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# i am the king of wishful thinking
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:36, archived)
# O_O
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:37, archived)
# ^ Needs more Teh Quo
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:37, archived)
# Dammit!
*closes paint.net*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:38, archived)
# Ha ha....
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:40, archived)
# Needs more apostrophes.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:49, archived)
# I tell myself
I'm over you.
But you just keep posting!
*clicks*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:38, archived)
# Woo!
**waits for shark**
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:38, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
How did you end up in that situation Davey?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:38, archived)
# He bought a Captains hat because he thought it looked jaunty
there followed a series of hilarious slapstick misunderstandings which resulted in him being in charge of a large Ocean liner with no qualifications.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:40, archived)
# iwanttoseethis
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:43, archived)
# if you steal a ship you should learn the controls first
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:42, archived)
# What japes :)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:46, archived)
# it sure was.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:47, archived)
# Well look at our boat in the bay it looks like some sad arse little canoe
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:40, archived)
# *pretends*


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:48, archived)
# Go West, young man!
:D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:52, archived)
# This made me smile
on an otherwise dull day.

Kudos, sir, kudos.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 15:12, archived)
# lovely charm
:D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 16:30, archived)
# I'm very sorry- Mindbleach all round
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:24, archived)
# OM FUCKING GOD!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: You terrifyingly, scarily appalling man, you!

Also: :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:25, archived)
# I literally just did a boke
I hope you are pleased with yourself!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:27, archived)
# 3rd Full On Office LOL of the day!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:27, archived)
# Hahahaha!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:29, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:31, archived)
# Run! It's the Lords!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:40, archived)
# Yay for teh skeksis!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:42, archived)
# Totally would.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:43, archived)
# I'd at least get her to remove her dentures first:)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:46, archived)
# Poof
Half the fun is the risk of knocking them down her throat
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:49, archived)
# haha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 15:13, archived)
# Long time, no paintmash . . .
no paintmash . . .


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:21, archived)
# I waited
and was rewarded
woo!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:22, archived)
# you were waiting for a glass fo white and a croissant?


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:32, archived)
# well, initially just for the door to open
but if you're offering...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:39, archived)
# Arf!
I was trying to figure out the relevance of the shading-pieces on the door for a while there...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:22, archived)
# Just a shitey giffed up shadow
I have to use a web photomanipulator to save as gifs and whilst it doesn't shag them up like paint it's still not very good


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:25, archived)
# Pfft!
woo
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:22, archived)
# haha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:23, archived)
# Ha!
Ace! I wish our cucumber would make a fecking dash for it! I'd open the door and help it out!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:26, archived)
#
suRprised.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:32, archived)
# That cucumber has
also stolen Sonic's shoes!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:48, archived)
# :D
Nicely, sir
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:27, archived)
# ^ N I C E !
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:28, archived)
# :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:28, archived)
# Pfft!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:31, archived)
# hahahaha
nicely done sir
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:35, archived)
# arf!!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 15:03, archived)
# madly good this
love it
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 16:31, archived)
[challenge entry] Quick and very dirty
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:57, archived)
# Well, at least she seems quite happy with the proceedings.
So, that's all good, then.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:03, archived)
# But can she be milked?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:03, archived)
# Sir, I feel it is beholden upon you to at least try to find out.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:04, archived)
# I can't stop giggling
Guest just checked into my hotel, name of Cynthia Barry.
The booking system gives last name/first part of first name
so she's BARRY/CYNT. I need to get out more.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:07, archived)
# Hahaha!
Also: You're in B'ton, yes?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:08, archived)
# God I wish!
Sunny Canary Wharf - brrrrr!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:10, archived)
# Aha!
*stalks*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:15, archived)
# *celerys*
Don't ask me - I don't know.
Where be you be then squire?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:17, archived)
# *gooses*
Behind You!

Well, Bloomsbury ashually, but I frequent the Waitrose down in your neck o' the woods.
It's great for a having a cheeky glass of plonk whilst food shopping.
;-)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:20, archived)
# *SCREAMS like a woman!*
Oh Blooooomsbury, is it? How ver ver nice.
Mmmm Waitrose. I'll be getting our goose from there for Christmas.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:24, archived)
# Excellent!
Roast Dinner of Champions, that is.
And the fat makes the most superb roastie spuds.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:30, archived)
# I don't get it

* enough
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:10, archived)
# KICK HIM IN THE CUNT, BARRY!
any wiser?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:11, archived)
# It all started here:
www.b3ta.com/board/6027577#post6027579
and then, well, the rest is nonsense
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:21, archived)
# Ha!
At my old school the username protocol was the first 3 letter of the persons surname followed by the first letter of their first name. This was the case for pupils and teachers alike.

One of my teachers was called B Knowd.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:11, archived)
# hahaha!
what a wanker
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:15, archived)
# I didn't actually know you worked in a hotel.
You're just copying me now!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:11, archived)
# Your place is way out of my league
*5 stars all over yo ass*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:14, archived)
# Yes
and it's your fault for tattooing them on there.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:15, archived)
# That was no needle :¬(
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:16, archived)
# That wasn't ink!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:17, archived)
# I'm not reading this!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:24, archived)
# I'm not sure I approve of this outcome...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:37, archived)
# Are these the pics of her and Richard Gere a little later in the day?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:05, archived)
# Threadjack
Felt like posting this

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:10, archived)
# Y
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:10, archived)
# Pfft!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:11, archived)
# aww
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:39, archived)
# You know what.
I'm sure I've used that source before!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:12, archived)
# Oh yeah?
In your alone time?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:13, archived)
# No
I spend that wanking over photos of incontinent old women.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:17, archived)
# rob?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:14, archived)
# Yes. Yes it is.
*in my mind*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:16, archived)
# In his too I am sure...

...maybe not as an adult, but I'm sure the thought has crossed his mind at some point in his development.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:21, archived)
# :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:16, archived)
# *burns emabassies*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:25, archived)
# Got me one of them fancy designer fridges.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:46, archived)
# Yes but what are you going to put in the bottom compartment!:O
woos.

