue 3 May 2011, 3:28,
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I really enjoyed that!
Props for yanking the heart out and singing to it
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jakedamusss I understand, and dont care., Tue 3 May 2011, 8:09,
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epically and wonderfully shit.
click!
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Tue 3 May 2011, 11:49,
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I was about to say the same thing
"Why don't you piss off back to Romford where you belong"
(, Fri 6 May 2011, 17:28, Reply)
for those who don't know or who are interested
The band is Crystal Swing. A mother, son and daughter trio who had a youtube viral hit last year with 'she talks dirty in Spanish'. Tad creepy and incestuous. The show Republic of Telly is the Irish equivalent of Harry Hills TV burp and also gave us The Rubberbandits most excellent hit 'F*ck your honda Civic, I've a horse outside'.
I'm going to take you out to MullinGAAAAR.
Right, that's that so....
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sneep used to date Freddie Starr's hamster, Fri 6 May 2011, 15:44,
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Ahem
a possible hugh cooney appearance as a biker?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-tlqP1BPbE
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dazbrilliantwhites has been meaning to change this..., Fri 6 May 2011, 19:11,
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I realised my prejudices
while watching this video. I wondered, for a while, who was the fit redhead he kung fu kicked. Turns out it was the meh blonde with a wig.
I love redheads.
(, Sat 7 May 2011, 2:03, Reply)
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