EDIT:
I don't know what to do. Should I:
Mini poll bar
Mini poll bar
Mini poll bar
Mini poll bar
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:47, archived)
# fanny batter
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:48, archived)
# Frozen Fanny Batter!
sounds like something Robin would say to Batman!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:50, archived)
# Pffffttt...
office lol batman
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:52, archived)
# No, that was Bruce Wayne...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:03, archived)
# He did
when they were fighting The Mighty Quim, an eskimo vagina based villian.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:54, archived)
# there should be more
vagina-based villainy in the world
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:02, archived)
# ^ What she said
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:03, archived)
# I dunno
I've met some women who were right bitches...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:07, archived)
# that's more ovaries than vaginas

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:19, archived)
# Well as long as there's room in the bottom for the pube crisper!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:55, archived)
# hahaha

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:02, archived)
# I voted Hancock,
but only in the hope that you mean The Blood Donor and not another superhero film....
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:57, archived)
# If it makes you happy I say it is.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:59, archived)
# I am glad.
If you hadn't said that, I would have felt a little prick!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:00, archived)
# *takes notes*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:03, archived)
# Don't worry it's personality that counts:P
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:04, archived)
# tiny personality
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:06, archived)
# It makes up for my massive cock.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:08, archived)
# You wish Geoff ;)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:06, archived)
# Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:07, archived)
# Watch these
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:13, archived)
# Don't you feel that this graph reveals a wonderful insight into the
group mindset of b3ta?

;-)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:16, archived)
# *giggles*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:48, archived)
# ^ Smeg

EDIT: Sorry, what I meant was "Well Done!"
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:49, archived)
# If you mix up smeg with well done
please never ever compliment me!!!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:56, archived)
# The fridge is a SMEG
the post is Well Done!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:02, archived)
# Arf!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:51, archived)
# You can keep this in it
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:56, archived)
# haha

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:01, archived)
# History time!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:43, archived)
# Hahaha
Holy Hobnobs ftw!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:45, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
Yay for Pope Digestove II!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:45, archived)
# Yay winter saves the day for biscuits eating
although I shall not recant my Catholicism!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:45, archived)
# HISTORY!!!!!
hehehehe
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:46, archived)
# *wants biscuits*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:46, archived)
# "Aw poot. We're skint."
Hahahahaha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:47, archived)
# FACT!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:50, archived)
# hahahaha
brill
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:07, archived)
# *drops physics and starts history degree*
hahahaha

woo
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:12, archived)
# leave the band wagon!


join the Greek riot police, action guaranteed!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:41, archived)
# i wish i was as clever as you
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:42, archived)
# what's going on here?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:42, archived)
# But it's on a double yellow line!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:43, archived)
# only in greece!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:46, archived)
[challenge entry] *drops a clanger*


EDIT: Also, there was talk down the board of an article written by Mr Postgate in 2003, published in The Guardian today again.

Here it is: www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/10/postgate-bagpuss-animation-television
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:32, archived)
# Aw, I like that
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:36, archived)
# Thank you :D
I wasn't sure whether people would take it the wrong way.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:37, archived)
# \o
I have been known to take it the wrong way - do I get a prize?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:39, archived)
# Pearoasting


Edit: That Grauniad bit made me just love him a litttle bit more. I thank him for my childhood.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:07, archived)
# I just got this in my bloody head again thanks to this pic!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:15, archived)
# wow that just never stopped clanging
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:36, archived)
# GREAT, I LOVE POST !!!!
Topical tribute + anagram challenge all in one!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:51, archived)
# Cheers :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:01, archived)
# See waht I did there?
post = tops, tops = post, anagrams....aghh forget it!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:14, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
I got what you were doing, don't worry ;)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:18, archived)
# Poor old Oliver.
Mind if I slip this pea in?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:10, archived)
# Not in the slightest :)
Nicely done!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:12, archived)
#

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:27, archived)
# Who you gonna' call?
Ghostbuster Vanity.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# Gaaah
ghosts!

*frights*

Looks in mirror

*frights more*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# Silly ghost!
Windows is not mirrors!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:30, archived)
# What?
You mean I don't look like the next doors house?!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:31, archived)
# What's wrong with looking like next doors house?
You racist.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:32, archived)
# Coz it's a cunt.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:33, archived)
# True
*burns embassy*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:34, archived)
# *bums embassy*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:34, archived)
# *DAs B&H*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:36, archived)
# Only from under the counter though.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:38, archived)
# Of course.
We wouldn't want to go breaking any laws now, would we?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:39, archived)
# ...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:40, archived)
# ror?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:42, archived)
# ?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:45, archived)
# that computer's made a complete error of himself
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# Cool!
*phones Derek Acorah*

Woo!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# MEHDEH YVIE!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:30, archived)
# what's that Sam?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:31, archived)
# IT IS ME!
I AM HERE!

*lunges for Yvee's tits*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:33, archived)
# Ooooooh, you're an evil man.
YOU RAPED THEM.

(not you)

Right, I've got to go and do work. Consider yourselves loved and left.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:34, archived)
# In that case
Consider yourself obsessed over and stalked.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:35, archived)
# \o/
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# Why is it always raining in your images?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:29, archived)
# Cuz I draw them outside.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:29, archived)
# Oh... OK... Thanks
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:31, archived)
# you need a nice comfy dungeon . . .


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:34, archived)
# AGH!
8|
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:48, archived)
# I didn't think they let you outside?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:39, archived)
# I have a leash.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:48, archived)
# UNLEASH THE LEASH!!!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:53, archived)
# Oi!
*jealouses*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:36, archived)
# Ghost squirrels! With tits!
:D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:30, archived)
# yay!
I've read "error" too many times. It just doesn't look right now.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:30, archived)
# I hate it when that happens
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:32, archived)
# O_O
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:32, archived)
# Hooray!
Spooks in the spokes!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:40, archived)
# Evolution of Mona Lisa
Yesterday someone posted a link to the results of a project to draw the Mona Lisa with 50 polygons using genetic programming.

I was just curious to see how it looked as a GIF animation so here it is...

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:25, archived)
# is it for a game?
/ac
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:26, archived)
# Yes
Mona Lisa: Vice City.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:27, archived)
# i really really really really really like this
it's massoff woo
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:26, archived)
# low polly?
£33K?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:26, archived)
# Go make the fucking tea tea boy!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:30, archived)
# This is bloody woo yay and houplah!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# That's nifty.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:34, archived)
# It's neat, but if there's no limit on the number of sides to each polygon
then the limit of 50 polygons is fairly meaningless.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:20, archived)
# I bet this has already been done. You people disgust me.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
# ^ I bet he would
* Doesn't really understand

EDIT: Oh, now I see
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:19, archived)
# That was all made for £100 apparently.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:20, archived)
# In old money.
That's worth £1m in today's money - £2m in tomorrow's.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:21, archived)
# something about euros?
the board is acting odd today, I shall bog off and go to lunch
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:24, archived)
# Pippin's way of changing facial expression was to change heads of which he had 3 - pictured below:


These facial expressions were:
"Oh don't go", "What are you going to do with that" and "Whoa Nelly!"

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# *delurks*
*deposits 5 second paint job*


news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7774287.stm

*relurks/runs*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:16, archived)
# LOL!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:16, archived)
# ^ Hole

EDIT: Sorry, what I meant was "Well Done!"
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:16, archived)
# pfft
where has that come from?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:27, archived)
# 5 second rep
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:17, archived)
# *giggles*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
# seams!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
[challenge entry] Oh dear God.
Might as well chuck this shit here, then, for the fuck of it...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
# haha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:25, archived)
# Well, whilst we're on the subject:
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:27, archived)
#
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:32, archived)
# This could run and run...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:41, archived)
# Haha!
:D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 14:37, archived)
# God
I just licked the screen when I saw that

*pops off for a mars bar*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:27, archived)
# pffft
*wants milky way*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:19, archived)
# Haha!
Slapdash plonking of one image over another ftw!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:20, archived)
# \o/
I'm saving all my pretty and well crafted images for thesis*.

*Thesis may not contain any pretty or well crafted images.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:31, archived)
# chuckles
more please
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 16:35, archived)
# Apparently it's always raining in my images, and there aren't any happy sunbeams.
So have some winter fun:

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:07, archived)
# How quaint!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:07, archived)
# Why is it always sunny in your images?
sunny
snowy
grassy


Oh sod it "Why is it always raining in your images?"
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:07, archived)
# Pfft!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:08, archived)
# Hahahahaha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:10, archived)
# yay robots
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:08, archived)
# *shields face from screen*
ARG --- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo the light - it burns IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUURRNS
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# EXCELLENT
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:11, archived)
# EXCELLENT
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:14, archived)
# Don't look at the beautiful light....
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:16, archived)
# Yeah you fucking emo!
woo.

EDIT: In other news. Yays. I just had scrummy baked potato and cheese!
\o/
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# \o/
Needs more beans
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:13, archived)
# I am considering if I should have either chicken broth or pea and ham soup to finish me meal off.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:14, archived)
# Beer.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:15, archived)
# It's my day off and I was considering a glass of wine later:)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:16, archived)
# poncy git
Which wine?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
# Mine:P
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
# you can't just piss in a glass and call it wine
you have to let it ferment for a bit first
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# I have magic wee!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:33, archived)
# I just had spicy tomato soup
now I crave chocolate
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:14, archived)
# I had tattys and am now craving soup:)
What the hell...


...What are you having for lunch today b3ta.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:15, archived)
# YUM
I just had reheated chinese :)

I think his name was Shao Jian
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:17, archived)
# hahaha
I was thinking the same before I got to the last line:P

EDIT: How is mini trelly doing?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:19, archived)
# All sniffly and snuffly bless her
Was supposed to be taking her to a tumble tots type thing today which I've had to cancel. Although I think I'm more disappointed about it ;)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:28, archived)
# I have no idea what a tumble tot is
Are stunt men involved?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:29, archived)
# Heh
Robot olympics
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:10, archived)
# Hurrah!



(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:17, archived)
# Why have we not seen any more of your little waving friends lately?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:18, archived)
# too busty



(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:19, archived)
# ^ Sperm!

EDIT: Sorry, what I meant was "Well Done!"
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:21, archived)
# Hooray!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:19, archived)
# YAAAY!
All manner of joy and happy to be found here. Splendid :)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:21, archived)
# Full time whistle for Mr Postgate
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:01, archived)
# hehe
I want one!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:02, archived)
# have a Danger Mouse instead
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# That is rather good too
As a wandering co-worker also commented
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# Crumbs!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:06, archived)
# I cannot express in words quite how much I want one of these
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:06, archived)
# Does it sound something like
BLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! ?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:31, archived)
# *buys twelvty*
Burtons are selling Baron Greenback t-shirts now.

But they have that really irritating 'washed-out' look to make people think it's really old
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# I haven't seen a Burtons in ages!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# They'res till around
selling cheap suits, tight jeans and hilarious slogan t-shirts

AND carigans!

I must have missed the meeting where hip and trendy twentysomethings decided that cardigans were fashionable again
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:12, archived)
# I had a cardigan type thingy a few years ago
and I loved it. However, it wasn't one of those stupidly low neckline things the kids are wearing round my way!

I just went to their website, they are proper cheap now!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:15, archived)
# Bless you, sir
Lovely. have a *click*

And I'm going to whore this one out again:



(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:02, archived)
# Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww to both of these
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# Oh that's beautiful.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# Ah!
s'nice
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# bless
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:04, archived)
# Oh yeah that's really 'on message' isn't it?
;)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# Bad Prodge!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# sorry :)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# hahahahahaha!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# Pffffttt...
I shouldn't laugh... but I did.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:07, archived)
# hahahahaha
I love this but only because our fucking mice are back after two years trouble free living
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# Where did they go
for their trouble free living?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:46, archived)
# I saw that on the pop page last night!
Tres Woo sir!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:04, archived)
# I do love that a lot
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# you there:
www.b3ta.com/board/9011272

had you, perchance, read the Grunidad today? They have a very wonderful article written by Oliver on pages 1 & 2.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:08, archived)
# You utter star, sir.
Thank you. I had a very sad day yesterday after hearing the news.

Someone put it rather well by saying "I feel that the last piece of my childhood died when I heard of his death".
Edit: Vulthoom, it was. I badly paraphrased him, too - and for that, apologies.
Quite so.

:'(
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:10, archived)
# indeed
I didn't know until I sat down for lunch and a coffee with the paper and I am all at once rather seriously down... this few paragraphs he wrote in 2003 were exceedingly good perfectly crystallised what's wrong with children's television today and what it should be about but isn't
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:14, archived)
# he finished it by saying something along the lines of
"... were I a Martian invader and I wanted to overthrow the human race I would start with the young people by taking imagination and story telling out of the things they like -- "
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:17, archived)
# I shall avail myself of a copy at lunchtime.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:17, archived)
# that's smashin' :)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:04, archived)
# Awww...
I'll roll this one out again then 'cos I rather like it...

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:04, archived)
# how nice
I'm pretty sad about the whole thing... especially as he was so soundly neglected once children's TV decided moronic shite was the way to go.

:(

woosome
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:04, archived)
# I had a 'throwing dinner at the radio' moment last night
When bloody Floella (sp?) Benjamin was banging on about how wonderful she was in Play School, completely missing the point about what genius Firmin & Postgate had. Silly witch.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:08, archived)
# Somehow
I can't see in 20 years time people going out and buying the complete series of Barney or High School Musical on DVD

/doesn't know what shit kids TV is on these days
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:11, archived)
# I'm still fucking here
rolling cigarettes.

Big Cook Little Cook, Sorry I Have no Head- both bloody excellent.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:15, archived)
# I saw Spoof on saturday
that was suprisingly good, and a hundred times better than anything on BBC3
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:29, archived)
# Fucking brilliant.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# And I was like 'no way!' and she was like 'uh huh...WAY'...

Alt text to finish the story.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:54, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
Nicely!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:57, archived)
# woah
/Keaneuueeu
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:57, archived)
# also - is Grunty about?
I wish to offer my condolences with regard the sad passing of Oliver Postgate
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:57, archived)
# THEY MIGHT DO ANOTHER B+T
hopefully. Keanu was talking about it.

Fuck me, I'd dry hump everything in the world in gleeful anticipation.

Smoking time for real now.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:00, archived)
# don't tease me wench
if you're making this up I'll hunt you down and exact my warm revenge
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:01, archived)
# Here, this is all I know. Now let me go for me bloody ciggie.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# Okay then
enjoy it sweetie beans.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# That would be awesome!
Did you know, as I never did, that Alex Winter was born in London? That there is a fact!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:07, archived)
# Oooh.
Aren't they a bit implausibly wrinkly by now?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:04, archived)
# They're in their forties, so not really, no.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:05, archived)
# "we came up with this idea of the characters in their forties"
cunning.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:06, archived)
# for all he is often dismissed as a dreadful actor
Kanoo has made some great films and seems like a really nice bang up sort.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:06, archived)
# He's lovely, apparently. A friend of mine used to work in the biz
and she's met him a few times. According to her he's really quite intelligent, just a complete stoner, and very patient.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:08, archived)
# \o/
this makes me happy like this

:D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:11, archived)
# He was just playing hard to get
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# FUCKMETHATSFAST
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# OH YEAH!
pump pump squirt
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# dirty boy
won't someone think of the children
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:24, archived)
# *thinks of the children*
pump pump squirt
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# ha ha... This
Office lol
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:27, archived)
# That is so
Cyanide and Happiness
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:57, archived)
# Lightning mario!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# Hahaha
Apebumrape ftw!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:24, archived)
# *brain asplodes*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# FASTER!!!!!!!!11
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:33, archived)
# WHY ARE YOU ON DAYSHIFT!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:33, archived)
# im going out in a sec
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:34, archived)
# what...OUTSIDE?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:35, archived)
# yes
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:36, archived)
# Good!
Now don't come back till it is dark outside ;)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:38, archived)
# >:(
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:40, archived)
# So, in 5 minutes time?
*doesn't like short days*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:48, archived)
# Hahahaha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:50, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# your name is phi
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# Erm
Posting pictures of a regular boarder in the nuddy is not really okay.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# Sadly she is not on line at the moment ;¬(
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# Who isn't?

Teat Pope Hut?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# Kate is not on my msn.
That said, I may just be hated ;¬(
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# Oh shit, is that a B3tard?
this is why I dont post naked pictures of myself on the tintersplut. Anymore.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:17, archived)
# To be fair, it is a good anagram and it's a picture she posted herself elsewhere,
but it's a bit rude still.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# crikey
top up the toilet

edit: now poor TUTT is suffering from pixellated torso disease
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# It's a common affliction
i find best remidied by pressing 'hide'
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# Hi Kate. Put some knickers on, pet.
Also, she best fucking be aware you've posted this.

Oh, Wormulus is online. Good good.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# Bwahahahahaha!
Edit: Also - damn straight on your edit, ma'am. That would be a tad rude.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# fwaps a little and then shouts...

N S F W !
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# I say!
Ms Tea, you really shouldn't let paparazzi into the toilet with you.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:18, archived)
# she ain't going to be pleased
*checks flickr
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# ^What all of them said
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# O_o


...and by the sounds of things that's the least of your problems.

EDIT oh great, thanks, now I have to adblock it all over again.

NSFW is NSFW even if it's pasted into a Daily Mail template.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# I'm sorry
I do not understand
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# 'shopping boarders without consent is punishable by death
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:26, archived)
# and jam.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:27, archived)
# :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:28, archived)
# You didn't ask my permission there....
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:28, archived)
# I was thinking just the same there:P
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:29, archived)
# I must say
you're a master of disguise when out and about with us ordinary folk.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:31, archived)
# I just strap on the fat suit and ugly mask and away I go
keeps the autograph hunters at bay
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:36, archived)
# Tch. There's nothing wrong with you either.
Captain's Ego Massage is open for business, all.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:37, archived)
# my ego is located in my pants
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:38, archived)
# Mine's in your pants as well.
Can I have it back, please?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:40, archived)
# not til I've raped the shit out of it
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:40, archived)
# How did it get covered in shit
in the first place?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:56, archived)
# *shouts pantwards* THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU
£1200, please.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:40, archived)
# you obviously haven't looked closely
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:44, archived)
# Actually I had a totally different idea
what this site might look like.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:00, archived)
# which one's you?
*edit* I tried not to show your norks
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:32, archived)
# You bad man!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:33, archived)
# Seriously, I don't know
I've never knowingly met a B3TARD in the flesh
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:34, archived)
# He's got the body of one and the name of the other . . .
*scarpers*


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:34, archived)
# *writing this all down*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:39, archived)
# /guy on the left shares my real name
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:37, archived)
# ah ok
it's all clear now
*stalks*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:38, archived)
# hahahaha!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:32, archived)
# Awww, you seem to be enjoying that Ice Cream, though...
;-)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:35, archived)
# Nicely shopped.
Assuming she wasn't on the toilet to start with.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:27, archived)
# Pinching someone's flickr images and posting them as your own is frowned upon in these parts.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:30, archived)
# Once more...
...AdBlock saves me for raging spackers like you.

Yes it was pixelated; bit fucking deal. If my boss had seen that from across the room, would it have looked pixelated? No. Of course not you shitting cunt.

The redundancies being announced tomorrow are bad enough, I don't need to add summary dismissal to my worries as well.

Now link that as NSFW or fuck off.

/edit
Re-your edit: No, that is not any better you flipping arse. Link it. MOD! Ban this sick filth, please!

*re-fluffs*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:30, archived)
# please grow up...cheers

posting a picture of a regular is not big or clever
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:31, archived)
# Posting pictures of people who just come here now and then is ok then?
:P
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:34, archived)
# "Squirrels with tits" are here regularly...
Does that mean we cant post them any more?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:39, archived)
# I thought....
...pictures of Rob violating kittens (or whatever) were OK though. or have I misunderstood "Teh Roolz"?

Again.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:34, archived)
# That's different
Rob isn't real. He's an amalgam of spare layers in photoshop
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:36, archived)
# I'm sure Rob said it was ok...

asking for permission = good
not asking = bad

science!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:36, archived)
# ^ What that wise man said.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:40, archived)
# But...
...science killed Jesus!

Didn't it? :-S
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:41, archived)
# that was hammers
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:45, archived)
# flaming shitty ones
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:47, archived)
# What... not even if it is for the compo?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:37, archived)
# Cigarettes to be sold from under the counter
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:55, archived)
# another god awful waste of time and money
Thanks Government!
Way to put newsagents out of business
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:55, archived)
# I am not sure it will put newsagents out of business.
There is fuck all profit on snout at any rate.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:57, archived)
# But its the other stuff
you go in for fags and buy a paper, magazine, drink etc
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:01, archived)
# But you still will,
it'll just not be on the wall?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
# Depending on the magazine you may buy some tissues as well:p
'ningles all.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# Caravan Monthly
*fwaps*

ningles ghosty!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:26, archived)
# Phoar!
or The Wippet Digest!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:28, archived)
# Well, they have let the Supermarkets kill / squeeze out
the pubs, and highstreet butcher baker hardware shop, I see it as the next logical step, I mean why would I want a shop on my high street?


Arrrrggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:59, archived)
# Smokers:
Scum. Subhuman scum.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:02, archived)
# i respectfully disagroove
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# *lights up*
*blows smoke in your face*
*laughs*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:12, archived)
# Watch your Alan Partridge video.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# Nice.
I actually approve - the massive cartons serve as excellent advertising and this makes the law fair and sensible.

Of course, that said, I want a world where they don't vilify smoking in the first place and having a fag is not evil, just fun.

Why am I living in the future already? no drinking on the tube, no cigarettes, what the fuck was the point in all the years of fighting oppressive regimes if we just have one from here and take over?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:57, archived)
# Hmmm...
I think your definition of "opressive" might be a bit wide...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:02, archived)
# I can see no excuse for banning personal behaviour which does not affect others.
Unruly behaviour by drunk people should not reflect upon all people who drink, any more than a Chinaman robbing the Post Office means all Chinamen should be arrested.

Preventing individuals from doing things which do not have a negative affect on others is oppression.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:05, archived)
# john stuart mill
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:10, archived)
# Of his own free will?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:10, archived)
# Drank half a pint of shandy as was particularly ill?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:11, archived)
# Plato, they say
could stick it away.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:13, archived)
# Half a crate of Whiskey every day...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# aristotle aristotle
was a bugger for the bottle
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# and Hobbes was fond of a dram
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# and renee descartes was a drunken fart!
'I drink therefore I am!'
OI!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:17, archived)
# Socrates himself is particularly missed...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:18, archived)
# ...on account of being continually pissed

/set em up knock em down
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:31, archived)
# Well, partly.
But you're assuming that Mill is correct.

And, at least here, I don't think he is.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:11, archived)
# i'm of the liberal school
i think that the oppression of viewpoints,actions and ideals is always negative,as it robs the future of serious debate and impinges on the rights of the individual.
i see the freedom of the individual and responsibility going hand-in-hand,so that the individual can choose what he does rather than be todl what he can and cannot do.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# Ah-ha
I'm more of an anti-liberal.

You're right to say that opression is wrong - but that's trivial, because the important question has to do with deciding what is oppressive to begin with.

You're also assuming that there's such a thing as a right - something that Mill never claims, incidentally. I'm suspicious of the notion of rights, for metaphysical, epistemological and historical reasons. I can make much more sense of the notion of duties or responsibilities - but, even then, it's wholly formal, and we'd still need to know what they are.

But then again, I'm an irremediable Kant.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# you're correct,a 'right' has no real existence.it is conceptual.
we do have a duty to our state (if you advocate paternalism)
but i believe the individual should act as he likes as long as he DOES NO ACTIVE HARM to another.all actions have consequences,and i feel smokers should take pains to only fuck themselves up,not anyone else (like kids).
but I ABSOLUTELY ADVOCATE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# Nope.
Paternalism does not mean that we have duties to anyone.

Your claim about liberty has a problem of normativity, though. For example, I used to climb the fireguard as a child. This was what I wanted to do, and I was harming noone else. Nor would I have harmed anyone by continuing to do so. However, I don't think my parents wronged me by removing me therefrom.

So it would appear that some violations of strict liberty might not be problematic. The problem you then have is one of determining where the line is to be drawn between the problematic and the non-problematic. I'm not sure that it can be done.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:30, archived)
# mill thought of this
he stated that the harm principal did not apply to children and people of less-developed nations.his phraseology,not mine.
and,as i said,i advocate choice,intelligent choice as the only way forward.the individual must take responsibility for his own actions.it is deferred responsibility that is ruining the western world.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:34, archived)
# I know Mill thought of this
But he doesn't provide a satisfactory answer that I can see. And he didn't talk about less-developed nations. He talked about barbarians and nations in their "nonage" (On Liberty, ch. 1).

I don't understand the leap you've made to the Spenglerian point about the decline of the west. It seems to have nothing to do with anything that anyone's said here hitherto.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:42, archived)
# Not necessarily.
You need some account of their entitlement to do that action as well, and of the intention of the person putting the difficulties in place. If there's no right to smoke, then it being more difficult to do so, or to sell cigarettes, is not really oppressive. And there is no such right.

Moreover, the intention behind a lot of the hurdles to smoking is beneficence-based. That, too, undermines claims to oppression, doesn't it?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:11, archived)
# Wha? Everything we could do has to be laid out in law somewhere before it becomes wrong to interfere with it?
Positive rights suck ass.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# That's not what I said.
Read the shapes I made with my keyboard and words.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# I bet it is what you said anyway
but I'll give it a go.
Edit: since you say below you don't like the concept of a right, perhaps what you're saying here is that there are no rights to anything, and therefore there is never any oppression. This leaves me in the dark about what you think there is.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# I'm much happier with talk of responsibilities
... or of actions, laws, restrictions and so on that are kata ton orthon logon: in accordance with reason.

There's more to moral debate than appeals to rights. I don't think that such appeals to rights help; I suspect they get in the way of clarity.

The absence of rights doesn't mean that liberty is meaningless; nor does it mean that there's no such thing as oppression. Why should it?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:54, archived)
# So why is a law that interferes with smoking not oppressive?
You mentioned the intent (it's for the smokers' own good), but is it at least unfair? Do you have no principle against coercing people for their own good? How would fines for hang-gliding shape up? Very bad for you, hang-gliding, lots of broken limbs, no merit other than enjoyment.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:02, archived)
# No.
I think that there is a right to behave in accordance to personal wishes where that does not negatively impact others.

Tobacco is a readily available plant - if an individual wishes to burn it and inhale it I can imagine no possible defence for preventing this.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# I think it does negatively impact on others.
If someone lights up in front of me when i'm walking down the road I have to make sure i'm not down wind as i think cigarette smoke stinks like fuck. When spending evenings in pubs/gig venues/peoples houses where there are smokers I invariably end up leaving with a sore throat and smelling like an ashtray.

You would complain if I farted in your face so I respectfully ask you to keep your noxious fumes out of mine.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:26, archived)
# No, I would not complain if you farted.
This is because I understand that everyone is different and that other enjoy things which I do not.

I do not smoke, but I resent the fact that being a minority makes it a target.

A slight odour does not count as significant discomfort for others.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:30, archived)
# The significance of the discomfort
need not be a consideration.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:36, archived)
# Well, to go back to JSM, if I may
offense is not harm
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:42, archived)
# Well, that's not clear.
Mill thinks that it isn't. I'm not so sure - and by this I do mean that I don't know. I've been toying with the idea of writing something on offensiveness for a while now.

Whether or not it is, though, you're presupposing that it's the outcome of an action that makes the difference. It might be that you can be wronged without being harmed at all, or that any harm is wrong to the same extent, and that the degree thereof is a mere detail.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:47, archived)
# Indeed, I agree with the theory
but I have personally addressed the questions and believe that the level of offence and harm IS important.

Aside from this, I believe that intent, rather than effect, is the governing factor in behaviour, but that does not apply to this argument.

Lunch, however, does.

Cheerio!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:51, archived)
# Christ!
Lunchtime already!

T'ra!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:55, archived)
# I am happy for people to enjoy smoking
but being in a smoky environment does diminish my enjoyment of an evening.

It's not targeted because it's a minority, jugglers are a minority but they're not targeted. It's targeted because it's not good for you or the people around you. Or do you doubt that second hand smoke is dangerous?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:40, archived)
# I doubt that second hand smoke in a unenclosed environment
is measurably detrimental to your health.

Yes.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:43, archived)
# That was a wonderful answer to a question I didn't ask.
A fine politician you'll make.

I agree mind you on the point that it isn't harmful in open air. Yet to your original point I still feel a negative impact is still there.

You've gone from negative impact to significant discomfort to harm. These are not synonyms. Smoking in the open air indeed may not harm me but I do say it has a negative impact. Smoking inside does harm and cause significant discomfort. Which effect would you like to argue?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:03, archived)
# Racists are negatively impacted by blacks.
I am talking about smoking in unconfined spaces or alone. I am talking about harm.

My answer perfectly matches the question you asked in the context of the thread. It may not have matched the question which you intended to ask, but I cannot reasonably be expected to make inferences based upon oblique implications.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:33, archived)
# Walking around is dangerous, you might barge into somebody.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:44, archived)
# So in summary, let's ban farting.
Everybody must wear some kind of gas-filtering nappy, by law. The police will perform routine checks to make sure we are wearing our nappies. Cans of beans, which must by law be unattractive, will carry large labels stating "this food WILL cause flatulence", and somewhere underneath, in smaller print, "baked beans". They will be heavily taxed. This will make the world a better place.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:36, archived)
# This would be good for some people I know.
but i think we're safe just sticking to the generally accepted social convention that it's not polite to fart in someone's face.

That's all that I would ask of smokers, a little consideration for those non-smokers around you.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:47, archived)
# Aha!
Now, consideration is an issue here, not smoking.

There are twats out there - they need to be stopped, but lumping all smokers in with the arseholes is not reasonable at all.

'Some smokers are idiots. Ban smoking!'

'Someone used paint to write on a wall. Ban all paint!'
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:53, archived)
# I would still rather see smoking disappear entirely.
but one has both ideals to reach for and realistic goals.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:09, archived)
# I'd like to see golf disappear entirely.
Our opinions on other people's hobbies are worthless. Except of course that smokers tend to be irrational, perhaps more so than golfers. This much I can say with confidence is a bad thing. Whether rational smoking is good or bad ... well, I've never found cigarettes appealing. I've also never found avocados appealing. I'm not confident in my ability to say whether these things are good or bad for other people, I suspect the issues may be too complex.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:26, archived)
# Expecting consideration is perfectly reasonable
(Being perfectly reasonable is considerate. Blargh, tautologies.)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:54, archived)
# Hmmm...
I just have no time for the concept of a right.

Actually, there's more than that. I simply can't make sense of it. I'll happily embrace a lot of what's defended by an appeal to rights as a good thing - but that doesn't make the defence any more reliable, and there're better ways to skin those particular cats.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:33, archived)
# I like this post
for it is informative and thought-provoking without being condescending

I will vote for it in the forthcoming election
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:19, archived)
# :)
*takes bow*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# Or it's "intervention".
People apparently want the government to turn their friends and neighbours into better behaved, more sensible people, and that's why we have all this crap. Because the attitude that it's alright for everyone to apply mild coercion to everyone else is widespread. Policies are to some extent the fault of the public, since the government studies our opinions to see what we'll swallow.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# I've got my CCTV set up
so I can spy on the neighbours to see if they're watching TV ads for alcohol

while I have a wank
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# Every one must comply?
It worries me that anyone would think that was a good thing.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# I dunno...
there must be some attraction to it. Dictators keep popping up.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:31, archived)
# People do definitely buy them on a whim, though, so I can see how keeping them out of sight would work.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:57, archived)
# That nicotine's certainly a bit moreish...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:59, archived)
# "Kick that nicotine whim!"
with Whimorette!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:00, archived)
# Pffft
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:02, archived)
# It's a lot like that nice heroin you get these days
I find one is never enough....
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:01, archived)
# If I've not had my morning cup I'm just not right...!
cup armful
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
#
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:02, archived)
# *tries crack*
*sues*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
# *tries Sue's crack*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# and for the politically minded - one on Boris Johnson's most recent troubles
"Boris, How do you want your eggs, fried or boiled?..
or on your face as usual."


blog and archive
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:57, archived)
# Brilliant!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:00, archived)
# nicely squire
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
# Oh that's SMASHING!
Woo!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# Ahhh hahahaha
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# I don't smoke but I find this annoying
afterall the whole point of putting cigs on display is that you can see the price!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:58, archived)
# I do not smoke cigarettes, but it is shit.
What is the score with not being able to smoke in open spaces, such as open rail platforms, parks, hospital grounds and so on?

Why the fuck gives anyone the right to dictate what others do to themselves?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:00, archived)
# You have not come to terms with the fact that
democracy and freedom is a facade and in actual fact we are property of the state!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
# is it that strict over there?
here smoking in public is within open spaces and im fine with it.

though idon't want to be in a lift with someone smoking
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# aside from anything else, smoking in open spaces such as you describe,
leads to extra cleaning, as very often bins are not provided, and even if they are, there's still
a high amount of smokers who drop and stomp their butts anywhere they like.
Irrespective of anything else, at least it helps reduce part of the litter problem they cause.
Mind you, this is a minor point in the grand scheme of things
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# Last time I went to the station I saw a little boy vomit on the stairs.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:05, archived)
# Drunk again - the youth of today!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# Ban this sick filth.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
#
filth


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Was he fined?
Was he made to pick it up?
Was he abused by passers by?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Scampered off onto the train.
Git.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# BAN THOSE CHILDREN!!
put them under the counter
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# Littering is the problem there,
not smoking.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# Fair point...
But when, in the absence of a bin withing a couple of metres, did you last see a smoker stub out his cigarette and take the butt away for disposal later?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# no, smoking is fine, but the butts often cause the litter
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# Indeed.
I have no problem with punishing littering, but find the idea that banning smoking is the way to stop fag buts, rather than enforcing the ban on dropping them.

Let's ban all streets - that'll stop street crime.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:12, archived)
# Start with Street in Somerset.
Clark's Village for the ultimate, cacophonous loss.

/West Country obscurity
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# I went to school in Street
/Millfield boy
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:24, archived)
# I thought Clark's Village was hell on earth
but then I went to the new Westfield last week and found the hidden layer of hell
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:25, archived)
# I am full to the brim with excuses not to go there.
I only have to use them a couple of times a year, but it was a decent investment nevertheless.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 13:47, archived)
# Well -
I've not heard of it being banned in parks or open rail platforms. Any links?

Hospital grounds banning smoking, though, seems to me not to be unreasonable, what with hospitals being about health, an' all...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# Railway platforms count as enclosed spaces.
There's certainly signs up.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# If a relative of mine dies in hospital and someone tries to stop me having a ciggie outside the hospital
it'll be bloody dangerous for their health.

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# This.
Find me some documentation on the health affects of smoking.

I think that statistically smoking over 20 a day reduces the life span by 2 years?

Compare this to car related issues - why do we allow ambulances to drive on hospital grounds? We should ban CDs TODAY - they are made with plastics.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:10, archived)
# I'm currently watching my dad go through a rather awful bout of treatment for Hepatitis C
(he may have got this due to blood transfusions/shots in the Army, so another aside to this comment is to ask you if you've been tested for it).

He drank for years and years, which didn't help it, and really fucked things up for a long time. Cirrohsis, for one.

Are they going to demonise alcohol? Are they bollocks.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:13, archived)
# Its alraedy started
but on a much smaller scale

I reckon we will see tv ads for alcohol banned in our lifetime
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# I want to see ads for TVs banned in alcohol
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:20, archived)
# 20 minutes on the tube
is equivelent of smoking two fags in terms of the carconegins you inhale
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# Probably more like 19 for me.
Why is it I'm always stood/sitting next to The Man With All The Aftershave In The World On?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# That's a specious comparison, and you know it.
But let's take it at face value. Maybe some lives would not be ended by ambulances if there were none. But a lot of people would be made worse off directly.

Now perform the same thought-experiment with cigarettes. Not quite the same result.

Look: of course there's a trade-off to be made. But noone'd deny that. And since smoking does nothing at all to promote health, and ambulances do quite a bit, it's clear which way the trade should go on that one.


The actual measure of the harm of smoking isn't all that important here, I don't think. It's just a matter of a body the function of which is to improve health deciding not to facilitate an activity that diminishes it. No biggie.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# smoking prevents alzheimers
i'd rather have lung cancer and know who the hell i am
than be eight years old again at the age of ninety
FACT
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# nonsense
get Alzheimer's - then you can forget you've got lung cancer

/logic blog
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# Hmmm...
That's a different question, though, innit?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:23, archived)
# It is?
Or is it just a question which is hard for you to answer?

Ignore Ambulances - let's go with cars instead?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:28, archived)
# No, really...
It's a different matter. I dig hard questions.

EDIT: OK, let's go with the car thing. I don't see your point.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:37, archived)
# Cars are more dangerous than fags.
Why ban fags when you can ban cars?

Non essential journeys are just to make you happier - which is what fags are for . . .
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:55, archived)
# Ah, but you've shifted the debate...
... Noone proposed banning fags; that's not what the issue here was. Here, we were concerned with banning smoking in some places. Applying that principle to cars - that they should be banned in some places as well, seems straightforward...
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:58, archived)
# rail platforms are now work spaces
even the big long open ones, i got caught out at cambridge platform 5 shortly after the ban came in, just chipped the fag and nothing further was said
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Well it's true any public space smoking is illegal
Bus Stops, Parks, Railway Platforms (open or otherwise) saying that there isn't much enforcement.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# All stations have smoking bans.
Hospitals are places to make you well. Smoking a cigarette, if you are a smoker, is not an individual health issue, it is in fact a bad idea to try and give up during a time when you are under physical stress.

Also, if you have smoked for your whole life and then go to hospital because you are dying of MS, how lovely it is that not being able to smoke in the grounds makes your last days wank as well?

(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# Unlike my local corner shop...
where the prices seem only to be a 'guide' for how much one actually gets charged.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:01, archived)
# Bloody this!
My local corner shop has just decided that if you buy fags on a card you'll get charged 70p more!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:04, archived)
# WOW!
Fags onna card!? Like . . . 'Happy 16th birthday! Spark one up!'

Ace!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# Fucking students!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:18, archived)
# Yeah, make it even naughtier.
That won't get kids smoking at all.

Fuck off Mr Government, I'll quit when I want to.


*is not referring to BBD as Mr Government.*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:01, archived)
# I've got an idea
lets put every packet of fags in a locked safe and everytime you want a smoke you have to apply to your local MP for one.

If you get past that stage yopu then are submitted to a Dragon's Den style interrogation in which your need for a cigarette is assessed.

You recieve a final decision two weeks later informing you if your application for a cigarette has been approved.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:05, archived)
# Sensible Policies For A Better Britain
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# I already want to belt my local MP, don't make him my ciggie nazi too.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:06, archived)
# I had visions of them being held in some ruined temple like the Hovitos fertility statue
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Hovis fertility statues!?
ewww!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:11, archived)
# You Throw Me The Marlboros, I throw you the Whip!
:D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# hahaha, yes :)
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# Or we could let shops and pubs and clubs apply for licenses to sell and allow smoking on the premesis.
What?

Oh.

*wanders off*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# *flying hugby tackles*
You feeling any better today, lovely?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:05, archived)
# Yes, although I've got hiccups now as I was nomming down my sandwich with terminal ferocity
*hungry*

*hugs*

How's you?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# In need of coffee.
And a Pret Chocolate Brownie.
And some Orange Juice.
and a Smoked Salmon & Cream Cheese sandwich on brown, black pepper, and a little bit of lemon, please.

/missed breakfast...

Edit: *HUUUUUUGGGGGSSSSSSSS*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:13, archived)
# Chocolate. Oooh you naughty, I'd forgotten it existed.
I'm off to the machine.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:15, archived)
# *gets Cap'n inna headlock*
QUIT! QUIT NOW!

DO IT!


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:05, archived)
# Not on your or anyone else's nelly.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:08, archived)
# i'm outraged
i've a good mind to stop travelling over to the continent to buy my tobacco a couple of times a year and start buying it for 3 times as much here instead.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:02, archived)
# Hahahahaha all of this
*orders several bales of Golden Virgina and a few boxes of blue skins*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:03, archived)
# Bloody good point.
*just realises he's nearly out of duty-frees*

Argh!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Can I order 200 Embassy No 1s
Some pornographic playing cards, some absinthe and a flick-knife?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# The ultimate French Shopping list for the British....
*chuckles madly to self*
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:16, archived)
# :D
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:19, archived)
# hahahaha
and bangers, you forgot bangers
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:21, archived)
# Oh yeah, *slaps forehead*
a mate of mine used to bring them back and we would cut them open & make bigger bangers. Oh to be a kid again....
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:24, archived)
# I have worked in a Kiosk selling fags & newspapers
the fags were on shelves behind me. There was no room in that kiosk for anything else. I guess newsagents will have to stand on them now.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:07, archived)
# Or sell them from their overcoats like some comedy dodgy watch-selling geezer.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:09, archived)
# Hooray for acting like a 1950's spiv
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:11, archived)
# *opens overcoat*
Nylons!?


(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:12, archived)
# Yes please
I've resorted to browning my legs with tea slops.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:14, archived)
# A joyous Christmas tale for you all!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:50, archived)
# hahahahahhahahahahaha!
how very festive
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:55, archived)
# It's getting a bit dark even for me
but I'm trying to incorporate Christmas after all
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:56, archived)
# hehehehehe!
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:56, archived)
# i prefered the older popbitch from the really long story arc.
but god these old comic characters were hawt
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:56, archived)
# Hopefully regular Popbitch will be back after these Christmas specials
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:58, archived)
# i shall by some ky in anticipation.
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 11:59, archived)
# very noice...
hows tricks?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:13, archived)
# no' bad
you ok?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:17, archived)
# good mate...
you about next week? porterhouse? or something more low-key?
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:22, archived)
# yeah probably
think low-key is kind of my vibe right now
(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:27, archived)
# ok dude... ill bell you next week and we'll hit the pineapple or something....
off to manc this weekend for the Warehouse Project with Dawn..

If you wanna chat mate just give us a bell..



(, Wed 10 Dec 2008, 12:38, archived)

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